[quote]MikeKubo wrote:
Molotov_Coktease wrote:
MikeKubo wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
You’re talking about the most famous man in the world. Yeah, there’s alot of famous people and most of them are weirdos, but none of them are Michael Jackson famous. Tom Cruise is famous, and he’s a fucking loon, but he’s not Michael Jackson famous. Angelina Jolie’s pretty fucking famous and pretty fucking weird, but she’s not Michael Jackson famous.
There’s been three people in the history of the world who’ve attained that level of noteriety and they’ve all self destructed: Elvis, Michael Jackson, and Britney Spears, and maybe she’s young enough that she can somewhat do damage control. There reaches a point of being TOO famous, and these three hit it. I’m not condoning what he did, or allegedly did, but no one here will ever understand the level of insanity his life reached on every concieveable level.
The first tape I ever bought was BAD when I was in kindergarten. He was the greatest entertainer in music history, and no one will be able to touch what he’s done. Show some fucking respect.
Tremendously well said buddy, and thank you for it. I was a huge Michael fan. And for what its worth, I’d like to add this- I don’t and NEVER have believed the molestation shit. That being said, was he weird? Absolutely. He missed his childhood, and was wanting to relive it and kids were the only people who didn’t think of him as “Hey, what can I get from this motherfucker?!!!” He was just a FRIEND to them. They were the only ones REAL with him.
And seeing the type of guy he was, I always believed him when he said he didnt touch them. Who should we believe? The money grubbing parents? WHY?!?! Tell me this- would YOU let your fucking kids sleep in ANY adults bed overnight unsupervised?! FUCK NO! Not if you’re any kind of parent. Those fucking people had AGENDAS! They knew damn well they were gunna try and take this guy for a ride and fuck him over for money. Any parent that lets their kid sleep in an adults house and/or bed without knowing them/being a family member, etc is no fucking parent to begin with and not a fucking thing they say can be trusted. They were fucking neglective, deceitful, money hungry fuckin liars, plain and simple. I’ve never seen how anyone cant put that together.
These people let their kids go sleep unsupervised in an adults house/bed with him. They didnt CARE what happened to their kids. And they knew what they could claim later on. Totally bad parenting (actually about as bad as it gets) and totally untrustworthy CHARACTER for a human being to have. Nothing said can be taken at face value due to that alone. Michael’s character, by the songs he sang, the messages, the charity, etc, I don’t think were ever in question, and the molesting shit was the only thing that ever really caused people to question it. Yes, he did weird shit, but the kid stuff was the only BAD thing, and again…When you look at what is involved on his side vs those parents, sorry, I’m gunna take his.
Rest in peace Michael. May you be with the Lord and finally get the peace, love and happiness you have been searching for your entire life.
KUBO
I highly doubt these parents knew that their children would be spending the night in the VERY bed of Michael Jackson. If anything, I believe they trusted their children would be safe with such a public figure. It is very important for parents to be familiar with anybody their children will spend a night with, but I HIGHLY doubt anybody thought for one second that he would take them into his own bed for the night.
That is not neglectful parenting, that is simply blind trust, you assume the person isn’t going to be keeping a fucking bed with your child and rightly so…if I had any inkling that my child would be sleeping in the bed with him, I’d have chopped his fucking head off, and paraded it around the world.
It is highly probable that these parents are money hungry assholes, and Michael Jackson being so famous and rich… we no longer have the luxury of believing where there is smoke there is fire. But so many would vouch for his innocence purely by citing talent alone. As if the talented are immune to sickness. It certainly doesn’t cancel all he has given the world, the good you give is the good you give.
Nobody can dispute that he was talented. That he gave joy to this world. I just don’t think anybody ever knew him, and I suspect he had some awfully gigantic demons, and then some. He ended as a frail human being, sad for a man who was tremendous inside.
I get where you’re coming from, but you have to look at a few things here…
A) When you’re talking about ‘blind trust’, who do you think was really the one more capable of that- Michael, who idolized Peter Pan, or parents who, in one way or another, put their kids in a position to be sleeping in a bed with an adult man, claimed they wanted justice, then settled for MONEY ($$$!!!$$$ THANX JACKO!! $$$) when they claimed their child was raped and molested? Seriously? Do you people not read between the lines on this?
B) I followed that case pretty closely- All of these kids spent MORE than 1 night in his home- Youre telling me these kids never piped up to their parents about the weekend and said “Oh, we all slept in Michael’s giant bed with him?” Yeah, they did, and guess what? They went back. Case closed RIGHT there.
C) “Blind trust cuz he was a public figure” So was Hitler. If that is the reasoning alone for it, then yes dear, I’m sorry, but that is 100% neglectful parenting. In fact, it may be the definition of it. You put your child in harms way…As a parent, you err on the side of caution. And again, the kid (the first one anyway) slept there on way more than one occasion.
D) You just said it- “If I had any inkling they were going to be staying in his bed…” Well, its your kid…Aside from the fact that if NOTHING else, after the first time they knew, who’s job would it be to find that out? “Hey, where are the kids gunna sleep?” Youknow, considering you’re already dumb enough to let them stay at a STRANGERS house. Again, neglectful parenting…
Only, it wasnt neglectful, cuz these people knew, and tried to take a man who simply missed his own childhood and wanted to do something good for kids who, a lot of people forget this, were actually terminally ill, before they died and make some new friends. Like X said, until we lost our innocence, it was a lot easier to understand his actions, because Michael never lost his.
The guy came on tv in a sitdown interview, crying, because of how wretched the thought of doing what he was accused of was. Again, both families that accused him of this took him for a ride, plain and simple.
The fact alone that after he was accused of this, had his name dragged through the mud, and forever became a punchline to fucking pedo jokes, and CONTINUED to let these kids come to his home, truthfully, to me, shows the truth in and of itself. He wasn’t a pedophile. Michael Jackson WAS Peter Pan. [/quote]
I get where you are coming from too Mike Kubo, I really do. Peter Pan right? Perhaps Wendy here just doesn’t believe in fairy dust anymore. I understand helping sick children, and even entertaining kids to a certain degree. However, I really feel it was just totally over the line for children to be in his bed. We can say the parents are anything we want, shifting the focus off the fact that no child should ever have been in his bed in the first place. Was he a pedo? I really wouldn’t swear he was or wasn’t.
He’s not the first man or person to be deprived of a proper childhood, and certainly not the first good and innocent soul it has fallen upon. Yet he made stupid choices, not innocent choices…stupid choices. Regardless of what is robbed from us as children we are still responsible for what we do as adults. Michael Jackson continued to make foolish choices that landed him under public scrutiny.
It is quite possible that he was innocent, I hope he was… honestly. Most of us want to believe the good, and nobody wants to grow up and be callous and immune to kindness and beauty. Michael Jackson had an arsenal full of brightness, it’s just a bit hard for me not to sense a troubled somewhat darker undercurrent. To this day I simply don’t know. I won’t champion his innocence nor swear to his guilt. I’ll just enjoy the music.
