Mexican Loyalties in the United States

[PRCalDude]

. So unless, many hispanics get in situations where they can take the jobs that many white americans perform, this transfer of wealth is going to occur. Even if many Latinos do start getting into the positions you occupy, that growth will occur at the expense of the ‘majority’ population, and you’ll see your income drop while the hispanic one rises and we’ll even out.

I doubt it’s a zero-sum game at all. Really, the more engineers and scientists you have, the more innovation you have as long as we’re trying not to tax businesses into moving overseas. If Latinos start going into these fields, we’ll just see a lot more innovation. You’re making a Malthusian argument - the more people, the lower the wages. It turns out that the more of the right kind of people, the more innovation and the greater the overall slice of the pie for everyone.

But that’s the problem. I live in an area that’s overwhelmingly Mexican and have met very, very few Latino engineers and scientists.

Trust me, no one will be yelling, “Damn these Latinos! They keep voting for limited government and keep inventing stuff! We need to kick them out!” if they ever start doing such things on a wide scale.

Anyways about it howerver, in Florida, Latinos more than pull their share of the payment for social services often provided to ‘rednecks’ who live in the interior, or under educated urban blacks. So this situation is not unique to White to Mexican in California. I mean hell, Indians and Asians are disproportionately paying for this servics as well.

Again, though, you’re talking about Cubans when you say “Latinos in Florida.” Cubans have always come here and done well.

[3IdSpetsnaz]

[quote]
Trust me, no one will be yelling, “Damn these Latinos! They keep voting for limited government and keep inventing stuff! We need to kick them out!” if they ever start doing such things on a wide scale. [/quote]

[quote] Anyways about it howerver, in Florida, Latinos more than pull their share of the payment for social services often provided to ‘rednecks’ who live in the interior, or under educated urban blacks. So this situation is not unique to White to Mexican in California. I mean hell, Indians and Asians are disproportionately paying for this servics as well.

Again, though, you’re talking about Cubans when you say “Latinos in Florida.” Cubans have always come here and done well. [/quote]

So why don’t you start calling them Meztizos, Mexicans or Cali Mexicans rahter than Latinos when you talk about the negative aspects of the local Mexican American population.

I am Latino and don’t like being compared with people who aren’t from my nation or race, and have hijacked a name ‘Latino’ that applies to people from South Europe and not some Central American Jungle.

It’d be like if I talked about Anglos to include black people who spoke English and judged your racial/cultural character based on the actions of Black pimps, gang bangers, drug dealers, and crackheads who all had English names, spoke English and were probably some speckling white in their blood like 1/32 to 1/4.

Obviously you admit Cubans, and South American people for the most part are productive and peaceful, so stop comparing the real Latinos to the fucking Aztecs.

It makes you seem like some virulent racist against Latino people rather than someone pissed about the inequities in your local state.

It’s not just the ‘Latinos’ who are fucking up Cali anyways, the whole state is full of fucking freeloaders, be they hippies, illegals, gay partiers, meth heads, white trash, the perpetual leftist college students, uneducated black thugs, the thug supporters or all the endless worthless nationalities’ subgroups (ghetto Hmongs, and filipinos) that clog your state’s economic lifeblood like some kind of unstoppable cholesterol. None of this shit would even happen if your state wasn’t rule by a bunch of worthless emasculated leftist manfags and aggressive lopsided bulldykes.

Look at Texas, they aren’t half as fucked up as Cali and I believe have more Latinos percentagewise.

[PRCalDude]

[quote]So why don’t you start calling them Meztizos, Mexicans or Cali Mexicans rahter than Latinos when you talk about the negative aspects of the local Mexican American population.
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I do, don’t I? Don’t you see me writing “Mexicans” when I talk about this sort of thing? In fact, look at the title of the thread.

I am Latino and don’t like being compared with people who aren’t from my nation or race, and have hijacked a name ‘Latino’ that applies to people from South Europe and not some Central American Jungle.

Didn’t I say this earlier?

It’s like the term “Hispanic.” Do you like being lumped in with the Mexicans?

I was trying to say that you obviuosly don’t like it.

[quote]Obviously you admit Cubans, and South American people for the most part are productive and peaceful, so stop comparing the real Latinos to the fucking Aztecs.
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LOL. Guy, I wasn’t. The problem is, that when people say, “Latino” in this country, they’re assuming it means “Mexican/Central American” out here because that’s where 90% are from. It’s a different story in Florida, but not for long.

[3IdSpetsnaz]

Yah PRCal, I know were on the same page, but you were like saying your state’s problem were the fault of the Latinos in your most recent post, so it kind of touched home cuz everything you said is true. I remember you acknowledging all of these misnomers before, you’ve been real explicit usually on who you identify.

