Mexican Loyalties in the United States

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Anglos is short for Anglo-Saxons, Saxons include much of Germany.

Wrong. Sachsen is a small part of the east.

Most of the Germans here are from teh Palatinate:

This contributes to some of the enmity in between Mexican & Puerto Rican immigrants vs South American & Cuban ones. Many Mexicans & Puerto Ricans have a social mentality of entitlement that just sucks.

Well, we’re getting mostly Mexicans, not Cubans. [/quote]

I’d be down for getting some of the South African Rooiekat big trucks and jsut deporting all the fucking illegals. All dainty white liberals think that’s so cold, but if you can’t enforce your countries own laws, what is the point of evening have them? China doesn’t think deporting 30 million people impossible, but America too pussy to do that.

If I were leader, I’d just tell the illegals they were getting amnesty, and document and register them. Then have a night of the long batons, and run around smashing some faces in and dragging people out of their homes, and put them in some detention camps to be dealth with individually and repatriated in the cheapest way possible. Then just repeat till the fuckers got the point.

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Are Hispanics assimilating? Evidence points to “Yes.” Especially in the 2nd generation.

English[…]is quickly making ground
among immigrants[…it] becomes
more dominant than Spanish in the second generation.
http://pewhispanic.org/files/factsheets/11.pdf

Note: Language is a fairly good proxy for assimilation.

Why is language a “good proxy for assimilation?” I find this to be an extremely low hurdle.
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It’s not a “hurdle,” it’s a proxy widely used by economists and social scientists.

Run for president. I’ll be your David Axelrod.

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
I’d be down for getting some of the South African Rooiekat big trucks and jsut deporting all the fucking illegals. All dainty white liberals think that’s so cold, but if you can’t enforce your countries own laws, what is the point of evening have them? China doesn’t think deporting 30 million people impossible, but America too pussy to do that.

Run for president. I’ll be your David Axelrod. [/quote]

Ha. Sure alright, don’t know who David Axelrod is but I’ll google it.

I guess whites are called Anglo-Saxons because they are England, and the Frankish Kingdom region of descent. At least, that’s how I always thought of it. What would you rather I call Anglo-Saxons?

I don’t consider Italians, Bosnians and Greeks to be Anglo-Saxons.

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Are Hispanics assimilating? Evidence points to “Yes.” Especially in the 2nd generation.

English[…]is quickly making ground
among immigrants[…it] becomes
more dominant than Spanish in the second generation.
http://pewhispanic.org/files/factsheets/11.pdf

Note: Language is a fairly good proxy for assimilation.

Why is language a “good proxy for assimilation?” I find this to be an extremely low hurdle.

It’s not a “hurdle,” it’s a proxy widely used by economists and social scientists.

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No wonder they’re not real sciences. That’s like the lowest standard you can possibly use.

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Are Hispanics assimilating? Evidence points to “Yes.” Especially in the 2nd generation.

English[…]is quickly making ground
among immigrants[…it] becomes
more dominant than Spanish in the second generation.
http://pewhispanic.org/files/factsheets/11.pdf

Note: Language is a fairly good proxy for assimilation.

Why is language a “good proxy for assimilation?” I find this to be an extremely low hurdle.

It’s not a “hurdle,” it’s a proxy widely used by economists and social scientists.

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Once again, digging down into the data, we find that English dominant Latinos have almost the reverse voting patterns of whites (see the bottom of page 2, which is skewed more big-government due to the inclusion of blacks into the data). Latinos, Cubans excluded, know that big government is where their financial bread is buttered. America was intended to be small government, at least according to the Constitution, or at least the majority of “non-Latinos” see it that way.

In the last election, the vote went 55-45 in favor of McCain amongst whites (the majority). Amongst Mexicans, it went something like 60-40 Obama. The Democrats know this which is why they want more Mexicans in the country. This is supported by the Pew data.

We’re moving towards a single-party system as the country becomes less white and more Mexican, and voting is really the big thing, isn’t it?

[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
I’d be down for getting some of the South African Rooiekat big trucks and jsut deporting all the fucking illegals. All dainty white liberals think that’s so cold, but if you can’t enforce your countries own laws, what is the point of evening have them? China doesn’t think deporting 30 million people impossible, but America too pussy to do that.

Run for president. I’ll be your David Axelrod.

Ha. Sure alright, don’t know who David Axelrod is but I’ll google it.

I guess whites are called Anglo-Saxons because they are England, and the Frankish Kingdom region of descent. At least, that’s how I always thought of it. What would you rather I call Anglo-Saxons?

I don’t consider Italians, Bosnians and Greeks to be Anglo-Saxons.

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It’s like the term “Hispanic.” Do you like being lumped in with the Mexicans?

David Axelrod was Obama’s campaign advisor.

I don’t really understand what you guys even mean by Hispanics assimalating? Why do you need to assimilae in a place you’ve been for hundreds of years? I guess the real question is, do they have command of the English language? Do they work? Do they pursue education? Do they have low criminality levels?

Those are the real important questions.

