Mexican Loyalties in the United States

[Brother_Chris]

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
I don’t necessarily agree with the thrust of the argument in that article.
That a less educated people will be the majority? A majority more favorable to throwing open the gates into the country even further? And all the social ills (crime, entitlement dependency, dwindling competitiveness in the world) with it? An exploding tax consuming base and shrinking tax paying base? The numbers seem to be on his side.

Yes it is a concern that certain groups are underachieving in US schools and yes this is something that needs to be worked on Well, it is the biggest threat to the future prosperity of this nation however the scores are improving and are higher than the scores were for the nation as a whole 30 or 40 years ago. As the article demonstrates, this will reverse. Change takes time. Time for what? This implies there’s an unchanging number of these folks we can take our time with (which we already have, along with a ton of money) getting them settled in before the next group comes running across the border. If the Imigrants were not coming into the country, would the whites be having more kids to do those jobs? Well, we have a whole bunch of government dependents that could use some honest work. But why just whites? Unemployed blacks shouldn’t have to compete with illegals for unskilled work. They should be able to fill these jobs and over generations of hard work, discipline, and saving, move up as a people. They had a ladder that needed climbing. But unfortunately, just as they were getting started, they began to be pushed aside. What jobs can’t be filled after all that, can be filled with an orderly and selective immigration proces.
[/quote]

This is why I think land owners should be the only ones (over a certain number of acres) to be able to vote. As well, let the immigrants come just stop taxes and welfare programs. We’d have private everything, which so far in my life tells me when it is private, it runs better.

[HG_Thrower]

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Well here are two MMA fighters who have white power type tattoos.

[/quote]

And do they do pre-fight videos glorifying and focusing on those tatoos? No? Ok then.

[HG_Thrower]

[quote]3hitter wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
HG Thrower wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
HG Thrower wrote:

I think this is a function of WHO is immmigrating from Mexico. It is primarily the lowest of the lower-class, with no education, and no FOCUS on education. If those kids stayed in Mexico, they wouldn’t speak or write Spanish well either.

That’s primarily who lives in Mexico. Most of Mexico is that way.

Interesting side fact: PEMEX, Mexico’s state-run oil company, is the only major oil operator that runs at a loss. This is despite tremendous productive wells both in the Gulf and onshore.

That is partly because the government artificially holds the price of gas low in order to make it affordable to the people and partly because unionisation has led to some absolutely bonkers working practices.

The current government is working hard to resolve situations like this and has just handed the running of Mexico City’s unprofitable electricity company over to the profitable national company CFE.

This is a little confusing. Maybe you could help me understand. If the government run PEMEX is running at a loss, (and yes I know oil prices are down), Than how do they resolve an issue of eletricity by turning it over to CFE, a state run company?[/quote]

PEMEX has ALWAYS run in the red, even with $100/bbl oil.

[PRCalDude]

[quote]HG Thrower wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Well here are two MMA fighters who have white power type tattoos.

And do they do pre-fight videos glorifying and focusing on those tatoos? No? Ok then.[/quote]

The fact that you had to connect that little dot for C_B is distressing indeed. It’s as if stream-of-consciousness verbal diarrhea just comes directly from his brain, into the keyboard and onto the screen with no checks whatsoever.

[Cockney_Blue]

[quote]3hitter wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
HG Thrower wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
HG Thrower wrote:

I think this is a function of WHO is immmigrating from Mexico. It is primarily the lowest of the lower-class, with no education, and no FOCUS on education. If those kids stayed in Mexico, they wouldn’t speak or write Spanish well either.

That’s primarily who lives in Mexico. Most of Mexico is that way.

Interesting side fact: PEMEX, Mexico’s state-run oil company, is the only major oil operator that runs at a loss. This is despite tremendous productive wells both in the Gulf and onshore.

That is partly because the government artificially holds the price of gas low in order to make it affordable to the people and partly because unionisation has led to some absolutely bonkers working practices.

