Military Analysis of War w/ Iran

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[quote]hedo wrote:
You have a lot of problems. Your in denial over most topics you discuss. Why didn’t you attend school in the middle east or Africa? Think you’ll find work in your field in either of those places? Sounds like a lot of problems already and you haven’t even embarked on the journey thru adulthood.[/quote]

I don’t see how my job perspectives are anywhere related to the subject at hand but I’ll bite;

You have absolutely no idea what I’m studying and even less about my career aspirations. I went to school in Morocco, got a Master’s degree there, had a comfortable job (+35,000$) but decided to go ahead and perfect my education.

What I’m doing now (Organic electronics) is rather bleeding-edge and is inexistent in even so-called industrialized countries. Sweden happens to be the world leader in the industry and that’s the reason of my presence here.

Now, since you ask why I didn’t attend school in the Middle-East, it got me thinking that you’d have trouble locating the countries we’re discussing on a map. Keep in mind that my mom is French, lives in France and I had the option of working or studying there. I didn’t because I figured that I won’t be learning anything new in cultural or linguistical terms.

I’m single, healthy and better educated than most to say the least. To quote Timbuk-3: “The future’s so bright, I gotta wear shades”

I don’t see any argumentation in your posts.

I don’t care whether you care or not. I’m just pointing out that whatever your rascal of a president told you after 9/11 is absolute rubbish.

Excerpt from Bush’s 21/11/01 speech:
“Americans are asking “Why do they hate us?”
They hate what they see right here in this chamber: a democratically elected government. Their leaders are self-appointed. They hate our freedoms: our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other.”

Even hard-line republicans on this forum know it’s a dangerously narrow-minded position.

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[quote]orion wrote:
hedo wrote:

As to why they hate us…why do you think we care?

Mushroom cloud over Manhattan.

No way for you to stop it.

Seems like an excellent reason to me.

Care, or they will make you care.[/quote]

All though I am sure that would bring cheers to you and your ilk…still don’t care what the eurotrash and ME’s think. Simply not important.

Mushroom cloud of Manhattan means no more Middle East. Only the weak succumb to threats…as I am sure you know.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
hedo wrote:
You have a lot of problems. Your in denial over most topics you discuss. Why didn’t you attend school in the middle east or Africa? Think you’ll find work in your field in either of those places? Sounds like a lot of problems already and you haven’t even embarked on the journey thru adulthood.

I don’t see how my job perspectives are anywhere related to the subject at hand but I’ll bite;

You have absolutely no idea what I’m studying and even less about my career aspirations. I went to school in Morocco, got a Master’s degree there, had a comfortable job (+35,000$) but decided to go ahead and perfect my education.

What I’m doing now (Organic electronics) is rather bleeding-edge and is inexistent in even so-called industrialized countries. Sweden happens to be the world leader in the industry and that’s the reason of my presence here.

Now, since you ask why I didn’t attend school in the Middle-East, it got me thinking that you’d have trouble locating the countries we’re discussing on a map. Keep in mind that my mom is French, lives in France and I had the option of working or studying there. I didn’t because I figured that I won’t be learning anything new in cultural or linguistical terms.

I’m single, healthy and better educated than most to say the least. To quote Timbuk-3: “The future’s so bright, I gotta wear shades”

Your retoric and attempts to frame the discussion between narrow points simply isn’t working. You don’t seem to undertand that. I don’t buy into your attempts to paint the US as a terrorist state and your continued rant shows nothing more then frustration as opposed to reason.

I don’t see any argumentation in your posts.

As to why they hate us…why do you think we care? That must be frustrating huh.

I don’t care whether you care or not. I’m just pointing out that whatever your rascal of a president told you after 9/11 is absolute rubbish.

Excerpt from Bush’s 21/11/01 speech:
“Americans are asking “Why do they hate us?”
They hate what they see right here in this chamber: a democratically elected government. Their leaders are self-appointed. They hate our freedoms: our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other.”

Even hard-line republicans on this forum know it’s a dangerously narrow-minded position.[/quote]

Why do you assume I am not well travelled. You’d be suprised. Actually shocked. I’ve not doubt been to places you couldn’t find with the help of google.

I see you missed the point about framing your arguments. Pointless to continue if you can’t comprehend.

