Minimal Test Cycle

Ok, so first off I won’t be doing said cycle for a minimum of 6 months…I’m off gear for a while. Giving my body a healthy break.

That being said, when I do go on cycle again, I would like to do something with the minimal amount of test needed to keep healthy levels in the body.

Every previous cycle I have run has had test in it, and they all bloated me, gave me high bp, badddd back acne, and made me feel sluggish eventually.

Yes I’ve tried every AI, serm, etc. Keep my diet in check, lower soidum, tons of water, etc.

I am going to try out another route.

Something along the lines of

Week 1-16: test e 200 mg/week
Week 1-16: EQ 600-800 mg/week
Week 1-4: Drol 50mg/day

Any thoughts? Critiques? Alternatives?

Would deca be better than EQ? Does Deca cause less bloat and sides when its not accompanied by high test?

low sodium could have been the cause of your sluggishness but whatever…

trt doses are about 100mg/week of test E/C

drol and EQ will not be good for keeping your BP low lol… those are the two steroids that cause your body to produce the most blood…

deca would be better than EQ for many reasons yes

you may want to look into an ace inhibitor…something like lisinopril

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
low sodium could have been the cause of your sluggishness but whatever…

trt doses are about 100mg/week of test E/C

drol and EQ will not be good for keeping your BP low lol… those are the two steroids that cause your body to produce the most blood…

deca would be better than EQ for many reasons yes

you may want to look into an ace inhibitor…something like lisinopril [/quote]

Yea I get what you’re saying about the EQ and blood count. I figured just the short kick start of Drol would be ok though…plus I would just really like to try it lol.

So if I just ran a trt dose of test and like…
600mg deca, would the bloat be much more managable than if I ran higher test with it?..or will deca just bloat period

bloat really depends on diet and estrogen control…

Welcome back bro.

Did you ever catch these articles. Thought you might appreciate the GW501516 one:

http://m.phillyburbs.com/my_town/bensalem/pair-facing-identity-theft-conspiracy-charges/article_8625cb14-aa47-5369-9627-216e63307c41.html

[quote]conservativedog wrote:
Welcome back bro.

Did you ever catch these articles. Thought you might appreciate the GW501516 one:

http://m.phillyburbs.com/my_town/bensalem/pair-facing-identity-theft-conspiracy-charges/article_8625cb14-aa47-5369-9627-216e63307c41.html

[/quote]

What’s up man??

Yea I was all too excited about GW…then I tried it and had the worst headaches of my life within days lol. Bummer

And that other article is nuts!

Welcome back, Ironman.

If you’re gonna use EQ I’d suggest 800mg/wk and frontloading it. The test dose however, is still pretty low and I’m not sure you’ll get the results you’re expecting with it being in the TRT range.

Deca is always a good alternative and many people swear its 10x more potent than EQ but with Deca you’re dealing with 19-nor and all of the associated fun side effects that come with it.

PS: If you’re already thinking about this cycle 6 months ahead of time, I say you’ll be pinning by the end of September :slight_smile:

Is there really any difference to frontload EQ, take first week 1200 mg and next 11 weeks 600 mg, or take all twelve weeks 600 mg ?
This question applies to other steroids also. I’m really interested in this.

[quote]lbraga wrote:
Welcome back, Ironman.

If you’re gonna use EQ I’d suggest 800mg/wk and frontloading it. The test dose however, is still pretty low and I’m not sure you’ll get the results you’re expecting with it being in the TRT range.

Deca is always a good alternative and many people swear its 10x more potent than EQ but with Deca you’re dealing with 19-nor and all of the associated fun side effects that come with it.[/quote]

What’s up man.

Yea I was just thinking of doing the EQ annnd deca together lol. Like 600 and 600, with 200 mg test. I’ll take prami for progesterin sides I guess.

And I know…you are all too correct about pinning early lol :wink:

[quote]gigomoravac wrote:
Is there really any difference to frontload EQ, take first week 1200 mg and next 11 weeks 600 mg, or take all twelve weeks 600 mg ?
This question applies to other steroids also. I’m really interested in this.

[/quote]

Frontloading just gets whatever drug you are using AR peak blood levels quicker.

[quote]gigomoravac wrote:
Is there really any difference to frontload EQ, take first week 1200 mg and next 11 weeks 600 mg, or take all twelve weeks 600 mg ?
This question applies to other steroids also. I’m really interested in this.

[/quote]

Frontloading just gets whatever drug you are using at peak blood levels quicker.

[quote]ironmanzvw wrote:

[quote]lbraga wrote:
Welcome back, Ironman.

If you’re gonna use EQ I’d suggest 800mg/wk and frontloading it. The test dose however, is still pretty low and I’m not sure you’ll get the results you’re expecting with it being in the TRT range.

Deca is always a good alternative and many people swear its 10x more potent than EQ but with Deca you’re dealing with 19-nor and all of the associated fun side effects that come with it.[/quote]

What’s up man.