The current government is working hard to resolve situations like this and has just handed the running of Mexico City’s unprofitable electricity company over to the profitable national company CFE.

This is a little confusing. Maybe you could help me understand. If the government run PEMEX is running at a loss, (and yes I know oil prices are down), Than how do they resolve an issue of electricity by turning it over to CFE, a state run company?[/quote]

Luz y Fuerza was a state owned company serving DF, it was very badly run. CFE is a state owned company serving the rest of the country, it is better run. Calderon liquidated Luz y Fuerza and handed the running of its assets over to CFE. Previously he had tried hard to get Luz y Fuerza to buck up.

Pemex is in serious danger of being broken up and privatized if they don’t improve their operating practices. It is already being talked about. The electricity thing is quite possibly Calderon making an example to try and force Pemex’s hand.

One other issue for Pemex is that they pay huge taxes, this caused them to borrow heavily to balance the books. Combined debt and tax payments are causing them to be in the red. The government in it’s turn relies on the money from the taxes to fund a lot of what it does.

It would also help if the US was not buying up stolen petroleum from Mexico.

[Cockney_Blue]

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
3hitter wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
HG Thrower wrote:

I think this is a function of WHO is immmigrating from Mexico. It is primarily the lowest of the lower-class, with no education, and no FOCUS on education. If those kids stayed in Mexico, they wouldn’t speak or write Spanish well either.

That’s primarily who lives in Mexico. Most of Mexico is that way.

Have you actually ever been to Mexico or are you basing this on watching Desperado a couple of times and watching Fox News?

I’d imagine it is an observation of what is taking place in America. We are not getting the best of Mexico or any country for that matter.

The “best of Mexico” is a small percentage of the actual Mexican population. Something like 80% of Mexicans thought their lives would be better in the US, which tells you how many potential Mexican immigrants there are out there.

Drive through Mexico and ask yourself how much of it you’d like moving here and you’ll have your answer. Mexico is the way it is because a lot of Mexicans live there.
[/quote]

I spent the last week on a road trip round Mexico with a friend from the UK. He was surprised at how much of Mexico he would happily live in.

[Cockney_Blue]

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
HG Thrower wrote:
Another sidebar, this dude Cain Velasquez is now hot shit in the UFC. In the pre-fight video sequences, they play up his Mexican heritage, the fact that his dad is an illegal, etc. Tons of camera close-ups on his “Brown Pride” tat. Now, what if Lesnar or Chuck Lidell showed up with a huge chest tat that said “White Pride”? Would they drool all over it like they do Velasquez? 'Fraid not. The guy would never get on TV without it being covered up.

Do you think he would get the same opportunity in Mexico? Or would be limited to that Nacho Libre shit?

The race issue is another thing that is just a dead horse. If you disagree with a minority, you are labeled a racist. However, if I went down to Mexico and was not given everything that illegals get here, I could never get away with calling them racists against whites. I would probably not be let out alive. Should I demand free healthcare, free education (in English), government benefits for any children I might have there once I crossed into Mexico illegally?
Where would Mexico be without the help of the US. I wonder, if illegals were not sending back money, what kind of catastrophe would there be in Mexico? Remember this is the #2 GDP for them. [/quote]

OK, I entered Mexico legally as a tourist but overstayed my tourist visa. I was working at the time (illegally) I then processed papers to get my stay made legal and am now a legal immigrant into the country. I get free healthcare, my daughter went to a state run nursery where she was taught English and I get government benefits.

[Cockney_Blue]

[quote]HG Thrower wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Well here are two MMA fighters who have white power type tattoos.

And do they do pre-fight videos glorifying and focusing on those tatoos? No? Ok then.[/quote]

If the UFC thought they could get away with selling them based on that to a group that was underrepresented in their viewers and desirable to advertisers then yes they would.