I mean does anyone worry about Blacks assimilating? Are blacks assimilated yet?

[quote]It’s like the term “Hispanic.” Do you like being lumped in with the Mexicans?

David Axelrod was Obama’s campaign advisor. [/quote]
How bout, Brit-Germans? That’s what most fish belly honkey crackaz is anyways lol jp.

For real tho, I think Brit-German Americans would be an appropriate signifier.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Are Hispanics assimilating? Evidence points to “Yes.” Especially in the 2nd generation.

English[…]is quickly making ground
among immigrants[…it] becomes
more dominant than Spanish in the second generation.
http://pewhispanic.org/files/factsheets/11.pdf

Note: Language is a fairly good proxy for assimilation.

Why is language a “good proxy for assimilation?” I find this to be an extremely low hurdle.

It’s not a “hurdle,” it’s a proxy widely used by economists and social scientists.

No wonder they’re not real sciences. That’s like the lowest standard you can possibly use.[/quote]

You guys really don’t know what “proxy” means, do you? Maybe you both should look up this word. It’s not a “standard.”

[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
It’s like the term “Hispanic.” Do you like being lumped in with the Mexicans?

David Axelrod was Obama’s campaign advisor.
How bout, Brit-Germans? That’s what most fish belly honkey crackaz is anyways lol jp.

For real tho, I think Brit-German Americans would be an appropriate signifier.
[/quote]

I think a better question would be have the Irish, Italians, Poles, Germans etc assimilated to the culture that was in the country when they arrived?

[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
I don’t really understand what you guys even mean by Hispanics assimalating? Why do you need to assimilae in a place you’ve been for hundreds of years? I guess the real question is, do they have command of the English language? Do they work? Do they pursue education? Do they have low criminality levels?

Those are the real important questions.

I mean does anyone worry about Blacks assimilating? Are blacks assimilated yet?[/quote]

I think those are fair questions. We don’t all need to think the same and even be of the same ethnicity to get along.

The problem is, government has grown so large and there is so much wealth re-distribution that there is too much at stake. If one ethnicity decided they want to vote themselves more money from another ethnicity because they’re underperforming economically, then that leads to racial strife over time. If one ethnicity is forming racist criminal gangs that are running another ethnicity out of their old neighborhoods, I also see that as a problem.

Really, if the crime rates were the same and everyone left everyone else’s money alone, I don’t think anyone would care, at least not me.

The problem is, the Mexicans like to vote Democrat and the Democrats like taxes, especially personal income taxes and capital gains taxes. Capital gains and personal income are things we’ve achieved with the sweat of our own brows and our own planning and foresight, respectively. When I see that another race is voting for this group of people who are trying to take my money to give to them, it irritates me to no end.

Similarly, when I see that this same race is forming gangs that threaten my kids and me, I likewise get extremely bent out of shape because it’s me that goes to prison if I decide to handle the problem they create, not them. I also have to pay for the prisons to house them.

So, the reason everyone panics about things like illegitimacy and high-school drop-out rates is that those 2 things are the best indicators of how successful a person is going to be in life. On a group level, if one group is underperforming the majority in those areas, that group is going to require more welfare and imprisonment than the majority, which leads to more taxes for the majority. If that group is outbreeding the majority, it then becomes an even bigger problem.

People worry all the time about the blacks, btw. That was one of the impetuses behind the “No Child Left Behind” act - to boost black and “hispanic” (a misnomer, I know) educational achievement.

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Are Hispanics assimilating? Evidence points to “Yes.” Especially in the 2nd generation.

English[…]is quickly making ground
among immigrants[…it] becomes
more dominant than Spanish in the second generation.
http://pewhispanic.org/files/factsheets/11.pdf

Note: Language is a fairly good proxy for assimilation.

Why is language a “good proxy for assimilation?” I find this to be an extremely low hurdle.

It’s not a “hurdle,” it’s a proxy widely used by economists and social scientists.

No wonder they’re not real sciences. That’s like the lowest standard you can possibly use.

You guys really don’t know what “proxy” means, do you? Maybe you both should look up this word. It’s not a “standard.”

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If one substitutes “can speak english” for “assimilated,” that’s a piss poor standard.

While you complain about this. I feel you’d be more perturbed if there were many Latino owned major corporations in our nation that conducted business internally in Spanish language and were largely inaccessible to non-Latinos. Especially if these corporations threatened the hegemony of white {Anglo-Saxon, Brit-German, South European & Jewish) owned business hegemony.

I don’t understand what you mean that we are underperforming economically? For the most part Latinos are about average.

Much of the Mexican American street crime is caused by failed deportation policies of the past, that resulted in children without fathers or homes. Deport the parents leave the children. I’m not saying that as an excuse but this is not something linked to race as much as circumstance.

There are neo-nazi gangs, white supremacists and militias who’d annihilate the non-white population of this country in a heart beat, but people don’t use that to reflect upon your whole group. It’s not really fair to associate all Latinos with criminality.

Honestly, if Latinos had self-administration we’d probably squash crime more effective than the leftist liberal administrators that come up with anti-crime policies.