Yea I was just thinking of doing the EQ annnd deca together lol. Like 600 and 600, with 200 mg test. I’ll take prami for progesterin sides I guess.

And I know…you are all too correct about pinning early lol ;-)[/quote]

Hope prami treats you better than it did me

[quote]BUDs wrote:

[quote]ironmanzvw wrote:

[quote]lbraga wrote:
Welcome back, Ironman.

If you’re gonna use EQ I’d suggest 800mg/wk and frontloading it. The test dose however, is still pretty low and I’m not sure you’ll get the results you’re expecting with it being in the TRT range.

Deca is always a good alternative and many people swear its 10x more potent than EQ but with Deca you’re dealing with 19-nor and all of the associated fun side effects that come with it.[/quote]

What’s up man.

Yea I was just thinking of doing the EQ annnd deca together lol. Like 600 and 600, with 200 mg test. I’ll take prami for progesterin sides I guess.

And I know…you are all too correct about pinning early lol ;-)[/quote]

Hope prami treats you better than it did me[/quote]

Don’t just say some dark, ominous shit like that man lol. Details

Haha my bad

Well from the majority of things I read about prami was to take it at night because it tends to make people very sleepy. Well it made me sleepy but the thing is when I would take it at night I’d sleep for about an hour then wake up and wouldn’t be able to fall back asleep if my life depended on it, I would toss and turn all night till I had to be up for work, which by then I was exhausted all day at work because I didn’t sleep. I even tried all sorts of sleeping aids. It would help but just a little, still woke up repeadly throughout the night and if was never a deep restful sleep.

Then i decided to dose it when I got up for work. I would wake up take it and in about 30 min I would be extremely tired, couldn’t focus and all I wanted to do was take a nap but couldn’t so I found myself drinking the shit out of coffee and energy drinks which only help a little. On the weekends I was able to nap after taking it which I did but the wierd thing is that even with a nap I would be wiped out all day, sleeping the majority of the day. Usually by mid afternoon I was better but it was drag, either be tired all day till mid afternoon or be awake the whole night.

So what I found myself doing was waking up around 2am, about 2 hours before I had to be up for work and take the prami. That way I was able to sleep off the initial groggy feeling and still sleep before the insomnia kicked in. I actually ended the tren 2 weeks early because I couldn’t take the prami anymore. It definitely works and it works for a lot on people but my next time I’m gonna try caber.
Or maybe just run ace from now on.

[quote]BUDs wrote:
Haha my bad

Well from the majority of things I read about prami was to take it at night because it tends to make people very sleepy. Well it made me sleepy but the thing is when I would take it at night I’d sleep for about an hour then wake up and wouldn’t be able to fall back asleep if my life depended on it, I would toss and turn all night till I had to be up for work, which by then I was exhausted all day at work because I didn’t sleep. I even tried all sorts of sleeping aids. It would help but just a little, still woke up repeadly throughout the night and if was never a deep restful sleep.

Then i decided to dose it when I got up for work. I would wake up take it and in about 30 min I would be extremely tired, couldn’t focus and all I wanted to do was take a nap but couldn’t so I found myself drinking the shit out of coffee and energy drinks which only help a little. On the weekends I was able to nap after taking it which I did but the wierd thing is that even with a nap I would be wiped out all day, sleeping the majority of the day. Usually by mid afternoon I was better but it was drag, either be tired all day till mid afternoon or be awake the whole night.

So what I found myself doing was waking up around 2am, about 2 hours before I had to be up for work and take the prami. That way I was able to sleep off the initial groggy feeling and still sleep before the insomnia kicked in. I actually ended the tren 2 weeks early because I couldn’t take the prami anymore. It definitely works and it works for a lot on people but my next time I’m gonna try caber.
Or maybe just run ace from now on.[/quote]

Yea that doesn’t sound like whole lot of fun lol…

I’ll just run caber and some b6 I suppose.

Thanks for the info man, saved me some potential trouble.

So I’m having a hard time finding caber, none of my sources seem to think its necessary to carry lol…

I guess I’m going to just have to go the research chemical route…ugh.

Anybody had any luck with that?

Isn’t caber unstable in liquid form?

[quote]BUDs wrote:
Isn’t caber unstable in liquid form?[/quote]

Is it lol? I don’t know…that’s why I’m asking if anyone has ran it as a research chem

[quote]ironmanzvw wrote:

[quote]BUDs wrote:
Isn’t caber unstable in liquid form?[/quote]

Is it lol? I don’t know…that’s why I’m asking if anyone has ran it as a research chem[/quote]

you used to be able to get it in capsules from a research company that got busted recently. I’m sure you probably know the one I’m talking about.

I actually bought some from there before he got busted, and it was just cialis. Bastard. Caber is not stable in liquid form which is why I ordered from there and not from one of the places where they have it as a liquid.

Try and get the real deal if you can. I got burned pretty badly by research chems and will never go down that route again (although SERMs have always been legit). Online pharmacies are your friend.

High prolactin sucks the big one, although you may not be as sensitive to it as I am.