“…When a publicly known communist with a communist history filled with communist people on every side applies for the job of President. Why is it so tough to believe that what you are going to get IS Communism?..”
Mufasa, you’re a good guy man. I’ve known you here since day one and you have always been a positive, productive and pleasant contributor on this site. In other words a good citizen. The kind any site like this will always welcome. (Yes, of course there is a but comin here). BUT, you are deluding yourself with regard to Barack Obama. He is an enemy of this country just as I said in my very first post featuring his name on this site way back in the spring of 08. He IS a communist.
It is simply NOT possible for there to be any more unassailable evidence to that effect. 95% of our national defense, our intelligence community, lotsa dead people, even in a cold war that warmed up at times, AND our nuclear arsenal. ALL have existed to repel and defeat people like him. DO YOU HEAR ME?!?!?!?!?
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
I’ll respond because it’s this type of crap that has me hating ALL sides of our current political system.
If Ayers was his Vice President…and this Frank Marshall Davis guy was his Secretary of State…they COULD not…WOULD not…and would never have the ability to even REMOTELY change the United States into a Communist State.
THOSE are the facts.
Mufasa[/quote]
Why not? I mean, why could it not happen here?
What makes America so special that something awful couldn’t happen, like a complete government takeover, when it has happened throughout history time and time again.
If you expecting the people to stand up, I would imagine you’ll get 50-65% to stand and fight if you are lucky. A good chunk would be like “well are you still going to give me my iPod and Facebook?”
This is why people giving up the right to own powerful firearms is foolish. Government can go from your “friend” to your enemy very. very quickly. All we need is another economic meltdown, or a true pandemic…
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
I’ll respond because it’s this type of crap that has me hating ALL sides of our current political system.
If Ayers was his Vice President…and this Frank Marshall Davis guy was his Secretary of State…they COULD not…WOULD not…and would never have the ability to even REMOTELY change the United States into a Communist State.
THOSE are the facts.
Mufasa[/quote]
Why not? I mean, why could it not happen here?
What makes America so special that something awful couldn’t happen, like a complete government takeover, when it has happened throughout history time and time again.
If you expecting the people to stand up, I would imagine you’ll get 50-65% to stand and fight if you are lucky. A good chunk would be like “well are you still going to give me my iPod and Facebook?”
This is why people giving up the right to own powerful firearms is foolish. Government can go from your “friend” to your enemy very. very quickly. All we need is another economic meltdown, or a true pandemic…[/quote]The point he is missing is that it IS happening. We ARE on the road to communism and HAVE BEEN for a long time. We already ARE “remotely” a communist state. We REALLY have forgotten where we came from. NO country is eternal just because you live there. We ill go down like every other communist state in history. We are collapsing like the soviets and now like Europe. We have surrendered everything that made us special and now we will die like them. We are.
Good luck, guys.
Maybe after the President loses in November to “Not Obama”…he’ll go back to the place of his REAL birth (Kenya) and set up a true Communist State.
I’m done.
Mufasa
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Good luck, guys.
Maybe after the President loses in November to “Not Obama”…he’ll go back to the place of his REAL birth (Kenya) and set up a true Communist State.
I’m done.
Mufasa[/quote]NO NO NO!!! That’s the totally wrong response when cornered with irrefutable evidence. This is the part where you break down and utter those 3 most despised words in the English language. “I was wrong”. Sound em out. Come on now. I’ve had to do it. It’s your turn.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Good luck, guys.
Maybe after the President loses in November to “Not Obama”…he’ll go back to the place of his REAL birth (Kenya) and set up a true Communist State.
I’m done.
Mufasa[/quote]
I have not read all of the responses on this thread but who said he was from Kenya?
And I wouldn’t be so quick to predict his defeat. Keep in mind that there are more people who rely in government assistance than ever before and they all know that Obama is THEIR man!
He may not have turned the economy around but he sure as heck has given free stuff to more people this alone may ensure his reelection.
Quite a guy that Obama!
[quote]Mufasa wrote:“…When a publicly known communist with a communist history filled with communist people on every side applies for the job of President. Why is it so tough to believe that what you are going to get IS Communism?..” [/quote]I’m glad we quoted that before you changed it, but you are of course welcome to revise your thoughts. However it is a little weird that I speak and it echos back as your voice. =] Yes I agree with what I said.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
And I wouldn’t be so quick to predict his defeat. [/quote]
Yeah, I would imagine Romney doesn’t have what it takes to beat an incubent, or however you spell it.
Obama is so far from a communist that it boggles my mind that that could be used as a realistic smear. Is it perhaps the nature of this forum majority views that makes it so prevalent here? If labels are to be assigned, I think a case could be made for a ‘social democrat’ label. Maybe. As for Europe being ‘communist’…hmmm yeah, right. Another chestnut.
Big Business interests are so entrenched in the US political system that any move to ‘communism’ is a no go. Fascism? You would have an easier time selling that. Yes, I know the whole fascism is communism argument too so let’s leave that one by the curb, you’re all intelligent enough to get my drift.
You are not REMOTELY a communist state, Tirib.
Maybe I’ve just forgotten how things get here in an election year LOL
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
Big Business interests are so entrenched in the US political system that any move to ‘communism’ is a no go. [/quote]
One controls a vast majority of the money, the other controls the vast majority of the guns…
They are in bed together, already and only getting worse.
Maybe communism is the wrong word, but in the end, it isn’t want America was supposed to be.
