Shaq was MVP in all of the finals that’s why even if he wins as many titles Kobe won’t be considered as great as MJ. Lebron has the best chance of dethroning Mike, but I don’t see him doing it.
When Michael Jordan was playing no one compared him to anyone in particular.
The man revolutionized basketball to an extent that his name became synonymous with basketball and “greatness.”
Simply put there will never be another Michael Jordan. His influence and fame didn’t just come from his skill and athleticism but his overall impact on how the game in the NBA is played. Yeah, there were and are today more skilled players than him but then again the Harlem Globetrotters and streetballers like Hot Sauce have incredible basketball skills too.
Whenever we talk about anyone “great” we compare them to Jordan. From that moment on, when you start analyzing in mentally you need to understand that the answer is in the question. Until we start saying “Hey that new kid blazin’. You think he the next Kobe?” the “debate” is just a time burner.
MJ is a brand, an image and an icon.
[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
matko5 wrote:
Out of all todays “superstar” only Kobe has a chance to reach MJ’s greatness.
A few more championships and he’ll be there.
As said before, there’s enough time, any his performance in this years NBA Finals was simply amazing.
Winning more championships wouldn’t matter IMO. MJ never lost a finals, never. None of them even went to 7 games, he did what had to be done to win.
Kobe also started his career earlier than MJ thus giving him more chances for titles. Not the strongest case there, but it does give an advantage to Kobe with that one
And even if Kobe did surpassed/tied Jordan’s accomplishments, I honestly dont think people would give Kobe the benefit of the doubt and call him the G.O.A.T. They hate him too much for that.
What’s not up for debates though is the FACT that SKILL WISE, Kobe is better than Michael. Kobe’s basketball skills is unparalleled IMO. Jordan was obviously more physically gifted, but like the Zen Master tells it, Kobe is more skilled than Michael was even in his prime.
Here’s the Phil Jackson interview:
Uh, no. I already said Bryant’s the best one-on-one offensive player of all time. He has a better handle and a better outside shot, not to mention a better off [left] hand. With that, even young skinny Jordan was better around the bucket and no one outside of Allen Iverson has/had the same level of basketball quickness [that doesn’t mean end to end speed]. Jordan was also a much better man defender and as competitive Bryant is he can’t fuck with Jordan. I ran into Orlando Woolridge a couple of years ago sitting at a bar at a mexican restaurant. Woolridge was with the Bulls Jordan’s rookie year. We talked about all kinds of stuff, but my first question was “Was Mike really that goo…” and before I could put the “d” on good he said “Brother, you have no idea.” He started tellin’ stories about how Jordan dominated practices from day one and would dunk on and talk shit to everone, ha. Jordan dealt with hand checks, Bryant deals with zones. The facts are that the early 80’s-mid 90’s was basketball’s golden age, and the level of basketball being played then will probably not be seen again in our lifetime. And no matter what happens on an NBA court during the next 50 years or so you better believe that no other player will ever be higher than second on the GOAT list.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
When Michael Jordan was playing no one compared him to anyone in particular.
The man revolutionized basketball to an extent that his name became synonymous with basketball and “greatness.”
Simply put there will never be another Michael Jordan. His influence and fame didn’t just come from his skill and athleticism but his overall impact on how the game in the NBA is played. Yeah, there were and are today more skilled players than him but then again the Harlem Globetrotters and streetballers like Hot Sauce have incredible basketball skills too.
Whenever we talk about anyone “great” we compare them to Jordan. From that moment on, when you start analyzing in mentally you need to understand that the answer is in the question. Until we start saying “Hey that new kid blazin’. You think he the next Kobe?” the “debate” is just a time burner.
