Missing Link Between Man and Apes Found

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:

I think you are confusing the fact that God KNOWS the path you will take, with the fact that particular path was intentionally laid out by God for you.[/quote]

I fail to see the difference.
In either case, I am powerless to do anything because that is the path I’m destined to take.
And I thought God has a plan for all of us. Doesn’t he know everything? He knows exactly how I will turn out before I turn out that way. He already knows whether I will go to hell or heaven. I don’t see any free will there. I am just a puppet in a play.

[quote]cueball wrote:
I think you hit on something when you said you don’t understand. no one can fully understand, that’s the point. And no this isn’t the God is all powerful cause the Bible says so. Leaving the word “God” out of it, I think we would both agree that no one can fully understand an omnipotent being. Would you agree? So because you don’t understand, means it’s not likely?

Are you in the fires of hell right now? No. So claiming he has already done so is false. And you have the ability to keep yourself from those flames, if you choose.[/quote]
This “you’re too dumb to understand God” argument is ridiculous. It’s basically irrefutable.

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:“I’m going to create man and woman with original sin. Then I’m going to impregnate a woman with myself as her child, so that I can be born. Once alive, I will kill myself as a sacrifice to myself: to save you all from the sin I originally condemned you to”.

Oh, I was under the impression the Romans killed him. I guess you read a different Bible than I did.[/quote]

He knew he was going to die, didn’t he? Wasn’t this all part of his plan? Call it what you like, he (supposedly) knew exactly what was going to happen. Planning to having someone kill you is akin to killing yourself.
What do you say to the fact that God created us with original sin, only to have him save us from the sin he originally condemned us with?

It astounds me how a train of thought can be so deeply ingrained into someone, that they are rendered completely blind by it.
I know I am preaching to the choir/talking to a wall here, but it fascinates me how people will argue this fairy tale ad-nauseum.
I was raised catholic/christian and through my own “soul searching” came to the conclusion that God and religion are both farces.

Speaking of which:

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So they found something dating back to 675 BC? You do know that the spoken traditions of the Hebrews go back to 2000 BC right? It is Hebrew tradition that Moses wrote the 5 first books of the Hebrew Bible. Moses was prior to 675 BC. The Hebrew Bible may not have been assembled in one book until about 600 BC, but it was written down prior to that. I think you need to find another source.

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[quote]ephrem wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

You two are an old married couple. Have some make up sex on SAMA and get back to the fighting. You two make this place a lot more interesting. [/quote]

Notice how (just like one spouse of an old married couple) he put me on Ignore? And he’s just a young squirt. Can you imagine the hell he’s gonna give his future spouse?[/quote]

…dude, perhaps you’re so old that everybody, no matter their age, is a young squirt compared to you, but the big four O is coming up next year for me, so you might want to reconsider that statement dear…[/quote]

Really?

This is genuinely surprising to me. I don’t know why but I had been assuming for quite a long time now that you were in your early 20’s. I mean nothing insulting or condescending by this whatsoever. For some reason I just ass-u-me-d.

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[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:

I think you are confusing the fact that God KNOWS the path you will take, with the fact that particular path was intentionally laid out by God for you.[/quote]

I fail to see the difference.
In either case, I am powerless to do anything because that is the path I’m destined to take.
And I thought God has a plan for all of us. Doesn’t he know everything? He knows exactly how I will turn out before I turn out that way. He already knows whether I will go to hell or heaven. I don’t see any free will there. I am just a puppet in a play.

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You haven’t thought deeply enough upon this because you came to the conclusion you wanted to and then stopped. There are other possibilities.

You, yourself, stated the omnipotent, omniscient qualities that God would possess if He existed. Well, why would an omnipotent, omniscient being just create a single string of possibilities for his creation? He could have created a universe where absolutely every possibility is contained, based upon (limiting this to humans for now) the choices that each human makes. He can at once see the outcome of every single of the infinite variations and possibilities that could occur, but we, as human, are granted the free will to follow our own path.

This really doesn’t take that much extra thought. You are like the hare who takes a nap midway through the race with the tortoise. Check that. An angry, napping hare.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

Really?