However, I don’t think it’s the fault of the Latinos alone, as I said, Cali is full of freeloaders and been governed by rainbow pussies for a long time. I guess Arnold and Reagan were the two lighted in the dark, but what can two men do and against an army of pansies?

BTW, I added to my last post, I don’t know if you saw it.

[PRCalDude]

[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
Yah PRCal, I know were on the same page, but you were like saying your state’s problem were the fault of the Latinos in your most recent post, so it kind of touched home cuz everything you said is true. I remember you acknowledging all of these misnomers before, you’ve been real explicit usually on who you identify.

However, I don’t think it’s the fault of the Latinos alone, as I said, Cali is full of freeloaders and been governed by rainbow pussies for a long time. I guess Arnold and Reagan were the two lighted in the dark, but what can two men do and against an army of pansies?
[/quote]

Well, I think the Mexicans think every white guy in California is some sort of “maricon,” and not without good reason.

It’s funny though, because the majority of the Mexicans actually voted for Prop 187 in this state but some white liberal Klinton judge declared in “unconstitutional” by (his) divine fiat.

Maybe we could re-enact WWII, but instead of it being Communists vs. Fascists, it could be with conservative whites on one side and liberals on the other. I’m kidding, if you all want me to be. LOL.

[3IdSpetsnaz]

Well, I think the Mexicans think every white guy in California is some sort of “maricon,” and not without good reason.

I think most urban college-age Anglos are ‘maricones,’ because of their bitch-made anti-depressant driven liberal mentality.

Maybe we could re-enact WWII, but instead of it being Communists vs. Fascists, it could be with conservative whites on one side and liberals on the other. I’m kidding, if you all want me to be. LOL.

I’d be down, alto, I’d be worried China would just invade and play America and take the whole place over…maybe that’d be for the better tho. 100 years ago we’d be talking about how the Chinese slapped some common sense into the corrupt misled California government.

[Sloth]

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:

It’s much better to be purposefully and willfully ignorant, right sloth?

This is much too common with you. You imply your opponent doesn’t know something, but never get around to pointing out what that is.

Nobody but you is arguing the defintion of “proxy.” I’m not sure how that has escaped you this far.

Feel free to look up why it is used as a proxy. Feel free to look up why some people think it’s a bad proxy. Simply stating “that’s piss poor” and “it’s not real science” is…well…being ignorant.

I won’t waste my time explaining it because I’m fairly certain you won’t make the effort to learn. I’m not going to spoon feed you.

Did you even open the link above? What did it say about this very topic? [/quote]

Oh for cripes sake. You brought up language as an indirect indicator of assimilation. A proxy. For the population we’re talking about, we’re arguing achievment gaps have proven to be multigenerational, soaking up a crap ton of resources to address. It’s pretty simple, really. Even if the rate of assimilation climbs for 2nd generations over time, because they learned english (I guess), and the achievment gap narrows to a new low, it still takes one extra generation. That’s assuming achievment of the 2nd generation could ever reach parity with the native white.

All this, while first generations continue to cross the border. As they continue to add to an already growing population, enforcing immigration law will be at the mercy of a rapidly swelling voter bloc. Mass amnesty will happen more and more frequently. And the future US will desperately try to keep up with the demand for schools, prisons, health clinics, and other institutions and services.

Immigration is fine, when we control it, when it’s legal, and when it’s orderly. And when the immigrant has come to be an unhyphenated American.

[3IdSpetsnaz]

[quote]That’s assuming achievment of the 2nd generation could ever reach parity with the native white.
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The ‘native white’? So even tho my skin is white and my eyes are green, I am not white and I was born here, I’m not a Native White? When is the native white going to catch up with the native asian or the native hindu, or even the native cuban? Please do do tell.

Can we just gas or ship off the Meztizos already, I get so fucking tired of being lumped in with the worthless eaters.

Anglos talking about immigration wouldn’t piss me off so much if the mezizos and aztecs weren’t even here.

[MaximusB]

Something to consider, no other country has a dual identity the way people in America do. You never heard the term African-Canadian or Hispanic-Canadian, it’s just Canadian. This divide people have here is really punishing to all. When I came here, I knew I would have to work to become American, and I wanted to. I wanted to learn about this country, the history, because I felt that that was the only real way I would melt into the melting pot. BTW, I think that term is not accurate, it’s more like a thawing pot right now. With each passing generation, people will melt further, automatically diluting themselves of their original culture to become what is American (whatever that is.)

