[quote]NickViar wrote:
I hate seeing the failures of our many rulers blamed on capitalism/freedom/whatever else they teach us in school that we are.[/quote]
I concur!
It’s not the sword; it’s the hand that wields it.
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
The United States is absolutely not a capitalist country.[/quote]
I would say it’s the very definition of capitalism, exactly what one would expect at this point in it’s development.
What type of economic system would you say we have?
FTR…I’m fifty; I suspect what I was taught is a bit different than what is taught today.
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I have to say you both are right , America’s economic system are both Capitalism and Crony Capitalism .
I am not sure but I think Nic thinks capitalism should be a form of Government and not just a form of economics
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
lets start with (A) The Government creates jobs that save the tax payer money or at least that should be the intent . Now if the Government is not doing a good job saving the tax payer money , (THAT IS THE POINT THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED )
Remember page 23 so we can go back to each point [/quote]
That’s not possible, unless it makes the majority servants of the wealthy few.
If you and I were at a silent auction bidding on a sweet bong, and you told me I could have as much of your money as I needed to outbid you, would you expect to win?[/quote]
What is not possible .
And I don’t understand your bong bidding theory ?
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It is not possible for the government to save the taxpayer money.
The government competes against private business in the same way I compete against you in the auction. It can take money from private business and citizens in order to force private business and citizens to raise their prices to a point at which they are no longer desired. Government can then step in and do whatever private business and citizens were doing, and claim private business and citizens were unable to do whatever it is they were doing. Predatory pricing, monopolies, etc. can only work or occur for the state-the business that subsidizes itself by robbery.
The point was: You wouldn’t expect to outbid me if I could bid against you with your own money, would you? You also wouldn’t expect the bong to cost its market value, would you? If I brought no money with me, and you brought $150, then you should win the bong with a $1 bid, right? Sorry, I will win it with a $76 bid. So, as you can see, you will not only walk out of the auction $76 poorer, but the bong will also have been sold for $75 over its market value.
Of course, you now have a bong-producer who has $75 more than he would otherwise have had. When he bids on a pair of shoes against a bong-maker whose superior bong sold to you for $5, because you bid on it against a man who brought only $4, and you had already learned your lesson about letting another use your money to bid, who do you think will win? Would the damage done by your giving be best controlled by you attempting to make more and more bidding wars fair, or by you learning your lesson and letting each man bid with his own money? [/quote]
If you have stated your opinion of this IDEAL of an economy give me one example of where this IDEAL is thriving ?
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
If you have stated your opinion of this IDEAL of an economy give me one example of where this IDEAL is thriving ?
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Your question is the equivalent of asking me to give an example of a country where freedom is thriving.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
If you have stated your opinion of this IDEAL of an economy give me one example of where this IDEAL is thriving ?
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Your question is the equivalent of asking me to give an example of a country where freedom is thriving.[/quote]
It is a relevant question , There is no country that runs on a strict capitalistic system that does not have major poverty and crime . It is anarchy and the wealthy rule
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I have to say you both are right , America’s economic system are both Capitalism and Crony Capitalism . [/quote]
-They can’t exist together.
-Capitalism is THE form of governance. I just want everyone to recognize that and take from the minority the ability to use force to better itself.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
If you have stated your opinion of this IDEAL of an economy give me one example of where this IDEAL is thriving ?
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Your question is the equivalent of asking me to give an example of a country where freedom is thriving.[/quote]
It is a relevant question , There is no country that runs on a strict capitalistic system that does not have major poverty and crime . It is anarchy and the wealthy rule
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There is no capitalist country. To reject capitalism on that fact is the same as rejecting freedom because there is no free country.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I have to say you both are right , America’s economic system are both Capitalism and Crony Capitalism . [/quote]
-They can’t exist together.
-Capitalism is THE form of governance. I just want everyone to recognize that and take from the minority the ability to use force to better itself.[/quote]
Capitalism is a form of economy
And America is an example that both Crony and Regular Capitalism do exist together
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Capitalism is a form of economy
And America is an example that both Crony and Regular Capitalism do exist together
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Exchange for profit is what governs all human interaction.
America is an example of private ownership and government control of risk. The government of this country risks nothing when it passes its laws, but it does control the way those responsible for those risks operate.
We are a socialist country.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Capitalism is a form of economy
And America is an example that both Crony and Regular Capitalism do exist together
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Exchange for profit is what governs all human interaction.
America is an example of private ownership and government control of risk. The government of this country risks nothing when it passes its laws, but it does control the way those responsible for those risks operate.
We are a socialist country.[/quote]
to a degree you are right but your speak of absolutes are where you are wrong . America is less Socialist than when I grew up .
America mitigating it’s risk could possibly be only temporary
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
America is less Socialist than when I grew up .
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Care to elaborate on this point?
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
America is less Socialist than when I grew up .
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Care to elaborate on this point?
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Unions
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
America is less Socialist than when I grew up .
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Care to elaborate on this point?
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Unions
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Civil or labor? What about them?
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
America is less Socialist than when I grew up .
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Care to elaborate on this point?
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Unions
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Civil or labor? What about them?
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Labor Unions are what Carl Marx was speaking about
I guess I will be a bit of a troll and post an obviously bias post 
But it is a good one
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I guess I will be a bit of a troll and post an obviously bias post But it is a good one
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I guess I will be a bit of a troll and post an obviously bias post But it is a good one
http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/01/patrick-j-buchanan/crisis-or-scam/[/quote]
Funny shit a graduated tax system that works exactly opposite as it’s supposed to .
And my favorite 93% of poor people have microwaves , holy fucking shit. The audacity of those poor fucks
A family of four probably are living in poverty at $44,000
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Funny shit a graduated tax system that works exactly opposite as it’s supposed to .
And my favorite 93% of poor people have microwaves , holy fucking shit. The audacity of those poor fucks
A family of four probably are living in poverty at $44,000
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What solution to inequality do you suggest?
How can quality of life be enhanced for the greatest number of people, while equality is also ensured?
I may just be an ignorant fool, but I can’t see any way for those two to occur together.
Let’s say we make the minimum wage $25,000/year, and then make the maximum wage $250,000/year. Let’s assume that a cashier at Kroger makes the $25,000/year figure. Now let’s assume that those making $250,000/year are 10x as productive and valuable to society as that cashier. That would seem to be a fair way to determine wages, right? How do we determine the productive value of a person in this new world? How do we ensure that the cashier is 1/10 as productive as Bill Gates?
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I guess I will be a bit of a troll and post an obviously bias post But it is a good one
http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/01/patrick-j-buchanan/crisis-or-scam/[/quote]
A family of four probably are living in poverty at $44,000
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Then they shouldn’t have had kids they can’t pay for. To me it is very simple. If you can’t afford kids without government assistance - don’t have them. Personal responsibility.