Misconceptions of Christianity 2

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]katzenjammer wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:
<<< he sees himself in the mirror everyday without hair? >>>
[/quote]Damn, it was what I thought, but therein lies the key. He CANNOT see that hair because it is in a world that he is dead to despite the fact that it is on his own head every second of every day. Once made alive to the “kingdom of hair” THERE IT IS!!! And on top of that there is everyone else’s too!!! And an entire breathtaking reality to go long with it.
Ephesians 2:1-10

[quote]1-And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2-in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3-Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.

4-But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5-even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6-and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7-so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

8-For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9-not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10-For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them. [/quote][/quote]

Got to say, Tirib, you certainly seem to know your Bible… <That’s a compliment>[/quote]

X2[/quote]

Second time in 24 hours that you endorsed one of my posts…

Wanna go steady? :-)[/quote]

What do you say we just skip that part and just get married straight away?

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…you’ve seen this, haven’t you? The “OMG, it’s a double rainbow, what does it mean?” video. It’s a double rainbow, and there’s a simple explanation for its existence yet this guy, for whatever reason, thinks the spirits of the universe talked to him [on Kimmel]:

…a rational human being would see those rainbows and enjoy it probably for its beauty, as i do whenever i see a bright full rainbow, but would not attach meaning to the rainbow like this guy did. I know both sides think they’re talking to a brick wall, but here we have a fitting analogy where reason is defeated by irrationality based on emotion, and perhaps a lack of common knowledge, like this lady who thinks there’s something in the water supply that causes rainbows to appear in her sprinkler:

“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away.”

Philip K. Dick, 1978

…gravity affects us all; this is reality. Your beliefs only affect you; this is delusion. This difference is clear…

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God created gravity

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…“god did it”. That answers everything, but explains nothing: Entropic gravity - Wikipedia

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

Ahh yes.

Rationality is the one, the true, the ONLY way to know truth.

All hail rationality!

The fact that Tirib – clearly a very intelligent and life-experienced man – knows something in his heart, soul and his very BONES means nothing, because we can’t ALL feel it.

It couldn’t possibly be that he’s in touch with something that most others are blind to, now could it?

Nah, that’s silly…[/quote]

…it means nothing to me. I wouldn’t actively seek out believers and try to convert them to atheism, unlike prosyletising believers trying to convert people to their religion. That’s the difference, and it’s a huge one. I don’t care what you believe as long as it does not impact on my life in any way. Sadly that isn’t the case. The proliferation of religion has an impact on so many people who do not care for it one bit. Keep your religion to yourself, i’m not interested in your [- the general you] delusions…

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[quote]ephrem wrote:

…“god did it”. That answers everything, but explains nothing: //secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Gravity_as_an_entropic_force[/quote]
It would be really helpful to you (maybe) if you would just break down and realize that you will not show me and probably a few other guys around here anything new. Yes, God did it, which answers AND explains everything. To you God might have done it if only He could be squeezed between your ears, which He cannot be. So in the meantime until He bows to your sinful probing you can be happy with ultimately neither answers nor explanations for anything while linking to wikimedia articles that restate for the 1000th time the same basic argument.

This doesn’t make you stupid (I know better) or particularly bad in any way. It just further demonstrates to the regenerate mind the self evident truth of the plan and presence of God in all things. Once again. He makes even the scorn of His enemies to praise Him.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:

…“god did it”. That answers everything, but explains nothing: //secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Gravity_as_an_entropic_force[/quote]
It would be really helpful to you (maybe) if you would just break down and realize that you will not show me and probably a few other guys around here anything new. Yes, God did it, which answers AND explains everything. To you God might have done it if only He could be squeezed between your ears, which He cannot be. So in the meantime until He bows to your sinful probing you can be happy with ultimately neither answers nor explanations for anything while linking to wikimedia articles that restate for the 1000th time the same basic argument.

This doesn’t make you stupid (I know better) or particularly bad in any way. It just further demonstrates to the regenerate mind the self evident truth of the plan and presence of God in all things. Once again. He makes even the scorn of His enemies to praise Him.[/quote]

…explain god to me…

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]katzenjammer wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]katzenjammer wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:
<<< he sees himself in the mirror everyday without hair? >>>
[/quote]Damn, it was what I thought, but therein lies the key. He CANNOT see that hair because it is in a world that he is dead to despite the fact that it is on his own head every second of every day. Once made alive to the “kingdom of hair” THERE IT IS!!! And on top of that there is everyone else’s too!!! And an entire breathtaking reality to go long with it.
Ephesians 2:1-10

[quote]1-And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2-in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3-Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.

