Mexican Loyalties in the United States

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Sloth wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Sloth wrote:
3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
We should just start a political party of, true American conservatives that panders to the ‘native white’ population and then like-minded latino-americans. You could probably win an election just with those two groups.

Self-governance, small government, local rule, with love for a strong common character isn’t an inheritable ideology, in my opinion. I hope everyone gets onboard.

Hope is not a course of action.

Look, you’re basically proposing that Mexicans - an exceedingly racist group - buy into a bunch of ideas of Dead White Anglo Males with the end result of getting themselves less public treasure. That’s not in their racial interests, especially when they haven’t caught up (and won’t catch up) to whites in high-paying, white collar jobs.

Yes, culture matters. But Mexico is the way Mexico is because it’s full of Mexicans. Cultural shifts do not happen quickly down there.

That goes back to my stingy immigration views. Mexicans, anyone, who went through my immigration process would at least be high school educated, possess a needed skill or trade, able to prove they’re financially self-reliant, and just show they’re readily employable. Ready to hit the ground running, in other words. I don’t mind immigration. When it’s served up in easy to swallow and digest bites[/quote]

What I keep trying to get you to understand is that it’s already pretty much too late for “immigration reform.” Unless we’re willing to elect a hard-ass who will start internal enforcement despite all of the whines of “racism” from the SWPLs and Mexicans, they’re here to stay. The best we can hope for is simply protesting another amnesty to the point where we at least maintain the status quo.

The type of Mexicans you’d like to see coming here are not going to want to come here because they’ve already got it good in Mexico, unless a guy like Lopez Obrador gets elected and starts seizing wealth.

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[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
That’s how it already is. There are engineers and doctors in my family who can’t even get a tourist visa to come to the USA. Most of the abhorrent worthless so-called ‘Latinos’ you see here, were either born here and descend from people who either came here illegally or who have been here for generations, or, came here illegally.
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I’m just stating how I want immigration. Legal, orderly, and to fullfill a goal. Anyways, what’s probably most important about my statement is what’s not included. There’s no hesitation or second guessing about enforcing the law and securing our borders. Nor, any consideration of amnesty.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
What I keep trying to get you to understand is that it’s already pretty much too late for “immigration reform.” Unless we’re willing to elect a hard-ass who will start internal enforcement despite all of the whines of “racism” from the SWPLs and Mexicans, they’re here to stay. The best we can hope for is simply protesting another amnesty to the point where we at least maintain the status quo.
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If it’s too late, then it’s too late to stop amnesty. Might be able to kick it further down the road, for now. I don’t know, maybe we’re just talking for the sake of talking. If you’re right, then we’ll see white flight on a national ( or, is that international) level. Taking their wealth with them. Maybe it’s a good time to be a tutor of languages that are spoken in emerging economic powerhouses.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
That’s how it already is. There are engineers and doctors in my family who can’t even get a tourist visa to come to the USA. Most of the abhorrent worthless so-called ‘Latinos’ you see here, were either born here and descend from people who either came here illegally or who have been here for generations, or, came here illegally.

I’m just stating how I want immigration. Legal, orderly, and to fullfill a goal. Anyways, what’s probably most important about my statement is what’s not included. There’s no hesitation or second guessing about enforcing the law and securing our borders. Nor, any consideration of amnesty.[/quote]

I agree with this policy. I just wish more people grasped how immigration policy truly is. So many ppl tell me stupid shit like, ILLEGALS JUST SIT ON THEIR ASS AND GET WELFARE, or, WE LET ALL THESE DUMB IMMIGRANTS IN.

Fact of the matter is, qualified latin americans have trouble coming here because of all the latinos who come here illegally, and illegals cannot apply for gov’t assistance. Maybe in the state of California they have pushed their way into some services but in the rest, not so.

Getting a US visa is very difficult. There is also this fucking lottery which just randomly gives VISAs out basically. I think that shit is so stupid.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
What I keep trying to get you to understand is that it’s already pretty much too late for “immigration reform.” Unless we’re willing to elect a hard-ass who will start internal enforcement despite all of the whines of “racism” from the SWPLs and Mexicans, they’re here to stay. The best we can hope for is simply protesting another amnesty to the point where we at least maintain the status quo.