Sloth brings up another good point, when immigration (legal or illegal) is out of control, it puts a huge strain on the city infrastructure. School, hospitals, housing, jobs, all come into play for the new population, and this is what we are seeing now. This government has avoided this immigration issue for so long, that it is now biting people in the ass. Before any kind of process can happen, the border and interior must be secure. If that means the Army on the border, so be it. The last amnesty was a huge clusterfuck, that just encouraged more illegal immigration. This is why I hate Liberalism, there are times that you cannot worry about pissing some people off. Some people will have to miss out, because like previously mentioned, if you let everyone into the country club, it does to total shit.

[PRCalDude]

[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
That’s assuming achievment of the 2nd generation could ever reach parity with the native white.

The ‘native white’? So even tho my skin is white and my eyes are green, I am not white and I was born here, I’m not a Native White? When is the native white going to catch up with the native asian or the native hindu, or even the native cuban? Please do do tell.

Can we just gas or ship off the Meztizos already, I get so fucking tired of being lumped in with the worthless eaters.

Anglos talking about immigration wouldn’t piss me off so much if the mezizos and aztecs weren’t even here.[/quote]

I think you’re going to find your campaign to be rather tough. No one remembers that the Cubans helped elect Reagan and Jeb Bush. All the GOP and Dems want to do now is pander to the Mexicans (who are overwhelming Mestizo/Aztec, btw). Whites are told they’re yesterday’s news. It’s going to be “All Mexican, All the time” from here on out. When people hear the word “Hispanic” or “latino,” they automatically think “Mexican” (which means “mestizo/aztec”) - you know, the ones they see appearing in mug shots on the local news every day after getting arrested for DUI and killing a family of 4 in a vehicular manslaughter.

Doesn’t make it right, but that’s how it is.

Sorry bro. Abajo Fidel.

[Sloth]

[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
That’s assuming achievment of the 2nd generation could ever reach parity with the native white.

The ‘native white’? So even tho my skin is white and my eyes are green, I am not white and I was born here, I’m not a Native White? When is the native white going to catch up with the native asian or the native hindu, or even the native cuban? Please do do tell.

Can we just gas or ship off the Meztizos already, I get so fucking tired of being lumped in with the worthless eaters.

Anglos talking about immigration wouldn’t piss me off so much if the mezizos and aztecs weren’t even here.[/quote]

Native, as in generations of citizenship. For a quick post like this, I think that brief definition will fit for how I’m employing it here. As for the Native white, it’s not a significant point for me. It’s only used a point of comparison. I don’t care what color or shape the new majority is. I’m a cultural-ist, not a racist. Cultures are not relative, to me. Whatever races make up the largest populations in the future US, I want to know they’ll carry on our founding ideals (though we’ve begun to abandon them), view themselves solely as US citizens, and can compete in the global economy as a top–if not the top–economic superpower. I don’t want a shrinking minority of taxpayers propping up a growing tax consumer population until it all falls down around them.

We should have our hands full enough with turning our energies and resources to the task of bringing up our own. Be that blacks, whites, or the children of legal immigrants.

[Sloth]

[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:

Can we just gas or ship off the Meztizos already, I get so fucking tired of being lumped in with the worthless eaters.

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Now, see, I don’t hate Mexicans. They have no less value as human beings than any of us. I hope they’re fully capable of turning their energies too improving and demanding improvement of their own nation. For their sake, and ours. But, a nation, our nation, has a moral responsibilty to it’s own citizens and national character (again, I don’t hold race, but culure as our character).

[3IdSpetsnaz]

We should just start a political party of, true American conservatives that panders to the ‘native white’ population and then like-minded latino-americans. You could probably win an election just with those two groups.

[Sloth]

[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
We should just start a political party of, true American conservatives that panders to the ‘native white’ population and then like-minded latino-americans. You could probably win an election just with those two groups.[/quote]

Self-governance, small government, local rule, with love for a strong common character isn’t an inheritable ideology, in my opinion. I hope everyone gets onboard.

[PRCalDude]

[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
We should just start a political party of, true American conservatives that panders to the ‘native white’ population and then like-minded latino-americans. You could probably win an election just with those two groups.[/quote]

Steve Sailer’s idea was to just call the Democrats “the Black Party:”

http://vdare.com/sailer/091004_rebrand_democrats.htm

Really, the best idea for winning conservative Latino votes would be to re-brand them as “The black and Jewish party.” It’s basically true. The GOP would lose 3% of the black vote and maybe 20% of the Jewish vote, both those are small numbers and would create an enormous wedge.

Basically, how it would work is the Mexicans (the biggest “latino” demographic with the most votes) wouldn’t want to be thought of as blacks by voting for “the black party” and they wouldn’t want to be seen as supporting the Jews by voting for “the Jewish party.” They like neither. So for the ones that are susceptible to this sort of thing (30% that already vote GOP plus the other ???% that wouldn’t want to be lumped in with blacks/Jews), the GOP could get their votes.