This is genuinely surprising to me. I don’t know why but I had been assuming for quite a long time now that you were in your early 20’s. I mean nothing insulting or condescending by this whatsoever. For some reason I just ass-u-me-d.
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I too was under the distinct impression he was in his 20s.[/quote]

That is three of us.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

He could have created a universe where absolutely every possibility is contained, based upon (limiting this to humans for now) the choices that each human makes. He can at once see the outcome of every single of the infinite variations and possibilities that could occur,[/quote]

This is an awe inspiring thought.

I haven’t quite thought of it this way before.

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facepalm

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:
facepalm[/quote]

Otherwise known as “bashing his head against a brick wall.”[/quote]

…you know me so well, it’s almost like we share a connection, or something…

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Alpha F wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

He could have created a universe where absolutely every possibility is contained, based upon (limiting this to humans for now) the choices that each human makes. He can at once see the outcome of every single of the infinite variations and possibilities that could occur,[/quote]

This is an awe inspiring thought.

I haven’t quite thought of it this way before.
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When you consider that God stands outside of time, is not constrained by it, and actually controls it, scenarios like this one become more plausible.

In fact, it makes sense that He sees EVERYTHING happening at the same time. All of history from the first day of creation through the infinite stretches of the future are available to Him instantly.

I think where many people make their mistakes in trying to understand Him, and it is understandable to a certain degree, is to predispose themselves to existentially framing God within their own experience, a type of anthropomorphism if you will. When one gets chained to this mindset and essentially insists that the Creator define and limit Himself as the created wishes…the created ends up repeatedly bashing his head against a brick wall. Then, sporting his bleeding forehead and feeling a whole lot of pain, he shakes his angry little fist at God and blames Him.[/quote]

When you consider time (time separate from space that is) is a human construct, the universe always having existed makes a lot more sense. What you want to argue is that the universe couldn’t possibly exist without a creator, yet God somehow can.

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

Really?

This is genuinely surprising to me. I don’t know why but I had been assuming for quite a long time now that you were in your early 20’s. I mean nothing insulting or condescending by this whatsoever. For some reason I just ass-u-me-d.
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I too was under the distinct impression he was in his 20s.[/quote]

That is three of us.
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Am I the only one to have seen his previous posts concerning his age?

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[quote]ephrem wrote:
facepalm[/quote]

Whether or not you believe in this stuff, the argument itself was in response to an if/then scenario about God. I was merely pointing out damning (haha) factors Angry Rabbit had missed.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Alpha F wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

Really?

This is genuinely surprising to me. I don’t know why but I had been assuming for quite a long time now that you were in your early 20’s. I mean nothing insulting or condescending by this whatsoever. For some reason I just ass-u-me-d.
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I too was under the distinct impression he was in his 20s.[/quote]

That is three of us.
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Am I the only one to have seen his previous posts concerning his age?[/quote]

[cheap shot]…i guess it’s easier to ignore facts, in order to maintain a preconception, than to face them…[/cheap shot]

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[quote]ephrem wrote:

[cheap shot]…i guess it’s easier to ignore facts, in order to maintain a preconception, than to face them…[/cheap shot]
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[ Shotgun ]…No, it is when one consistently behaves like an overgrown 12 year old one’s actions speak louder then words. [/Shotgun ]

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Ouch.

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:

[cheap shot]…i guess it’s easier to ignore facts, in order to maintain a preconception, than to face them…[/cheap shot]
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[ Shotgun ]…No, it is when one consistently behaves like an overgrown 12 year old one’s actions speak louder then words. [/Shotgun ]

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Ha!

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[quote]ephrem wrote:

[quote]Alpha F wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:

[cheap shot]…i guess it’s easier to ignore facts, in order to maintain a preconception, than to face them…[/cheap shot]
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[ Shotgun ]…No, it is when one consistently behaves like an overgrown 12 year old one’s actions speak louder then words. [/Shotgun ]

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Ha!
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You went low I went lower.

:smiley:

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Alpha F wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:

[cheap shot]…i guess it’s easier to ignore facts, in order to maintain a preconception, than to face them…[/cheap shot]
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[ Shotgun ]…No, it is when one consistently behaves like an overgrown 12 year old one’s actions speak louder then words. [/Shotgun ]

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I can just see Eph fumbling around for the Ignore arrow in his quiver…uh oh…now he’s notching it…
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Are you still butt hurt over that?