If it’s too late, then it’s too late to stop amnesty. Might be able to kick it further down the road, for now. I don’t know, maybe we’re just talking for the sake of talking. If you’re right, then we’ll see white flight on a national ( or, is that international) level. Taking their wealth with them. Maybe it’s a good time to be a tutor of languages that are spoken in emerging economic powerhouses.
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White flight to where, exactly? The South Pole?

How about instead of “white flight” we rediscover “white testicular fortitude”?

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[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
Sloth wrote:
3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
That’s how it already is. There are engineers and doctors in my family who can’t even get a tourist visa to come to the USA. Most of the abhorrent worthless so-called ‘Latinos’ you see here, were either born here and descend from people who either came here illegally or who have been here for generations, or, came here illegally.

I’m just stating how I want immigration. Legal, orderly, and to fullfill a goal. Anyways, what’s probably most important about my statement is what’s not included. There’s no hesitation or second guessing about enforcing the law and securing our borders. Nor, any consideration of amnesty.

I agree with this policy. I just wish more people grasped how immigration policy truly is. So many ppl tell me stupid shit like, ILLEGALS JUST SIT ON THEIR ASS AND GET WELFARE, or, WE LET ALL THESE DUMB IMMIGRANTS IN.

Fact of the matter is, qualified latin americans have trouble coming here because of all the latinos who come here illegally, and illegals cannot apply for gov’t assistance. Maybe in the state of California they have pushed their way into some services but in the rest, not so.

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WE know qualified latinos have trouble coming here. My wife’s friend is from Mexico City and is constantly jumping through hoops to stay here.

Illegals collect welfare through a) document fraud and b) having babies here with US citizenship. Trust me, they’re real good at both.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
Sloth wrote:
3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
That’s how it already is. There are engineers and doctors in my family who can’t even get a tourist visa to come to the USA. Most of the abhorrent worthless so-called ‘Latinos’ you see here, were either born here and descend from people who either came here illegally or who have been here for generations, or, came here illegally.

I’m just stating how I want immigration. Legal, orderly, and to fullfill a goal. Anyways, what’s probably most important about my statement is what’s not included. There’s no hesitation or second guessing about enforcing the law and securing our borders. Nor, any consideration of amnesty.

I agree with this policy. I just wish more people grasped how immigration policy truly is. So many ppl tell me stupid shit like, ILLEGALS JUST SIT ON THEIR ASS AND GET WELFARE, or, WE LET ALL THESE DUMB IMMIGRANTS IN.

Fact of the matter is, qualified latin americans have trouble coming here because of all the latinos who come here illegally, and illegals cannot apply for gov’t assistance. Maybe in the state of California they have pushed their way into some services but in the rest, not so.

WE know qualified latinos have trouble coming here. My wife’s friend is from Mexico City and is constantly jumping through hoops to stay here.

Illegals collect welfare through a) document fraud and b) having babies here with US citizenship. Trust me, they’re real good at both. [/quote]

It’s like an upside down meritocracy. The least qualified people, who like to break the law, are encounrage and emboldened to stay. While the most qualified, and law abiding people, are discouraged in everyway.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:

It’s much better to be purposefully and willfully ignorant, right sloth?

This is much too common with you. You imply your opponent doesn’t know something, but never get around to pointing out what that is.

Nobody but you is arguing the defintion of “proxy.” I’m not sure how that has escaped you this far.

Feel free to look up why it is used as a proxy. Feel free to look up why some people think it’s a bad proxy. Simply stating “that’s piss poor” and “it’s not real science” is…well…being ignorant.

I won’t waste my time explaining it because I’m fairly certain you won’t make the effort to learn. I’m not going to spoon feed you.

Did you even open the link above? What did it say about this very topic?

Oh for cripes sake. You brought up language as an indirect indicator of assimilation. A proxy. For the population we’re talking about, we’re arguing achievment gaps have proven to be multigenerational, soaking up a crap ton of resources to address. It’s pretty simple, really. Even if the rate of assimilation climbs for 2nd generations over time, because they learned english (I guess), and the achievment gap narrows to a new low, it still takes one extra generation. That’s assuming achievment of the 2nd generation could ever reach parity with the native white. [/quote]

Seriously you are hilarious sloth. The indignation is great. The best part is that you still seem to think that assimilation occurs because of language acquisition (you guess).