Neither of the dipshits running for office are going to change the above, or the course we are headed on, but at least Romney doesn’t want to give the people with the guns more power.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
Big Business interests are so entrenched in the US political system that any move to ‘communism’ is a no go. [/quote]
One controls a vast majority of the money, the other controls the vast majority of the guns…
They are in bed together, already and only getting worse.
Maybe communism is the wrong word, but in the end, it isn’t want America was supposed to be.
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There is a word for such a system and you know it.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
Big Business interests are so entrenched in the US political system that any move to ‘communism’ is a no go. [/quote]
One controls a vast majority of the money, the other controls the vast majority of the guns…
They are in bed together, already and only getting worse.
Maybe communism is the wrong word, but in the end, it isn’t want America was supposed to be.
Neither of the dipshits running for office are going to change the above, or the course we are headed on, but at least Romney doesn’t want to give the people with the guns more power.
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My name is Neuromancer, and I approve this message.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
And I wouldn’t be so quick to predict his defeat. [/quote]
Yeah, I would imagine Romney doesn’t have what it takes to beat an incubent, or however you spell it.
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It’s not as much a Romney problem as it is a changing demographics problem. Currently there are 43 million people on food stamps. I imagine that most (if not all) of those people would truly love to see Obama reelected. And there are other such groups, unions of all types etc. The democratic party is all about giving people things and then those people, being loyal, vote them back in.
And as I’ve said many, many times (too many for Mufasa no doubt) the media is mostly liberal and they absolutely love Obama, regardless of what he does.
Rest assured that if GW Bush had reigned over an economy this bad over the past four years you would need the jaws of life to pry the media from his neck. Yet, we don’t hear a negative word about Obam from most of the media.
Even so Romney is in a dead heat with the sitting President. Not a bad place to be with most of your war chest left to spend and 98 days to go. But I cannot help think that if Romney takes the lead the media will begin the anti Mormon rhetoric to the point where Joe Public is scared witless. And Obama gets another four years.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:<<< Maybe communism is the wrong word, but in the end, it isn’t want America was supposed to be. >>>[/quote]No communism is the right word for Obama’s history AND his moves in office. I’m taking in terms of gradation, not absolutes. Compared to our roots, we ARE a communist state already. The idea of community wealth and direct handouts by force of law, of one person’s earnings to another was utterly foreign to the men who set this nation in motion. Taxation on this level for that purpose would have given them an anti-constitutional communist coronary arrest, even allowing for the range of views among them.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
And I wouldn’t be so quick to predict his defeat. [/quote]
Yeah, I would imagine Romney doesn’t have what it takes to beat an incubent, or however you spell it.
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It’s not as much a Romney problem as it is a changing demographics problem. Currently there are 43 million people on food stamps. I imagine that most (if not all) of those people would truly love to see Obama reelected. And there are other such groups, unions of all types etc. The democratic party is all about giving people things and then those people, being loyal, vote them back in.
And as I’ve said many, many times (too many for Mufasa no doubt) the media is mostly liberal and they absolutely love Obama, regardless of what he does.
Rest assured that if GW Bush had reigned over an economy this bad over the past four years you would need the jaws of life to pry the media from his neck. Yet, we don’t hear a negative word about Obam from most of the media.
Even so Romney is in a dead heat with the sitting President. Not a bad place to be with most of your war chest left to spend and 98 days to go. But I cannot help think that if Romney takes the lead the media will begin the anti Mormon rhetoric to the point where Joe Public is scared witless. And Obama gets another four years.
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In SA we’re on the same boat as far as the huge numbers of population on welfare/govt grants go, so I see where you’re coming from. THAT is a slippery slope,but per capita relative to your population size it’s still relatively small and I don’t know how motivated that demographic is to go vote when push comes to shove on the day. Do you think Mitt will cut those programs? I’m genuinely curious.
And the more I think about it, yes, if the media fire up the anti Mormon burners , he’s toast. Because let’s face it, there are many on the Republican side for whom that is also a huge issue. It would be a nasty turn of events though.
[quote]ZEB wrote:<<< Even so Romney is in a dead heat with the sitting President. Not a bad place to be with most of your war chest left to spend and 98 days to go. But I cannot help think that if Romney takes the lead the media will begin the anti Mormon rhetoric to the point where Joe Public is scared witless. And Obama gets another four years. [/quote]I knew you got it.
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:<<< THAT is a slippery slope,but per capita relative to your population size it’s still relatively small and I don’t know how motivated that demographic is to go vote when push comes to shove on the day. >>>[/quote]They are not a small number relative to those who actually vote anymore AND as yuo imply. They are voting for other people’s people’s money given directly to them. A very great motivation indeed.[quote]Neuromancer wrote:<<<Do you think Mitt will cut those programs? I’m genuinely curious. >>>[/quote]Not if he wants a second term LOL!!! Sorry to butt in.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:<<< THAT is a slippery slope,but per capita relative to your population size it’s still relatively small and I don’t know how motivated that demographic is to go vote when push comes to shove on the day. >>>[/quote]They are not a small number relative to those who actually vote anymore AND as yuo imply. They are voting for other people’s people’s money given directly to them. A very great motivation indeed.[quote]Neuromancer wrote:<<<Do you think Mitt will cut those programs? I’m genuinely curious. >>>[/quote]Not if he wants a second term LOL!!! Sorry to butt in.
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That’s my opinion too…more of the same.