Tonight the BET Awards are giving an extended tribute tonight to Michael Jackson.
[quote]anonym wrote:
Eielson wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Ace Rimmer wrote:
- Changing his skin colour and lying about it being a skin disease.
It is a legitimate disease. Educate yourself.
- Building a goddamn theme park in his back yard
If I had that kind of cash, I would too.
You are truly an idiot.
He listed 12 things, and you only got to #2…
That doesn’t make what was said insightful or clever. No one is claiming to be MJ’s buddy here, so questions posed as “if you had a friend…” are not valid.
Most of that shit can be dismissed by simply saying it is none of our business (#1, 2, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14). #3 and #4 have already been discussed on this forum. #6 is bad judgment, but not enough to hate a man over. He has never been “face to face” with anyone here, so #11 is moot.
No one here knows him well enough to judge him based on his character or personality, and most of us are intelligent enough to distinguish between MJ the man and MJ the musician.[/quote]
Good point. While we can all emphasise and relate to Michael Jackson’s music, we could never hope to fully comprehend the man himself. He came from an extraordinary childhood that would thrust him into the spotlight of which he could never hope to escape.
As none of us can ever imagine living his kind of life it is hypocritical to call him ‘WACKO JACKO’ or any other mean comment when we hear of his eccentric activities. He never expierenced what was ‘normal’ so why would he act as what we perceive as normal?
And as for the molestation accusations, while I’m not defending his questionable affection to children, any one with half a brain would see that a group of shady individuals with a criminal history seeing an opportunity to exploit a vulnerable and foolish man puts the case firmly in favour of the king of pop.
There was simply no evidence to prove otherwise.
That is some really wierd shit. But I still don’t see the argument for his guilt.
Okay,peeps on here keep citing his upbringing and life as an excuse for his continued behaviour.
He had chances to change,and never did,that is what defined him,in my eyes.
His upbringing/abuse when younger is also cited as a reason he would not mistreat others,and would be more likely to not harm a child.
That argument does not hold water.
In the vast majority of cases involving pedophiles,rapists and serial killers,they all had one thing in common-they were abused,tortured and beaten horrifically by their parents and carers throughout their whole childhood and beyond,as many continue to live with their parents or continue to take the abuse when adults.
They were sexually abused,mutilated,imprisoned,pimped out,tortured on a daily basis,and given severe,sustained beatings for either amusement,sexual thrills,or twisted moral punishment for things like showing interest in girls or masturbating,and told women are evil.
From the examples given,I have heard of nothing as severe as that with MJ’s upbringing.
Many behavourial experts agree that people who are abused and kept way from any source of love or compassion,are far more likely to go on to abuse others,especially defenceless people and especially kids.
It’s all they have known.It’s not all MJ has known-he still had love and fans and supporters.
Do you pity them? forgive them? I might do,if they see the errors of their ways and make efforts to change.Many pedophiles who volunteer for Chemical Castration and/or therapy never reoffend.
But I believe that many of those who are mourning him,would happily see all rapists/killers/pedophiles executed without a second thought-where’s your bleeding heart for them?
Ok,so peeps say you don’t know for a fact he touched anyone like that-fair enough.
Let’s try this-if he went on TV and admitted he touched them,would you still be on his side?
or only if he also admitted he was wrong,apologised and promised to get help and change?
I’m just trying to gauge the level of loyalty here.
[quote]Ace Rimmer wrote:
It is valid,the reasoning I gave is I’m trying to figure out whether some of you guys are thinking clearly,or getting blinded by fame.There’s a differnce between loyalty/devotion/admiration and delusion/ignorance.So I’m asking you to IMAGINE,using your IMAGINATION,how you would react or feel if this was someone you knew,whether it was actually MJ,another celebrity,or just some millionaire dude you know.I don’t think it’s moot.
Still no-one has actually considered all those points.
I’m not saying I hated him for his mistakes-I keep saying that.
I stopped liking him less and less over time for being consistently lying-he was cowardly & decietful in many ways…I used to defend him.[/quote]
So you are wondering if I would feel differently if a friend lied to me versus if a stranger lied to me?
Yes, I would. But you can only make your point through changing that (extremely important) parameter. I really don’t give a shit if a stranger lies to me about trivial issues that are none of my business - he/she doesn’t owe me anything, much less answers to issues that I, personally, would be tactful enough to not harp on about in the first place (cosmetic surgery, skin coloring, financial and marital issues, etc). If a FRIEND chose to lie to me about certain things, sure I would be hurt… but I would also do my best to empathize and dig the fact that not everybody is as enthusiastic about airing their dirty laundry/personal issues as you seem to want them to be.
Blow this up to a national - no, global - scale, and use your head, man.
That’s the thing - you seem to insist upon MJ’s obligation to be truthful about his personal life to his public audience when the two are clearly separate entities. Why do you feel you have a relationship with him personal enough that it obligates him to answer any and all questions to your satisfaction?