[HG_Thrower]

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
HG Thrower wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Well here are two MMA fighters who have white power type tattoos.

And do they do pre-fight videos glorifying and focusing on those tatoos? No? Ok then.

If the UFC thought they could get away with selling them based on that to a group that was underrepresented in their viewers and desirable to advertisers then yes they would.[/quote]

You’re making my point for me. Which is, that blatant racism/supremsim is considered acceptable and desirable IF you are non-white. If the UFC played up the white-supremacy tats on those guys, they would be boycotted, protested, sued, etc. So, why is it OK, even desirable, for one race to do something, and not for another?

[PRCalDude]

[quote]HG Thrower wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
HG Thrower wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Well here are two MMA fighters who have white power type tattoos.

And do they do pre-fight videos glorifying and focusing on those tatoos? No? Ok then.

If the UFC thought they could get away with selling them based on that to a group that was underrepresented in their viewers and desirable to advertisers then yes they would.

You’re making my point for me. Which is, that blatant racism/supremsim is considered acceptable and desirable IF you are non-white. If the UFC played up the white-supremacy tats on those guys, they would be boycotted, protested, sued, etc. So, why is it OK, even desirable, for one race to do something, and not for another?[/quote]

Essentially, C_B is arguing that there is a market for naked displays of racial pride amongst Latinos, so the UFC has decided to capitalize on this since racial pride isn’t really bad when brown and black people do it - only when those pale-faced devils do it.

Really, there may well be a market for displays of racial pride amongst whites in the context of sporting events. PeeCee codes have essentially outlawed such things. Upper class SWPLs like C_B would come unglued if the UFC, for example, were to discuss a fighter’s proud ango-germanic heritage and upbringing with him, despite what the blue-collar whites want.

[Cockney_Blue]

[quote]HG Thrower wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
HG Thrower wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Well here are two MMA fighters who have white power type tattoos.

And do they do pre-fight videos glorifying and focusing on those tatoos? No? Ok then.

If the UFC thought they could get away with selling them based on that to a group that was underrepresented in their viewers and desirable to advertisers then yes they would.

You’re making my point for me. Which is, that blatant racism/supremsim is considered acceptable and desirable IF you are non-white. If the UFC played up the white-supremacy tats on those guys, they would be boycotted, protested, sued, etc. So, why is it OK, even desirable, for one race to do something, and not for another?[/quote]

I guess I am, and I agree with you. I don’t agree with positive discrimination however stuff like hyping Cain or Huerta doesn’t bother me too much, it is advertising plain and simple. The same people who jump up and down about it are also normally screaming about political correctness gone mad when it is the other way round. They typically are just looking for things to be outraged about because that is their character.

At the end of the day, if it helps raise awareness of the sport here in Mexico then that is good for me.

[Cockney_Blue]

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
HG Thrower wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
HG Thrower wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Well here are two MMA fighters who have white power type tattoos.

And do they do pre-fight videos glorifying and focusing on those tatoos? No? Ok then.

If the UFC thought they could get away with selling them based on that to a group that was underrepresented in their viewers and desirable to advertisers then yes they would.

You’re making my point for me. Which is, that blatant racism/supremsim is considered acceptable and desirable IF you are non-white. If the UFC played up the white-supremacy tats on those guys, they would be boycotted, protested, sued, etc. So, why is it OK, even desirable, for one race to do something, and not for another?

Essentially, C_B is arguing that there is a market for naked displays of racial pride amongst Latinos, so the UFC has decided to capitalize on this since racial pride isn’t really bad when brown and black people do it - only when those pale-faced devils do it.

Really, there may well be a market for displays of racial pride amongst whites in the context of sporting events. PeeCee codes have essentially outlawed such things. Upper class SWPLs like C_B would come unglued if the UFC, for example, were to discuss a fighter’s proud ango-Germanic heritage and upbringing with him, despite what the blue-collar whites want. [/quote]

I would have no problem with someone discussing their proud Anglo German heritage. Marcus “The Irish Hand Grenade” Davis is free to go on about his Irish roots and no-one complains. The problem is that the phrase “white pride” is not associated with pride in being white so much as hatred of anyone who isn’t white.