Well you don’t have to guess. Would you like to know about assimilation? Would you like to learn about achievement gaps and the resources used to close them? Would you like to learn how they are closed in generations or if it “could ever reach parity with the native white?” All these questions have answers and are researched every day. Hell, if you would have asked nicely, I’d probably have looked them up for you.

But let’s be clear: you don’t want to learn about this. You scoff at entire fields. So I’m not going to spoon feed you these answers. Be honest, you’d never heard of language as a proxy for assimilation, and yet you immediately discounted it. Why? Because these fields “aren’t real science” right?

You’re willfully ignorant. Why? I have no idea. But you have fun with that.

Edit: damn I’m tired, fixing typos

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[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:

It’s much better to be purposefully and willfully ignorant, right sloth?

This is much too common with you. You imply your opponent doesn’t know something, but never get around to pointing out what that is.

Nobody but you is arguing the defintion of “proxy.” I’m not sure how that has escaped you this far.

Feel free to look up why it is used as a proxy. Feel free to look up why some people think it’s a bad proxy. Simply stating “that’s piss poor” and “it’s not real science” is…well…being ignorant.

I won’t waste my time explaining it because I’m fairly certain you won’t make the effort to learn. I’m not going to spoon feed you.

Did you even open the link above? What did it say about this very topic?

Oh for cripes sake. You brought up language as an indirect indicator of assimilation. A proxy. For the population we’re talking about, we’re arguing achievment gaps have proven to be multigenerational, soaking up a crap ton of resources to address. It’s pretty simple, really. Even if the rate of assimilation climbs for 2nd generations over time, because they learned english (I guess), and the achievment gap narrows to a new low, it still takes one extra generation. That’s assuming achievment of the 2nd generation could ever reach parity with the native white.

Seriously you are hilarious sloth. The indignation is great. The best part is that you still seem to think that assimilation occurs because of language acquisition (you guess).

Well you don’t have to guess. Would you like to know about assimilation? Would you like to learn about achievement gaps and the resources used to close them? Would you like to learn how they are closed in generations or if it “could ever reach parity with the native white?” All these questions have answers and are researched every day. Hell, if you would have asked nicely, I’d probably have looked them up for you.

But let’s be clear: you don’t want to learn about this. You scoff at entire fields. So I’m not going to spoon feed you these answers. Be honest, you’d never heard of language as a proxy for assimilation, and yet you immediately discounted it. Why? Because these fields “aren’t real science” right?

You’re willfully ignorant. Why? I have no idea. But you have fun with that.

Edit: damn I’m tired, fixing typos[/quote]

I’m beginning to realize you’re a copy and paster. You have no idea what you’re talking about, and when not straight up copying and pasting, you’re hiding behind replies that never get around to saying anything. Note, again, the style. “You don’t know what I know you don’t know. I won’t say what that is, so you’ll have to figure out what is that that you don’t know, that I know. I’d tell you what is that you don’t know that I know, but you can’t handle what I know that you don’t know.” Literally, that’s all your post is.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:

It’s much better to be purposefully and willfully ignorant, right sloth?

This is much too common with you. You imply your opponent doesn’t know something, but never get around to pointing out what that is.

Nobody but you is arguing the defintion of “proxy.” I’m not sure how that has escaped you this far.

Feel free to look up why it is used as a proxy. Feel free to look up why some people think it’s a bad proxy. Simply stating “that’s piss poor” and “it’s not real science” is…well…being ignorant.

I won’t waste my time explaining it because I’m fairly certain you won’t make the effort to learn. I’m not going to spoon feed you.

Did you even open the link above? What did it say about this very topic?

Oh for cripes sake. You brought up language as an indirect indicator of assimilation. A proxy. For the population we’re talking about, we’re arguing achievment gaps have proven to be multigenerational, soaking up a crap ton of resources to address. It’s pretty simple, really. Even if the rate of assimilation climbs for 2nd generations over time, because they learned english (I guess), and the achievment gap narrows to a new low, it still takes one extra generation. That’s assuming achievment of the 2nd generation could ever reach parity with the native white.