4-But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5-even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6-and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7-so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

8-For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9-not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10-For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them. [/quote][/quote]

Got to say, Tirib, you certainly seem to know your Bible… <That’s a compliment>[/quote]

X2[/quote]

Second time in 24 hours that you endorsed one of my posts…

Wanna go steady? :-)[/quote]

What do you say we just skip that part and just get married straight away?[/quote]

You Christians and your damned morals…

Do we HAVE to get married? Can’t we just enjoy each other and have some fun?[/quote]

Yes.

I know your type. Promise a girl a little fun; and where am I the next morning?

Besides, when you think about it: where’s the adventure, fun & romance - not to mention unbridled passion in bed - unless it’s irrevocable & for keeps? :wink:

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[quote]katzenjammer wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:
You Christians and your damned morals…

Do we HAVE to get married? Can’t we just enjoy each other and have some fun?[/quote]

Yes.

I know your type. Promise a girl a little fun; and where am I the next morning?

Besides, when you think about it: where’s the adventure, fun & romance - not to mention unbridled passion in bed - unless it’s irrevocable & for keeps? :wink:
[/quote]
Alright you guys are scarin me now. Ya need a chaperone or what?

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[quote]ephrem wrote:
<<< …explain god to me…
[/quote]
I will do further what I can, which will most probably not be what you want, but in what way and why? What do you want to know and why do you care?

Lemme guess. It’s because you find weirdos like me (us), who can appear to be pretty sharp on one hand, but unhinged lobotomized dupes on the other so interesting that your quest for human understanding just keeps you coming back for more. Maybe the best guinea pig you’ve had yet and always at the ready? You read or watch something that tells you people like me should say X, Y or Z in response to A, B or C so you drop in and see if the prediction holds up which it either does or is close enough to leave you smiling and shaking your head, wondering if what it would take to release someone from so thorough a case of self induced delusion.

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[quote]ephrem wrote:

…you’ve seen this, haven’t you? The “OMG, it’s a double rainbow, what does it mean?” video. It’s a double rainbow, and there’s a simple explanation for its existence yet this guy, for whatever reason, thinks the spirits of the universe talked to him [on Kimmel]:

…a rational human being would see those rainbows and enjoy it probably for its beauty, as i do whenever i see a bright full rainbow, but would not attach meaning to the rainbow like this guy did. I know both sides think they’re talking to a brick wall, but here we have a fitting analogy where reason is defeated by irrationality based on emotion, and perhaps a lack of common knowledge, like this lady who thinks there’s something in the water supply that causes rainbows to appear in her sprinkler:

“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away.”

Philip K. Dick, 1978

…gravity affects us all; this is reality. Your beliefs only affect you; this is delusion. This difference is clear…[/quote]

That’s why we have ways of discerning things, so that emotion is factored in for what it is…emotion. And that we do not make decisions on emotion, because that usually leads lack of temperance.

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Hi this is a question for any knowledgeable Christian
Christians believe that God took human form as Jesus Christ and that God is present today through the work of the Holy Spirit and evident in the actions of believers, so when Jesus died and was resurrected, who looked after the universe in the period in between?

This question is not meant to offend anyone, i truly want to know the answer.

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[quote]weby wrote:
Hi this is a question for any knowledgeable Christian
Christians believe that God took human form as Jesus Christ and that God is present today through the work of the Holy Spirit and evident in the actions of believers, so when Jesus died and was resurrected, who looked after the universe in the period in between?

This question is not meant to offend anyone, i truly want to know the answer.[/quote]
There is a deep divine mystery here (our unbelieving friends won’t be shocked to hear that), but the best at least I could explain as I understand the bible on this would be:

God the Son died AS A MAN. God cannot and did not die in the divine nature. The Father and the Spirit were not incarnated in the ministry of Christ anyway yet all three are persons in the one Godhead. “Neither confounding the persons nor dividing the substance”.

So the short answer to your question is God did.

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[quote]weby wrote:
Hi this is a question for any knowledgeable Christian
Christians believe that God took human form as Jesus Christ and that God is present today through the work of the Holy Spirit and evident in the actions of believers, so when Jesus died and was resurrected, who looked after the universe in the period in between?