The point about your prospects was to point out the brain drain that happens in your part of the world to those with options. You are simply further proof. Fix your problems before offering opinions on others. Your hardly in a postion to call anyone else narrowmided.

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[quote]hedo wrote:
orion wrote:
hedo wrote:

As to why they hate us…why do you think we care?

Mushroom cloud over Manhattan.

No way for you to stop it.

Seems like an excellent reason to me.

Care, or they will make you care.

All though I am sure that would bring cheers to you and your ilk…still don’t care what the eurotrash and ME’s think. Simply not important.

Mushroom cloud of Manhattan means no more Middle East. Only the weak succumb to threats…as I am sure you know.

[/quote]

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[quote]orion wrote:
hedo wrote:
orion wrote:
hedo wrote:

As to why they hate us…why do you think we care?

Mushroom cloud over Manhattan.

No way for you to stop it.

Seems like an excellent reason to me.

Care, or they will make you care.

All though I am sure that would bring cheers to you and your ilk…still don’t care what the eurotrash and ME’s think. Simply not important.

Mushroom cloud of Manhattan means no more Middle East. Only the weak succumb to threats…as I am sure you know.

[/quote]

finally some humor.

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[quote]hedo wrote:
Why do you assume I am not well travelled. You’d be suprised. Actually shocked. I’ve not doubt been to places you couldn’t find with the help of google.[/quote]

For one you keep mentioning the M.E. knowing that I’m from Morocco. They’re just FAR from each other.

Traveling is one thing. Visualizing the globe in your head is another.

I still don’t see why you consider the US support for the Shah tangental to the issue. Is it that hard to admit that it was wrong to overthrow a democratically elected guy and replace him with a bloody dictator?

It’s precisely the reason behind the Iranian revolution and the mutual hostility of Washington and Tehran.

You’re confusing issues here. I would never have the audacity to criticize your wealth care system, worker unions or anything else that does not affect others. However, I find it a duty to denounce the tragedies that were (and still are) caused by a foreign policy gone mad. The US happens to take a lot of heat because it has and still is doing lots of bad things. I denounce the lack of good will from Morocco to solve the Western Sahara issue and would do the same to protect innocents from a bully country. France has done some bad things too that range from colonizing others, fighting wars over economical interests (e.g: Suez) to helping Israel make nukes. But now they’re OK. Actually Chirac has the best image among Western leaders and I’m sure DeGaulle’s refusal to join NATO has played a role in that.

And why would that be? It was so obvious that people didn’t know if they should laugh or cry.

What does my position have to do with calling other people narrow minded? Your argument is so weak it crumbles under air-pressure.

People around the world and within the US warned after 9/11 about the dangers of Bush’s attitude towards the problem. Why couldn’t I do the same?

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[quote]lixy wrote:
hedo wrote:
Why do you assume I am not well travelled. You’d be suprised. Actually shocked. I’ve not doubt been to places you couldn’t find with the help of google.

For one you keep mentioning the M.E. knowing that I’m from Morocco. They’re just FAR from each other.

Traveling is one thing. Visualizing the globe in your head is another.

I see you missed the point about framing your arguments. Pointless to continue if you can’t comprehend.

I still don’t see why you consider the US support for the Shah tangental to the issue. Is it that hard to admit that it was wrong to overthrow a democratically elected guy and replace him with a bloody dictator?

It’s precisely the reason behind the Iranian revolution and the mutual hostility of Washington and Tehran.

The point about your prospects was to point out the brain drain that happens in your part of the world to those with options. You are simply further proof. Fix your problems before offering opinions on others.

You’re confusing issues here. I would never have the audacity to criticize your wealth care system, worker unions or anything else that does not affect others. However, I find it a duty to denounce the tragedies that were (and still are) caused by a foreign policy gone mad. The US happens to take a lot of heat because it has and still is doing lots of bad things. I denounce the lack of good will from Morocco to solve the Western Sahara issue and would do the same to protect innocents from a bully country. France has done some bad things too that range from colonizing others, fighting wars over economical interests (e.g: Suez) to helping Israel make nukes. But now they’re OK. Actually Chirac has the best image among Western leaders and I’m sure DeGaulle’s refusal to join NATO has played a role in that.

Your hardly in a postion to call anyone else narrowmided.