Seriously you are hilarious sloth. The indignation is great. The best part is that you still seem to think that assimilation occurs because of language acquisition (you guess).

Well you don’t have to guess. Would you like to know about assimilation? Would you like to learn about achievement gaps and the resources used to close them? Would you like to learn how they are closed in generations or if it “could ever reach parity with the native white?” All these questions have answers and are researched every day. Hell, if you would have asked nicely, I’d probably have looked them up for you.

But let’s be clear: you don’t want to learn about this. You scoff at entire fields. So I’m not going to spoon feed you these answers. Be honest, you’d never heard of language as a proxy for assimilation, and yet you immediately discounted it. Why? Because these fields “aren’t real science” right?

You’re willfully ignorant. Why? I have no idea. But you have fun with that.

Edit: damn I’m tired, fixing typos

I’m beginning to realize you’re a copy and paster. You have no idea what you’re talking about, and when not straight up copying and pasting, you’re hiding behind replies that never get around to saying anything. Note, again, the style. “You don’t know what I know you don’t know. I won’t say what that is, so you’ll have to figure out what is that that you don’t know, that I know. I’d tell you what is that you don’t know that I know, but you can’t handle what I know that you don’t know.” Literally, that’s all your post is.

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This is a strange response. Actually, I did mention specifics about “what you don’t know.” Here you are, I’ve underlined them above for you. Mind, these are more examples than anything else. More or less you appear to be scornfully ignorant of entire fields.

It’s not that you can’t handle it. It’s that you choose not to. When I posted research, how did you react?

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[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:

It’s much better to be purposefully and willfully ignorant, right sloth?

This is much too common with you. You imply your opponent doesn’t know something, but never get around to pointing out what that is.

Nobody but you is arguing the defintion of “proxy.” I’m not sure how that has escaped you this far.

Feel free to look up why it is used as a proxy. Feel free to look up why some people think it’s a bad proxy. Simply stating “that’s piss poor” and “it’s not real science” is…well…being ignorant.

I won’t waste my time explaining it because I’m fairly certain you won’t make the effort to learn. I’m not going to spoon feed you.

Did you even open the link above? What did it say about this very topic?

Oh for cripes sake. You brought up language as an indirect indicator of assimilation. A proxy. For the population we’re talking about, we’re arguing achievment gaps have proven to be multigenerational, soaking up a crap ton of resources to address. It’s pretty simple, really. Even if the rate of assimilation climbs for 2nd generations over time, because they learned english (I guess), and the achievment gap narrows to a new low, it still takes one extra generation. That’s assuming achievment of the 2nd generation could ever reach parity with the native white.

Seriously you are hilarious sloth. The indignation is great. The best part is that you still seem to think that assimilation occurs because of language acquisition (you guess).

Well you don’t have to guess. Would you like to know about assimilation? Would you like to learn about achievement gaps and the resources used to close them? Would you like to learn how they are closed in generations or if it “could ever reach parity with the native white?” All these questions have answers and are researched every day. Hell, if you would have asked nicely, I’d probably have looked them up for you.

But let’s be clear: you don’t want to learn about this. You scoff at entire fields. So I’m not going to spoon feed you these answers. Be honest, you’d never heard of language as a proxy for assimilation, and yet you immediately discounted it. Why? Because these fields “aren’t real science” right?

You’re willfully ignorant. Why? I have no idea. But you have fun with that.

Edit: damn I’m tired, fixing typos

I’m beginning to realize you’re a copy and paster. You have no idea what you’re talking about, and when not straight up copying and pasting, you’re hiding behind replies that never get around to saying anything. Note, again, the style. “You don’t know what I know you don’t know. I won’t say what that is, so you’ll have to figure out what is that that you don’t know, that I know. I’d tell you what is that you don’t know that I know, but you can’t handle what I know that you don’t know.” Literally, that’s all your post is.

This is a strange response. Actually, I did mention specifics about “what you don’t know.” Here you are, I’ve underlined them above for you. Mind, these are more examples than anything else. More or less you appear to be scornfully ignorant of entire fields.