What I don’t understand is, why show allegiance to a country that failed you? When people come here from Mexico “wanting a better life,” but still wave the Mexican flag in the streets, I just wonder…WHY?

Mexico and it’s failure is why you came here, and you choose to not be appreciative of the opportunity (however big or small that is) that the US provides, it is still better than what Mexico has to offer. This is a main reason why people are so against some kind of amnesty or legalization. The US is good enough to educate your kids (for free), give you free healthcare, give you welfare and government assistance for your kids, but still not good enough to wave our US flag? All that I just mentioned is more than the Mexican government offers it’s people, and that is a huge slap in all our faces.

Well you and I have a similar outlook, because with the resources the USA has and the social environment, we have the resources to crush the gang problem with an iron fist. However, the administration will not allow that. Things have not gotten as bad here as say, Brazil. Where social environment is so upside down, it is impossible to destroy the gangs, and the landscape is not socioeconomic war as much as race war.

[quote]
So, the reason everyone panics about things like illegitimacy and high-school drop-out rates is that those 2 things are the best indicators of how successful a person is going to be in life. On a group level, if one group is underperforming the majority in those areas, that group is going to require more welfare and imprisonment than the majority, which leads to more taxes for the majority. If that group is outbreeding the majority, it then becomes an even bigger problem. [/quote]
This is an issue. I’ve been exposed to the Latin Kings, and was courted by them when I was younger. Always thought it was stupid. I’m not really sure what the solution is. I mean, there’s only so much money out there, unless I start printing money out of my basement, there is only so much currency out there. So unless, many hispanics get in situations where they can take the jobs that many white americans perform, this transfer of wealth is going to occur. Even if many Latinos do start getting into the positions you occupy, that growth will occur at the expense of the ‘majority’ population, and you’ll see your income drop while the hispanic one rises and we’ll even out. While people say capitalism is not a zero sum game, when you’re dealing in the curfrency coming into a locale. It pretty much is.

Anyways about it howerver, in Florida, Latinos more than pull their share of the payment for social services often provided to ‘rednecks’ who live in the interior, or under educated urban blacks. So this situation is not unique to White to Mexican in California. I mean hell, Indians and Asians are disproportionately paying for this servics as well.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
What I don’t understand is, why show allegiance to a country that failed you? When people come here from Mexico “wanting a better life,” but still wave the Mexican flag in the streets, I just wonder…WHY?

Mexico and it’s failure is why you came here, and you choose to not be appreciative of the opportunity (however big or small that is) that the US provides, it is still better than what Mexico has to offer. This is a main reason why people are so against some kind of amnesty or legalization. The US is good enough to educate your kids (for free), give you free healthcare, give you welfare and government assistance for your kids, but still not good enough to wave our US flag? All that I just mentioned is more than the Mexican government offers it’s people, and that is a huge slap in all our faces. [/quote]

The flag waving is for the same reason that every ‘American’ I meet wants to tell me about the tiny village in Yorkshire that their family is from or how much they love the Irish Music of their heritage or wears a kilt to get married in. The US has only a very short history therefore most of the people in the US think of themselves as something else alongside American.

You wouldn’t get a British black person refering to themselves as African-British.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Are Hispanics assimilating? Evidence points to “Yes.” Especially in the 2nd generation.

English[…]is quickly making ground
among immigrants[…it] becomes
more dominant than Spanish in the second generation.
http://pewhispanic.org/files/factsheets/11.pdf

Note: Language is a fairly good proxy for assimilation.

Why is language a “good proxy for assimilation?” I find this to be an extremely low hurdle.

It’s not a “hurdle,” it’s a proxy widely used by economists and social scientists.

No wonder they’re not real sciences. That’s like the lowest standard you can possibly use.

You guys really don’t know what “proxy” means, do you? Maybe you both should look up this word. It’s not a “standard.”

If one substitutes “can speak english” for “assimilated,” that’s a piss poor standard.[/quote]

“standards,” “hurdles,” “proxies”… Whatever. It’s all “not real science.” No reason to learn the difference between these things or the rationale behind them.

It’s much better to be purposefully and willfully ignorant, right sloth?

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

It’s much better to be purposefully and willfully ignorant, right sloth?

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This is much too common with you. You imply your opponent doesn’t know something, but never get around to pointing out what that is.

Nobody but you is arguing the defintion of “proxy.” I’m not sure how that has escaped you this far.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:

It’s much better to be purposefully and willfully ignorant, right sloth?

This is much too common with you. You imply your opponent doesn’t know something, but never get around to pointing out what that is.

Nobody but you is arguing the defintion of “proxy.” I’m not sure how that has escaped you this far.[/quote]

Feel free to look up why it is used as a proxy. Feel free to look up why some people think it’s a bad proxy. Simply stating “that’s piss poor” and “it’s not real science” is…well…being ignorant.

I won’t waste my time explaining it because I’m fairly certain you won’t make the effort to learn. I’m not going to spoon feed you.

Did you even open the link above? What did it say about this very topic?