And why would that be? It was so obvious that people didn’t know if they should laugh or cry.

What does my position have to do with calling other people narrow minded? Your argument is so weak it crumbles under air-pressure.

People around the world and within the US warned after 9/11 about the dangers of Bush’s attitude towards the problem. Why couldn’t I do the same?
http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/0927/p1s1-wogi.html[/quote]

Well you are consistent. It’s always the west’s fault…all the time. For a minute I thought you were going to blame the Arabs and the Africans for their problems. Responsibility for one’s own future…foriegn concept to you huh?

Son, your not making an argument your ranting. I know your frustrated but again I don’t care. Why do you think I would?

You can say anything you want, on an American bodybuilding site, I don’t own it. The point is your insginificant to the US national debate and nobody really cares what a college kid from Morocco thinks about the US.

Wonder why they don’t have a Moroccon bodybuidling site for you to dabble with? You’d be huge and probably taken seriously. Think the King would allow it? A nice debate on the divine right of kings with the subjects. Get real.

You are funny though. Predictable but funny. Your type comes and goes. Unfortunately a lot of you have been mucking up the forums lately.

Have a pleasant weekend. Maybe you’ll find a nice Anti-Bush protest to demonstrate at?

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[quote]hedo wrote:
Well you are consistent. It’s always the west’s fault…all the time. For a minute I thought you were going to blame the Arabs and the Africans for their problems. Responsibility for one’s own future…foriegn concept to you huh?[/quote]

Now, you’re making me say what I never uttered.

Ha! How nice of you to confirm that.

I don’t doubt that. Matter of fact, people are “insignificant to the US national debate”. Now, if you’re a corporation, you might get somewhere.

I hang out on Swedish sites as well, and I’m taken pretty seriously simply 'cause Swedes are not biased and don’t rely on a single source of information. When was the last time you watched a foreign show on TV or caught a radio broadcast from outside the US?

Ever heard of TOR?

Nah, it’s pretty quiet up here. And the gig in Copenhagen was too violent for my taste.

It seems to be heating up in Latin America though. 30,000 in Brazil and 40,000 expected in Uruguay. Bush sure knows how to move the crowds.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
hedo wrote:
Well you are consistent. It’s always the west’s fault…all the time. For a minute I thought you were going to blame the Arabs and the Africans for their problems. Responsibility for one’s own future…foriegn concept to you huh?

Now, you’re making me say what I never uttered.

You can say anything you want, on an American bodybuilding site, I don’t own it.

Ha! How nice of you to confirm that.

The point is your insginificant to the US national debate and nobody really cares what a college kid from Morocco thinks about the US.

I don’t doubt that. Matter of fact, people are “insignificant to the US national debate”. Now, if you’re a corporation, you might get somewhere.

Wonder why they don’t have a Moroccon bodybuidling site for you to dabble with? You’d be huge and probably taken seriously.

I hang out on Swedish sites as well, and I’m taken pretty seriously simply 'cause Swedes are not biased and don’t rely on a single source of information. When was the last time you watched a foreign show on TV or caught a radio broadcast from outside the US?

Think the King would allow it? A nice debate on the divine right of kings with the subjects. Get real.

Ever heard of TOR?

Have a pleasant weekend. Maybe you’ll find a nice Anti-Bush protest to demonstrate at?

Nah, it’s pretty quiet up here. And the gig in Copenhagen was too violent for my taste.

It seems to be heating up in Latin America though. 30,000 in Brazil and 40,000 expected in Uruguay. Bush sure knows how to move the crowds.[/quote]

I’m sure you were pleased to see the news from Brazil. Hating America…it’s your stock in trade Lixy. They still want us to buy their ethanol…what a crazy world.

Have a great weekend. Spend some time away from the computer. I hear lifting weights is good for anger management. There’s some other forums on the site…check them out. Spread your magnetic personality around.

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[quote]hedo wrote:
I’m sure you were pleased to see the news from Brazil. Hating America…it’s your stock in trade Lixy. They still want us to buy their ethanol…what a crazy world.[/quote]

On a more serious note, I honestly can’t recall a country the guy visited where the autochthons made him feel welcome. Heck, the white house itself is constantly under siege.

Lots of people in my line of business apparently. :slight_smile:

Thanks. Same to you.

I promise to follow your advice.

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