MJ is a brand, an image and an icon.[/quote]
Uh, he was compared to Dr. J upon entering the league. What’s with these people talking about others having better skills than Jordan? What games have ya’ll been watching? Jordan was the definition of “complete” on the basketball court, and outside of MAYBE Bird, Magic, and now Bryant there has never been as evenly a skilled player, let alone more skilled. Ya’ll need to get ya’lls shit straight.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Uh, he was compared to Dr. J upon entering the league. What’s with these people talking about others having better skills than Jordan? What games have ya’ll been watching? Jordan was the definition of “complete” on the basketball court, and outside of MAYBE Bird, Magic, and now Bryant there has never been as evenly a skilled player, let alone more skilled. Ya’ll need to get ya’lls shit straight.[/quote]
Thats 'cuse he was a skinny black guy who could jump high. He made his own name when he started putting up numbers and DA SHOW baby.
Who knows whos more skilled that who. My point exactly was that measuring up players on skill is stupid. Its like a mathematical equation. ‘Y’ is the product; the “greatness” and skill is like ‘x’, there’s still the coefficient and the other parts of the equation.
EDIT: Yes I do think personally MJ was the best player to play the game, if that was lost in translation.
Lebron is getting there skill wise, he already is the most gifted athlete the league has seen.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Uh, he was compared to Dr. J upon entering the league. What’s with these people talking about others having better skills than Jordan? What games have ya’ll been watching? Jordan was the definition of “complete” on the basketball court, and outside of MAYBE Bird, Magic, and now Bryant there has never been as evenly a skilled player, let alone more skilled. Ya’ll need to get ya’lls shit straight.
Thats 'cuse he was a skinny black guy who could jump high. He made his own name when he started putting up numbers and DA SHOW baby.
Who knows whos more skilled that who. My point exactly was that measuring up players on skill is stupid. Its like a mathematical equation. ‘Y’ is the product; the “greatness” and skill is like ‘x’, there’s still the coefficient and the other parts of the equation.
EDIT: Yes I do think personally MJ was the best player to play the game, if that was lost in translation.
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I think it’s safe to say you have no idea what you’re talking about here.
Nah you’re just a cynical asshole whos mad 'cuse hes got a low GPA. =(
Dude i’ve been playing basketball since I was 5 years old. I was born in a country called Yugoslavia and I played against some of the most skilled kids in Europe until i was 12 years old. I’ve also been watching the NBA since I was 9 years old. Basketball was my LIFE until I started college.
[quote]MangoMan305 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
matko5 wrote:
Out of all todays “superstar” only Kobe has a chance to reach MJ’s greatness.
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Lebron.
Dwyane Wade
Yes I’m a heat fan
As I watched MJ’s speech I thought nothing bad about it, I was surprised when I started hearing all these people criticizing his speech for no reason.
I wouldnt be surprised if he came back for another season.[/quote]
At this point, I think he’d only come back and play for posterity. Otherwise, he has too many business ventures to look after.
I dig Wade but he is injury prone because of how much he jumps. He needs to learn to switch up his game to give his joints a break. But when DW is on, he is fucking ON. Still trying to find the Marquette game where he supposedly tore it up.
[quote]drewh wrote:
Lebron is getting there skill wise, he already is the most gifted athlete the league has seen.[/quote]
No he’s not. He’s a big strong fast 6’9" that’s allowed to carry, travel and get away with murder on the court. He has a launch pad left leg but doesn’t jump well off of two, and despite his obvious physical strength he seldom finishes over or through people. He needs to dominate the ball to be effective and can be taken out of his game if the refs aren’t suckin’ him off.
He doesn’t shoot well off of the bounce and isn’t a good free throw shooter. As it stands he is a phenomenal athlete, but he and Dwyane Wade being allowed to get away with damn near whatever they want on the court makes them appear better than they really are.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Nah you’re just a cynical asshole whos mad 'cuse hes got a low GPA. =(
Dude i’ve been playing basketball since I was 5 years old. I was born in a country called Yugoslavia and I played against some of the most skilled kids in Europe until i was 12 years old. I’ve also been watching the NBA since I was 9 years old. Basketball was my LIFE until I started college.[/quote]
Awesome. I had multiple JUCO offers and have played with and against quite a few NBA players. What’s your point? You don’t know dick about what you speak of. Also, how are you commenting on my GPA when you misspell half the shit you type and don’t use correct punctuation? It’s ok to be wrong man. You don’t have to get butt hurt and defensive.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
drewh wrote:
Lebron is getting there skill wise, he already is the most gifted athlete the league has seen.