Most of us are able to compartmentalize our thoughts and feelings between MJ the performer and MJ the man… why can’t you?
The crotch grab, moonwalk, glove, and beat it jacket: that guy was iconic in every sense of the word and ahead of his time with his dancing and music videos.
[quote]Ace Rimmer wrote:
<<< But I believe that many of those who are mourning him,would happily see all rapists/killers/pedophiles executed without a second thought-where’s your bleeding heart for them? >>>[/quote]
That is a great point and you can count me among those, except “mourning” isn’t exactly the way I’d describe my reaction to his death and I don’t know him to be a rapist, killer OR pedophile.
I do know him to be a lonely miserable unhinged weirdo about for I’ve already confessed an inexplicable sympathy that is entirely unrelated to his career.
I would go so far as to say that since I don’t think I believe he actually molested anybody that those children will be far more damaged by the knowledge that mom and dad were willing to pretend they were for money than by anything he did do.
I’ll also say again. I could be wrong, but in the absence of more substantial proof I choose to give this guy the benefit of the reasonable doubt. I think he was enormously talented at what he did, but had the judgment and decision making powers of a child. It fits in his case.
Ace Rimmer.
I strongly encourage you to watch the following video:
Granted, you derive your opinions from stand up comedy, so the whole interview may go over your head, but there’s always hope.
See, there are two types of people who never liked Michael Jackson’s music:
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The people who genuinely just don’t like that particular genre
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The people who are proud non-conformists
The second type is what really pisses me off, and I find it ironic that non-conformists sometimes enjoy proclaiming their non-conformity. Who fucking cares that you didn’t like something?
Regardless of what type you are, you cannot deny that Jackson is one of the most - actually, I’d say THE most - parodied celebrity of all time, meaning his influence was that great. There is not a soul out of the 7 billion on this planet that has not heard one of his songs in their lifetime; you can’t say that for the Beatles, Elvis, Sinatra, even Madonna.
I have been in desolate parts of a fucking desert where nomads would hum Smooth Criminal.
Easily the most intense, most creative and most successful solo artist ever. Nobody will ever come close.
The intensity and passion he performed with made it appear as if he existed in a dimension of space-time apart from everyone else, and when you saw him perform you were envious of that place he could elevate himself to, that you simply were not invited to. Like how Michael Jordan just lived in the “clutch,” that is how Michael JACKSON seemed to appear when he performed for an audience.
Weird? Sure. Fucked up childhood? Definitely.
And I’m not even a die hard fan. But don’t be stupid and say he wasn’t influential or wasn’t amazing, even if you didn’t like his music. You probably cracked a joke or tried to imitate him at some point in your life, which just illustrates my point that much more.
[quote]G87 wrote:
Ace Rimmer.
I strongly encourage you to watch the following video:
Granted, you derive your opinions from stand up comedy, so the whole interview may go over your head, but there’s always hope.[/quote]
nice find.
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
The second type is what really pisses me off, and I find it ironic that non-conformists sometimes enjoy proclaiming their non-conformity.[/quote]
“If you want to be one of the non-conformists, all you have to do is dress just like us and listen to the same music we do.”
10 e-points for getting the reference.
Yesh
He was a great artist thats all I have to say. A True Icon. R.I.P
This thread sucks.
[quote]sanik wrote:
This thread sucks.[/quote]
Hard to imagine with this stellar contribution.
yeahhhhhhhhhhh
[quote]cc85 wrote:
yeahhhhhhhhhhh[/quote]
I laughed… felt terrible… and laughed some more. At least it’s mostly making fun of stupid ass CSI miami
[quote]usctrojansfan wrote:
The world needs people like Michael Jackson.[/quote]
NO!
What’s funny…is that most of the true insults seem to be coming from people who never even experienced life when Mike was truly on top. At his peak, Mike surpassed the popularity of The Beatles. There isn’t one kid who was alive during the early 1980’s who doesn’t remember Thriller unless tv’s didn’t exist where they were.
There are no artists alive now on that level. NO ONE in the last 20 years has come close to that degree of fame.
I imagine it is easy to ignore that when all you experienced was Mike after his skin was lighter than an albino. You would have grown up in a time when there are no celebrities on that plane and the only thing you’ve heard from day one are more and more jokes.
However, it does seem like more than ever respect of any kind if just lacking lately. You now get to make jokes about people THE SAME DAY they die and then act like that is OK.
I, personally, am surprised any thinking person believes he RAPED some kids. I think the guy was off and needed help, but I don’t think for a second that he was anything more than a guy who saw himself as a kid eternally. Every single video released when I was growing up was for kids. He focused his attention on making songs that connected with that youngest generation…and anyone who was a kid back then knows it.
The length of this thread alone is proof that he had a massive impact on people all over. How many other artists have thread’s this long talking about their lives & deaths?