It’s not that you can’t handle it. It’s that you choose not to. When I posted research, how did you react? [/quote]

Say something. Make a claim. Make a statement. Challenge a statment. All you’ve done is throw up some underlining and said “there.”

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Here’s a little spoonful for you, don’t think I’ll make this a habit.

This thread is based on the premise that immigrants, particularly Hispanic immigrants, are not assimilating into American culture. The evidence used was a survey done of Mexicans in Mexico, but was believed to have been given to mexican-americans. That belief was incorrect. Further, the argument that Hispanics are not assimilating to the culture has been strongly questioned if not completely disproven by the literature. Unfortunately, several posters on this board refuse to look at that literature. Further, they scorn it claiming it is “not real science.” This is possibly because it disproves their assumptions.

I’ve given evidence which challenges several premises on this thread. These include: questions about assimilation, the number of illegal immigrants in the US, and the ways that those illegal immigrants enter the country.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
So why don’t you start calling them Meztizos, Mexicans or Cali Mexicans rahter than Latinos when you talk about the negative aspects of the local Mexican American population.

I do, don’t I? Don’t you see me writing “Mexicans” when I talk about this sort of thing? In fact, look at the title of the thread.

I am Latino and don’t like being compared with people who aren’t from my nation or race, and have hijacked a name ‘Latino’ that applies to people from South Europe and not some Central American Jungle.

Didn’t I say this earlier?

It’s like the term “Hispanic.” Do you like being lumped in with the Mexicans?

I was trying to say that you obviuosly don’t like it.

Obviously you admit Cubans, and South American people for the most part are productive and peaceful, so stop comparing the real Latinos to the fucking Aztecs.

LOL. Guy, I wasn’t. The problem is, that when people say, “Latino” in this country, they’re assuming it means “Mexican/Central American” out here because that’s where 90% are from. It’s a different story in Florida, but not for long.

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Point of information. Mexico is North America.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:

It’s much better to be purposefully and willfully ignorant, right sloth?

This is much too common with you. You imply your opponent doesn’t know something, but never get around to pointing out what that is.

Nobody but you is arguing the defintion of “proxy.” I’m not sure how that has escaped you this far.

Feel free to look up why it is used as a proxy. Feel free to look up why some people think it’s a bad proxy. Simply stating “that’s piss poor” and “it’s not real science” is…well…being ignorant.

I won’t waste my time explaining it because I’m fairly certain you won’t make the effort to learn. I’m not going to spoon feed you.

Did you even open the link above? What did it say about this very topic?

Oh for cripes sake. You brought up language as an indirect indicator of assimilation. A proxy. For the population we’re talking about, we’re arguing achievment gaps have proven to be multigenerational, soaking up a crap ton of resources to address. It’s pretty simple, really. Even if the rate of assimilation climbs for 2nd generations over time, because they learned english (I guess), and the achievment gap narrows to a new low, it still takes one extra generation. That’s assuming achievment of the 2nd generation could ever reach parity with the native white.

All this, while first generations continue to cross the border. As they continue to add to an already growing population, enforcing immigration law will be at the mercy of a rapidly swelling voter bloc. Mass amnesty will happen more and more frequently. And the future US will desperately try to keep up with the demand for schools, prisons, health clinics, and other institutions and services.

Immigration is fine, when we control it, when it’s legal, and when it’s orderly. And when the immigrant has come to be an unhyphenated American.[/quote]

Exactly, what we need to get rid of is all those damned lazy Irish-Americans

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There is a point of view that is being totally missed here, and that is from illegal Latinos. One of the facilities I stayed on my Federal vacation was an INS holding facility, it was the closest facility to my home. I used to talk with these guys who came illegally, and asked them what they will do once they get deported. They said, without hesitation, to come right back regardless of the risk of getting arrested again.

They did not care, not one bit, about getting locked up yet again. They would talk about how they get money for their kids, and how weak this government is for just allowing people to come into their country and basically give away free money to those who just had kids. Guys would talk (laughing while doing it) about how they had their wife literally walk into a hospital and just have their babies for free. I had asked them if they felt bad for taking money from the citizens, and they would reply with, “FUCK NO.”