No he’s not. He’s a big strong fast 6’9" that’s allowed to carry, travel and get away with murder on the court. He has a launch pad left leg but doesn’t jump well off of two, and despite his obvious physical strength he seldom finishes over or through people. He needs to dominate the ball to be effective and can be taken out of his game if the refs aren’t suckin’ him off. He doesn’t shoot well off of the bounce and isn’t a good free throw shooter. As it stands he is a phenomenal athlete, but he and Dwyane Wade being allowed to get away with damn near whatever they want on the court makes them appear better than they really are. [/quote]
Not to mention Lebron’s mental toughness is light years away from Jordan’s.
Cuse its a internet forum not my fcken professor’s discussion space.
You think you know your shit. I think I know mine. I’m not wrong on anything my friend.
Shouldn’t you be watching NASCAR or drinking chili beer or whateva the fuck they do in Texas.
My favorite Jordan moment. Still gives me chills when I watch it.
THE SHOT
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
matko5 wrote:
Out of all todays “superstar” only Kobe has a chance to reach MJ’s greatness.
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Lebron.[/quote]
Never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Cuse its a internet forum not my fcken professor’s discussion space.
You think you know your shit. I think I know mine. I’m not wrong on anything my friend.
Shouldn’t you be watching NASCAR or drinking chili beer or whateva the fuck they do in Texas.
My favorite Jordan moment. Still gives me chills when I watch it.
THE SHOT
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No, I know I know my shit and I know you’re some dumbass who can’t spell or punctuate properly and backtracked on two seperate occasions from his original statement and resorted to name calling 'cause he realized he didn’t know what the fuck he was talking about. That about sum it up? Don’t answer that, it was rhetorical. Also, Texas is the second largest state in the U.S and houses two of the five largest cities in the country. Not everyone here is a redneck, moron.
Shit…dats why I finished in the top 2% my first semester.
I aint the only name caller apparently.
(If you need someone to be “wrong” for you to feel better; OKAY.)
Lebron has three years to get a ship if he wants to stay on track with MJ. He’s done more with less than MJ so far anyway. He literally took a team to the finals, once he gets a legit supporting cast we’ll see how good he can be. And quit with the travelling makes them better bull shit you’re probably one of those idiots who thinks college ball is better because they play defense and have fundementals. You really believe Jordan didn’t get away with stuff.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Nikiforos wrote:
waldo21212 wrote:
Michael Jordan = most famous athlete to ever walk the face of the earth. And I liked his speech.
No, not really… one or two soccer players have been more famous if we talk globally IMO. But I would say MJ is the -best- athlete to ever walk the face of the earth.
I dunno. A reporter once said he thought Magic Johnson was the most recognized athlete in the world at one time, till he saw a 40 ft mural of Jordan in Barcelona, and how you could go into the jungles of the Congo and find MJ jerseys. How much of that last part is true, I dunno, but with the cable TV and the internet Jordan I would have to say is the most recognizable athlete in all the world, probably to this day[/quote]
That’s exactly what I was getting at. I’ve heard that if you ask people who have never seen a basketball game what they know about basketball their response is “Michael Jordan”. The guy hasn’t played professionally for a while, yet everyone including little kids who weren’t even alive when he played still know who Air Jordan is.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Shit…dats why I finished in the top 2% my first semester.
I aint the only name caller apparently.
(If you need someone to be “wrong” for you to feel better; OKAY.)[/quote]
You’re an idiot on so many levels…
The fact that you finished top 2% means that you know all about basketball how exactly?
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Shit…dats why I finished in the top 2% my first semester.
I aint the only name caller apparently.
(If you need someone to be “wrong” for you to feel better; OKAY.)[/quote]
Well, I finished first in my first semester. Top that. 