Giving the Mexicans more money in exchange for votes as GWB did in the presidential elections through Minority Mortgage Lending, NCLB, etc, really only got him about 5% more votes from the Mexicans.

We also need to work on making the GOP the party on the side of border sanity and fiscal responsibility again - the party of stone-faced accountants with green eye-shades and sharpened #2 pencils. LOL.

The future of conservatism after McCain: Green Eyeshades

[3IdSpetsnaz]

[quote]Sloth wrote:
3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
We should just start a political party of, true American conservatives that panders to the ‘native white’ population and then like-minded latino-americans. You could probably win an election just with those two groups.

Self-governance, small government, local rule, with love for a strong common character isn’t an inheritable ideology, in my opinion. I hope everyone gets onboard.[/quote]

I guess I don’t really understand what you mean by inheritable.
The US Latino Population is 75% Mexican and Puerto Rican. making the rest South American and Central American. So you’ve got like 4% of the total US pop possibly voting for this new party, ha.

[PRCalDude]

[quote]Sloth wrote:
3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
We should just start a political party of, true American conservatives that panders to the ‘native white’ population and then like-minded latino-americans. You could probably win an election just with those two groups.

Self-governance, small government, local rule, with love for a strong common character isn’t an inheritable ideology, in my opinion. I hope everyone gets onboard.[/quote]

Hope is not a course of action.

Look, you’re basically proposing that Mexicans - an exceedingly racist group - buy into a bunch of ideas of Dead White Anglo Males with the end result of getting themselves less public treasure. That’s not in their racial interests, especially when they haven’t caught up (and won’t catch up) to whites in high-paying, white collar jobs.

Yes, culture matters. But Mexico is the way Mexico is because it’s full of Mexicans. Cultural shifts do not happen quickly down there.

[Sloth]

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Sloth wrote:
3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
We should just start a political party of, true American conservatives that panders to the ‘native white’ population and then like-minded latino-americans. You could probably win an election just with those two groups.

Self-governance, small government, local rule, with love for a strong common character isn’t an inheritable ideology, in my opinion. I hope everyone gets onboard.

Hope is not a course of action.

Look, you’re basically proposing that Mexicans - an exceedingly racist group - buy into a bunch of ideas of Dead White Anglo Males with the end result of getting themselves less public treasure. That’s not in their racial interests, especially when they haven’t caught up (and won’t catch up) to whites in high-paying, white collar jobs.

Yes, culture matters. But Mexico is the way Mexico is because it’s full of Mexicans. Cultural shifts do not happen quickly down there. [/quote]

That goes back to my stingy immigration views. Mexicans, anyone, who went through my immigration process would at least be high school educated, possess a needed skill or trade, able to prove they’re financially self-reliant, and just show they’re readily employable. Ready to hit the ground running, in other words. I don’t mind immigration. When it’s served up in easy to swallow and digest bites

[3IdSpetsnaz]

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Sloth wrote:
3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
We should just start a political party of, true American conservatives that panders to the ‘native white’ population and then like-minded latino-americans. You could probably win an election just with those two groups.

Self-governance, small government, local rule, with love for a strong common character isn’t an inheritable ideology, in my opinion. I hope everyone gets onboard.

Hope is not a course of action.

Look, you’re basically proposing that Mexicans - an exceedingly racist group - buy into a bunch of ideas of Dead White Anglo Males with the end result of getting themselves less public treasure. That’s not in their racial interests, especially when they haven’t caught up (and won’t catch up) to whites in high-paying, white collar jobs.

Yes, culture matters. But Mexico is the way Mexico is because it’s full of Mexicans. Cultural shifts do not happen quickly down there. [/quote]

I think you’d find probably about 40% of the US Latino population would be supportive of conservative rule and a party such as this. I wonder what percent Bush and Reagan got of the Latino vote.

[3IdSpetsnaz]

That goes back to my stingy immigration views. Mexicans, anyone, who went through my immigration process would at least be high school educated, posses a needed skill or trade, able to prove they’re financially self-reliant, and just show they’re readily employable. Ready to hit the ground running, in other words.

That’s how it already is. There are engineers and doctors in my family who can’t even get a tourist visa to come to the USA. Most of the abhorrent worthless so-called ‘Latinos’ you see here, were either born here and descend from people who either came here illegally or who have been here for generations, or, came here illegally.

It is almost impossible to get a visa if you are unskilled, and uneducated, unless, you are some kind of Jew, or some African with aids who claims to be gay and facing a lynching Mubutamba.