Because to them, they felt that the government was giving it away for free. They had no regard for the law or the citizens of this country, having caused identity theft and forgery. I had to hold back my anger in front of them, because to them I am just another pinche gringo. Guys I am telling you, they have no regard, NO REGARD, for our laws or for our people. Chuckling away about the poor bastard who’s SSN they would steal, or plan to steal when they come back.

And like mentioned above, these are the people who give the hard working immigrants who want to come here the right way a bad name.

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[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
That’s assuming achievment of the 2nd generation could ever reach parity with the native white.

The ‘native white’? So even tho my skin is white and my eyes are green, I am not white and I was born here, I’m not a Native White? When is the native white going to catch up with the native asian or the native hindu, or even the native cuban? Please do do tell.

Can we just gas or ship off the Meztizos already, I get so fucking tired of being lumped in with the worthless eaters.

Anglos talking about immigration wouldn’t piss me off so much if the mezizos and aztecs weren’t even here.[/quote]

Well as they were here first, perhaps they should be the ones complaining.

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[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
Sloth wrote:
3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
That’s how it already is. There are engineers and doctors in my family who can’t even get a tourist visa to come to the USA. Most of the abhorrent worthless so-called ‘Latinos’ you see here, were either born here and descend from people who either came here illegally or who have been here for generations, or, came here illegally.

I’m just stating how I want immigration. Legal, orderly, and to fullfill a goal. Anyways, what’s probably most important about my statement is what’s not included. There’s no hesitation or second guessing about enforcing the law and securing our borders. Nor, any consideration of amnesty.

I agree with this policy. I just wish more people grasped how immigration policy truly is. So many ppl tell me stupid shit like, ILLEGALS JUST SIT ON THEIR ASS AND GET WELFARE, or, WE LET ALL THESE DUMB IMMIGRANTS IN.

Fact of the matter is, qualified latin americans have trouble coming here because of all the latinos who come here illegally, and illegals cannot apply for gov’t assistance. Maybe in the state of California they have pushed their way into some services but in the rest, not so.

Getting a US visa is very difficult. There is also this fucking lottery which just randomly gives VISAs out basically. I think that shit is so stupid.

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Exactly, when my daughter was born in Mexico to me (British by Birth) and my wife (dual nationality British Mexican) it would have taken us over a year to get her a US visa so we could travel through the US in transit (not even leaving the airport.) Instead of course we flew direct back to London to get my daughter her British passport. Now we can enter the US on the Visa Waiver.

For most people here in Mexico getting a visa to the US is next to impossible let alone immigration. This is obviously very different to a few years ago when the US was handing out 10 year visas to Mexicans without that much struggle.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
There is a point of view that is being totally missed here, and that is from illegal Latinos. One of the facilities I stayed on my Federal vacation was an INS holding facility, it was the closest facility to my home. I used to talk with these guys who came illegally, and asked them what they will do once they get deported. They said, without hesitation, to come right back regardless of the risk of getting arrested again.

They did not care, not one bit, about getting locked up yet again. They would talk about how they get money for their kids, and how weak this government is for just allowing people to come into their country and basically give away free money to those who just had kids. Guys would talk (laughing while doing it) about how they had their wife literally walk into a hospital and just have their babies for free. I had asked them if they felt bad for taking money from the citizens, and they would reply with, “FUCK NO.”

Because to them, they felt that the government was giving it away for free. They had no regard for the law or the citizens of this country, having caused identity theft and forgery. I had to hold back my anger in front of them, because to them I am just another pinche gringo. Guys I am telling you, they have no regard, NO REGARD, for our laws or for our people. Chuckling away about the poor bastard who’s SSN they would steal, or plan to steal when they come back.

And like mentioned above, these are the people who give the hard working immigrants who want to come here the right way a bad name. [/quote]

You do raise a good cultural point that I have noticed about Mexico. There is a real feeling here that if something is easy to take then the person who made it easy to take is just stupid and deserves to lose it.

In the UK in a number of supermarkets there are self service checkout lines. You beep your own items through then pay using an automated system. My Mexican friends find this absolutely hilarious. In Mexico the store would be bankrupted in a week.

