[quote]pushharder wrote:
Oh good grief, do I always have to use the dumbass smiley face deal 
'round here so super serial folks like you can figure out I have a sense of humor?[/quote]
Yes. Or post this pic.
I have no idea what you’re babbling about here, there’s a reason people stay away from Auckland.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Oh good grief, do I always have to use the dumbass smiley face deal 'round here[/quote]
Have you not noticed how the e was put on the Esteroids forum and making manly man expressions have no room to breathe? It started there and now it is here:
Manly men who speak their minds without fluffing their posts have to either abort their integrity or leave.
And now the fluff is contaminating everyone and we just impute the wrong motives and expect the worst.
What happened to just having a good old back and forth?
What’s with all this hurt and sensitivity on T-Nation lately? Are we bleeding like a woman in her period?
( How does evolution explain that, actually? Because if there is no God then I want to change that.)
I hope this is just that: A period.
I attribute this to a new species found presiding the USA : the evolutionary branch of primates that includes the Fluff Barackobhominids.
[quote]Alpha F wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Oh good grief, do I always have to use the dumbass smiley face deal 'round here[/quote]
Have you not noticed how the e was put on the Esteroids forum and making manly man expressions have no room to breathe? It started there and now it is here:
Manly men who speak their minds without fluffing their posts have to either abort their integrity or leave.
And now the fluff is contaminating everyone and we just impute the wrong motives and expect the worst.
What happened to just having a good old back and forth?
What’s with all this hurt and sensitivity on T-Nation lately? Are we bleeding like a woman in her period?
( How does evolution explain that, actually? Because if there is no God then I want to change that.)
I hope this is just that: A period.
I attribute this to a new species found presiding the USA : the evolutionary branch of primates that includes the Fluff Barackobhominids.
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…i’ll await push’s reply to your admonishment of him with baited breath…
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]Alpha F wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Oh good grief, do I always have to use the dumbass smiley face deal 'round here[/quote]
Have you not noticed how the e was put on the Esteroids forum and making manly man expressions have no room to breathe? It started there and now it is here:
Manly men who speak their minds without fluffing their posts have to either abort their integrity or leave.
And now the fluff is contaminating everyone and we just impute the wrong motives and expect the worst.
What happened to just having a good old back and forth?
What’s with all this hurt and sensitivity on T-Nation lately? Are we bleeding like a woman in her period?
( How does evolution explain that, actually? Because if there is no God then I want to change that.)
I hope this is just that: A period.
I attribute this to a new species found presiding the USA : the evolutionary branch of primates that includes the Fluff Barackobhominids.
[/quote]
…i’ll await push’s reply to your admonishment of him with baited breath…[/quote]
Nicely played…
But I think the hat did not fit him and quite rightly as I was actually taking a subliminal shot at the moderator/traitor who tried to silence Batman Robin.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
You, yourself, stated the omnipotent, omniscient qualities that God would possess if He existed. Well, why would an omnipotent, omniscient being just create a single string of possibilities for his creation? He could have created a universe where absolutely every possibility is contained, based upon (limiting this to humans for now) the choices that each human makes. He can at once see the outcome of every single of the infinite variations and possibilities that could occur, but we, as human, are granted the free will to follow our own path.
This really doesn’t take that much extra thought. You are like the hare who takes a nap midway through the race with the tortoise. Check that. An angry, napping hare.[/quote]
I, again, fail to see how this changes anything.
In an infinite amount of strings of universes, the choices ONE PERSON has made will be predetermined before they are even born.
Regardless of what “choice” you make, God will have known about it before you were even born.
That is still a destiny of sorts, and not free will at all.
In universe X, he will make choice A.
In universe Y, he will make choice B.
In any case, God knows before hand, the choice that person will make in that universe.
A person is not the sum of their alternate selves in alternate universes.
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
You, yourself, stated the omnipotent, omniscient qualities that God would possess if He existed. Well, why would an omnipotent, omniscient being just create a single string of possibilities for his creation? He could have created a universe where absolutely every possibility is contained, based upon (limiting this to humans for now) the choices that each human makes. He can at once see the outcome of every single of the infinite variations and possibilities that could occur, but we, as human, are granted the free will to follow our own path.