This question is not meant to offend anyone, i truly want to know the answer.[/quote]

G-d and the Holy Ghost, only the G-d-Man left for three days. The other two never left our presence.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:
<<< …explain god to me…
[/quote]
I will do further what I can, which will most probably not be what you want, but in what way and why? What do you want to know and why do you care?

Lemme guess. It’s because you find weirdos like me (us), who can appear to be pretty sharp on one hand, but unhinged lobotomized dupes on the other so interesting that your quest for human understanding just keeps you coming back for more. Maybe the best guinea pig you’ve had yet and always at the ready? You read or watch something that tells you people like me should say X, Y or Z in response to A, B or C so you drop in and see if the prediction holds up which it either does or is close enough to leave you smiling and shaking your head, wondering if what it would take to release someone from so thorough a case of self induced delusion.[/quote]

…i ask because god is, by definition, undefineable and therefore unknowable. What we may know of him through the written word is always a mere approximation of his true splendor and mystery. That is why saying, “god did it” is an answer to everything, but explains nothing…

…i keep coming back to pookies remark, “why explain the mystery of life with an even bigger mystery?” Why indeed?

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:

…you’ve seen this, haven’t you? The “OMG, it’s a double rainbow, what does it mean?” video. It’s a double rainbow, and there’s a simple explanation for its existence yet this guy, for whatever reason, thinks the spirits of the universe talked to him [on Kimmel]:

…a rational human being would see those rainbows and enjoy it probably for its beauty, as i do whenever i see a bright full rainbow, but would not attach meaning to the rainbow like this guy did. I know both sides think they’re talking to a brick wall, but here we have a fitting analogy where reason is defeated by irrationality based on emotion, and perhaps a lack of common knowledge, like this lady who thinks there’s something in the water supply that causes rainbows to appear in her sprinkler:

“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away.”

Philip K. Dick, 1978

…gravity affects us all; this is reality. Your beliefs only affect you; this is delusion. This difference is clear…[/quote]

That’s why we have ways of discerning things, so that emotion is factored in for what it is…emotion. And that we do not make decisions on emotion, because that usually leads lack of temperance.[/quote]

…well okay. I will take the position that religous beliefs fuel, and are firmly based on/in, emotion. Take emotion out of the religious equation and you’re left with very little. I’m not saying that’s the case with you, but look at pentacostals and evangelists; they can only thrive because it relies on emotion for impact. Emotion is a vital component of the religious experience…

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[quote]ephrem wrote:

…“god did it”. That answers everything, but explains nothing: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Gravity_as_an_entropic_force[/quote]

You’re trying to use logic with people who believe in a being that operates outside of logic. It’s imposible.

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[quote]ephrem wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:

…you’ve seen this, haven’t you? The “OMG, it’s a double rainbow, what does it mean?” video. It’s a double rainbow, and there’s a simple explanation for its existence yet this guy, for whatever reason, thinks the spirits of the universe talked to him [on Kimmel]:

…a rational human being would see those rainbows and enjoy it probably for its beauty, as i do whenever i see a bright full rainbow, but would not attach meaning to the rainbow like this guy did. I know both sides think they’re talking to a brick wall, but here we have a fitting analogy where reason is defeated by irrationality based on emotion, and perhaps a lack of common knowledge, like this lady who thinks there’s something in the water supply that causes rainbows to appear in her sprinkler:

“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away.”

Philip K. Dick, 1978

…gravity affects us all; this is reality. Your beliefs only affect you; this is delusion. This difference is clear…[/quote]

That’s why we have ways of discerning things, so that emotion is factored in for what it is…emotion. And that we do not make decisions on emotion, because that usually leads lack of temperance.[/quote]

…well okay. I will take the position that religous beliefs fuel, and are firmly based on/in, emotion. Take emotion out of the religious equation and you’re left with very little. I’m not saying that’s the case with you, but look at pentacostals and evangelists; they can only thrive because it relies on emotion for impact. Emotion is a vital component of the religious experience…
[/quote]

I understand what you are getting at, if you are talking about those Christian denominations that are of those names. Yes, that makes sense where you would get that idea. However, that is not my religion and I am not sure how you would go ahead an make an apologetic argument for it since I do not believe that is the correct way to do things.

However, when I say we have ways of discerning, I mean we actually have set practices for discernment. Check out: http://www.ccr.org.au/discern.html - based on S. Ignatius’ Discernment.