One of the two Mexican Power companies has just been taken over due to being ridiculously badly run. There was a report on the news today showing streets where literally thousands of people had just hooked up to steal electricity from the Grid. The report was not laying the blame on the people, it was pointing out how stupid the company was.

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
There is a point of view that is being totally missed here, and that is from illegal Latinos. One of the facilities I stayed on my Federal vacation was an INS holding facility, it was the closest facility to my home. I used to talk with these guys who came illegally, and asked them what they will do once they get deported. They said, without hesitation, to come right back regardless of the risk of getting arrested again.

They did not care, not one bit, about getting locked up yet again. They would talk about how they get money for their kids, and how weak this government is for just allowing people to come into their country and basically give away free money to those who just had kids. Guys would talk (laughing while doing it) about how they had their wife literally walk into a hospital and just have their babies for free. I had asked them if they felt bad for taking money from the citizens, and they would reply with, “FUCK NO.”

Because to them, they felt that the government was giving it away for free. They had no regard for the law or the citizens of this country, having caused identity theft and forgery. I had to hold back my anger in front of them, because to them I am just another pinche gringo. Guys I am telling you, they have no regard, NO REGARD, for our laws or for our people. Chuckling away about the poor bastard who’s SSN they would steal, or plan to steal when they come back.

And like mentioned above, these are the people who give the hard working immigrants who want to come here the right way a bad name.

You do raise a good cultural point that I have noticed about Mexico. There is a real feeling here that if something is easy to take then the person who made it easy to take is just stupid and deserves to lose it.

In the UK in a number of supermarkets there are self service checkout lines. You beep your own items through then pay using an automated system. My Mexican friends find this absolutely hilarious. In Mexico the store would be bankrupted in a week.

One of the two Mexican Power companies has just been taken over due to being ridiculously badly run. There was a report on the news today showing streets where literally thousands of people had just hooked up to steal electricity from the Grid. The report was not laying the blame on the people, it was pointing out how stupid the company was.[/quote]

These are exhibits “A” and “B” of why we don’t need, don’t want, and can’t use any more Mexicans in the United States.

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
There is a point of view that is being totally missed here, and that is from illegal Latinos. One of the facilities I stayed on my Federal vacation was an INS holding facility, it was the closest facility to my home. I used to talk with these guys who came illegally, and asked them what they will do once they get deported. They said, without hesitation, to come right back regardless of the risk of getting arrested again.

They did not care, not one bit, about getting locked up yet again. They would talk about how they get money for their kids, and how weak this government is for just allowing people to come into their country and basically give away free money to those who just had kids. Guys would talk (laughing while doing it) about how they had their wife literally walk into a hospital and just have their babies for free. I had asked them if they felt bad for taking money from the citizens, and they would reply with, “FUCK NO.”

Because to them, they felt that the government was giving it away for free. They had no regard for the law or the citizens of this country, having caused identity theft and forgery. I had to hold back my anger in front of them, because to them I am just another pinche gringo. Guys I am telling you, they have no regard, NO REGARD, for our laws or for our people. Chuckling away about the poor bastard who’s SSN they would steal, or plan to steal when they come back.

And like mentioned above, these are the people who give the hard working immigrants who want to come here the right way a bad name.

You do raise a good cultural point that I have noticed about Mexico. There is a real feeling here that if something is easy to take then the person who made it easy to take is just stupid and deserves to lose it.

In the UK in a number of supermarkets there are self service checkout lines. You beep your own items through then pay using an automated system. My Mexican friends find this absolutely hilarious. In Mexico the store would be bankrupted in a week.

One of the two Mexican Power companies has just been taken over due to being ridiculously badly run. There was a report on the news today showing streets where literally thousands of people had just hooked up to steal electricity from the Grid. The report was not laying the blame on the people, it was pointing out how stupid the company was.[/quote]

This is exactly my point, just because I leave my front door unlocked, does not make it ok to come into my house. You run the risk of not making it out alive.

This sense of entitlement is ridiculous, the feeling of “we are poor and you aren’t and you have to pay for us” makes me sick. That which can be stolen is fair game with many of these people.