This really doesn’t take that much extra thought. You are like the hare who takes a nap midway through the race with the tortoise. Check that. An angry, napping hare.[/quote]
I, again, fail to see how this changes anything.
In an infinite amount of strings of universes, the choices ONE PERSON has made will be predetermined before they are even born.
Regardless of what “choice” you make, God will have known about it before you were even born.
That is still a destiny of sorts, and not free will at all.
In universe X, he will make choice A.
In universe Y, he will make choice B.
In any case, God knows before hand, the choice that person will make in that universe.
A person is not the sum of their alternate selves in alternate universes.
[/quote]
I see what you are saying, and question this myself. I do beleive in freewill because it is my choice eventhough God knows what choices I am going to make before hand. I beleive God has a plan for us, and that plan is to use us to bring forth his ultimate plan for all of us. That plan is to bring us all back to him, and walk with him daily. My opinion though.
My question though is if you beleive God already knows your choices then what is the purpose of life? This is a really big question and probably needs its own thread.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
My question though is if you beleive God already knows your choices then what is the purpose of life? This is a really big question and probably needs its own thread.[/quote]
…imo, there’s no purpose to life. None whatsoever. Life is what you make it…
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
My question though is if you beleive God already knows your choices then what is the purpose of life? This is a really big question and probably needs its own thread.[/quote]
…imo, there’s no purpose to life. None whatsoever. Life is what you make it…[/quote]
Many share your view. I would suggest most of them are miserable. It’s easy to understand why.
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…i’d wager you’re wrong, as usual…
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Many share your view. I would suggest most of them are miserable. It’s easy to understand why.
[/quote]
I would rather take the chance of being miserable (although I’m not) and not believe in something that has zero proof just to make myself feel better. I would be lying to myself if I did that.
[quote]BackInAction wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Many share your view. I would suggest most of them are miserable. It’s easy to understand why.
[/quote]
I would rather take the chance of being miserable (although I’m not) and not believe in something that has zero proof just to make myself feel better. I would be lying to myself if I did that. [/quote]
Why do you say there is zero proof of God? I would say there are millions of of people who themselves are proof. I would also say that the Universe itself is proof. If you want a sign, or God to show himself to you then you will receive it. Maybe not now or while you are living, but one will be given to you. Think about it.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
My question though is if you beleive God already knows your choices then what is the purpose of life? This is a really big question and probably needs its own thread.[/quote]
…imo, there’s no purpose to life. None whatsoever. Life is what you make it…[/quote]
But doesn’t God already know what you are going to make of your life? There is a lot of evidence that King Solomon was a Wise King of Israel and did live. He had everything he ever wanted, but at his end he stated in Ecclesiastes 12
13 Now all has been heard;
here is the conclusion of the matter:
Fear God and keep his commandments,
for this is the whole duty of man.
14 For God will bring every deed into judgment,
including every hidden thing,
whether it is good or evil.
If you want to get the background of this statement there is the rest of Ecclesiastes.
I know some of you guys could care less about the Bible, but Ecclesiastes and Proverbs are a couple of books that give wisdom to those who do not beleive in God equally to the ones that do believe.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]BackInAction wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Many share your view. I would suggest most of them are miserable. It’s easy to understand why.
[/quote]
I would rather take the chance of being miserable (although I’m not) and not believe in something that has zero proof just to make myself feel better. I would be lying to myself if I did that. [/quote]
Why do you say there is zero proof of God? I would say there are millions of of people who themselves are proof. I would also say that the Universe itself is proof. If you want a sign, or God to show himself to you then you will receive it. Maybe not now or while you are living, but one will be given to you. Think about it.[/quote]
I say that because there is zero proof of the Biblical God from my point of view. Millions of people listening to voices in their heads or connecting events that happen to them as a result of prayer are just fooling themselves. This is not proof of the Biblical God. Feelings don’t prove anything either. What if I felt Zeus or Thor in my heart. Does that mean they exist? Most of you would say no, but then how can people use the same logic to prove their god exists?
NOTE: I don’t discount the fact that there COULD be a god/God. But the only thing we have to go off of is the creation of everything around us. However, this does not mean that a god did this. It could be something completely different.
[quote]BackInAction wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]BackInAction wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Many share your view. I would suggest most of them are miserable. It’s easy to understand why.
[/quote]
I would rather take the chance of being miserable (although I’m not) and not believe in something that has zero proof just to make myself feel better. I would be lying to myself if I did that. [/quote]
Why do you say there is zero proof of God? I would say there are millions of of people who themselves are proof. I would also say that the Universe itself is proof. If you want a sign, or God to show himself to you then you will receive it. Maybe not now or while you are living, but one will be given to you. Think about it.[/quote]
I say that because there is zero proof of the Biblical God from my point of view. Millions of people listening to voices in their heads or connecting events that happen to them as a result of prayer are just fooling themselves. This is not proof of the Biblical God. Feelings don’t prove anything either. What if I felt Zeus or Thor in my heart. Does that mean they exist? Most of you would say no, but then how can people use the same logic to prove their god exists?
NOTE: I don’t discount the fact that there COULD be a god/God. But the only thing we have to go off of is the creation of everything around us. However, this does not mean that a god did this. It could be something completely different.[/quote]
At least you are willing to concede that there could be a god/God. Thank you for at least being opened minded.
I personally do not think we are fooling ourselves. Being a Christian you can look back on your life and see God weaving himself through out your life. I dont know your circumstances, but I would say that God is working with you. You may not see it, but you will someday.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]BackInAction wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]BackInAction wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Many share your view. I would suggest most of them are miserable. It’s easy to understand why.
[/quote]
I would rather take the chance of being miserable (although I’m not) and not believe in something that has zero proof just to make myself feel better. I would be lying to myself if I did that. [/quote]
Why do you say there is zero proof of God? I would say there are millions of of people who themselves are proof. I would also say that the Universe itself is proof. If you want a sign, or God to show himself to you then you will receive it. Maybe not now or while you are living, but one will be given to you. Think about it.[/quote]
I say that because there is zero proof of the Biblical God from my point of view. Millions of people listening to voices in their heads or connecting events that happen to them as a result of prayer are just fooling themselves. This is not proof of the Biblical God. Feelings don’t prove anything either. What if I felt Zeus or Thor in my heart. Does that mean they exist? Most of you would say no, but then how can people use the same logic to prove their god exists?
NOTE: I don’t discount the fact that there COULD be a god/God. But the only thing we have to go off of is the creation of everything around us. However, this does not mean that a god did this. It could be something completely different.[/quote]
At least you are willing to concede that there could be a god/God. Thank you for at least being opened minded.
I personally do not think we are fooling ourselves. Being a Christian you can look back on your life and see God weaving himself through out your life. I dont know your circumstances, but I would say that God is working with you. You may not see it, but you will someday.[/quote]
Perhaps 
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
My question though is if you beleive God already knows your choices then what is the purpose of life? This is a really big question and probably needs its own thread.[/quote]
…imo, there’s no purpose to life. None whatsoever. Life is what you make it…[/quote]
But doesn’t God already know what you are going to make of your life? There is a lot of evidence that King Solomon was a Wise King of Israel and did live. He had everything he ever wanted, but at his end he stated in Ecclesiastes 12
13 Now all has been heard;
here is the conclusion of the matter:
Fear God and keep his commandments,
for this is the whole duty of man.
14 For God will bring every deed into judgment,
including every hidden thing,
whether it is good or evil.
If you want to get the background of this statement there is the rest of Ecclesiastes.
I know some of you guys could care less about the Bible, but Ecclesiastes and Proverbs are a couple of books that give wisdom to those who do not beleive in God equally to the ones that do believe.
[/quote]
…how does your post tie-in with mine, exactly? I am responsible for my life, and everything that happens during that life; that means responsability for my actions, and my reactions to events good or bad. I have no need for a bigger, all-encompassing purpose to life. It’s simple as that really…
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]BackInAction wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Many share your view. I would suggest most of them are miserable. It’s easy to understand why.
[/quote]
I would rather take the chance of being miserable (although I’m not) and not believe in something that has zero proof just to make myself feel better. I would be lying to myself if I did that. [/quote]
If you’re ambling through life with this song, “There’s no purpose to life, none whatsoever,” on your lips you are indeed miserable whether you think so or not.[/quote]
Who said I don’t think life has a purpose? Just because I don’t believe in your beliefs, don’t presume I’m a worthless person doing nothing but being miserable.
Extremely rude and arrogant, Push.