For the record I have a George Cross on the back of my car. In the UK I wouldn’t do that because it has a different association there.

[MaximusB]

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
HG Thrower wrote:
Another sidebar, this dude Cain Velasquez is now hot shit in the UFC. In the pre-fight video sequences, they play up his Mexican heritage, the fact that his dad is an illegal, etc. Tons of camera close-ups on his “Brown Pride” tat. Now, what if Lesnar or Chuck Lidell showed up with a huge chest tat that said “White Pride”? Would they drool all over it like they do Velasquez? 'Fraid not. The guy would never get on TV without it being covered up.

Do you think he would get the same opportunity in Mexico? Or would be limited to that Nacho Libre shit?

The race issue is another thing that is just a dead horse. If you disagree with a minority, you are labeled a racist. However, if I went down to Mexico and was not given everything that illegals get here, I could never get away with calling them racists against whites. I would probably not be let out alive. Should I demand free healthcare, free education (in English), government benefits for any children I might have there once I crossed into Mexico illegally?
Where would Mexico be without the help of the US. I wonder, if illegals were not sending back money, what kind of catastrophe would there be in Mexico? Remember this is the #2 GDP for them.

OK, I entered Mexico legally as a tourist but overstayed my tourist visa. I was working at the time (illegally) I then processed papers to get my stay made legal and am now a legal immigrant into the country. I get free healthcare, my daughter went to a state run nursery where she was taught English and I get government benefits.

[/quote]

Well done for following the law, but how many illegal Mexicans do it correctly as you do?

[HG_Thrower]

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
The problem is that the phrase “white pride” is not associated with pride in being white so much as hatred of anyone who isn’t white.

[/quote]

I take “Brown Pride” the same way. ESPECIALLY after being witness to MESA and La Raza rallies in LA.

[Cockney_Blue]

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
HG Thrower wrote:
Another sidebar, this dude Cain Velasquez is now hot shit in the UFC. In the pre-fight video sequences, they play up his Mexican heritage, the fact that his dad is an illegal, etc. Tons of camera close-ups on his “Brown Pride” tat. Now, what if Lesnar or Chuck Lidell showed up with a huge chest tat that said “White Pride”? Would they drool all over it like they do Velasquez? 'Fraid not. The guy would never get on TV without it being covered up.

Do you think he would get the same opportunity in Mexico? Or would be limited to that Nacho Libre shit?

The race issue is another thing that is just a dead horse. If you disagree with a minority, you are labeled a racist. However, if I went down to Mexico and was not given everything that illegals get here, I could never get away with calling them racists against whites. I would probably not be let out alive. Should I demand free healthcare, free education (in English), government benefits for any children I might have there once I crossed into Mexico illegally?
Where would Mexico be without the help of the US. I wonder, if illegals were not sending back money, what kind of catastrophe would there be in Mexico? Remember this is the #2 GDP for them.

OK, I entered Mexico legally as a tourist but overstayed my tourist visa. I was working at the time (illegally) I then processed papers to get my stay made legal and am now a legal immigrant into the country. I get free healthcare, my daughter went to a state run nursery where she was taught English and I get government benefits.

Well done for following the law, but how many illegal Mexicans do it correctly as you do? [/quote]

Try re-reading my post, I overstayed a tourist visa and worked illegally. This is exactly what the majority of Mexican’s do in the US.

[roidrodeo]

[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
I don’t really understand what you guys even mean by Hispanics assimalating? Why do you need to assimilae in a place you’ve been for hundreds of years? I guess the real question is, do they have command of the English language? Do they work? Do they pursue education? Do they have low criminality levels?

Those are the real important questions.

I mean does anyone worry about Blacks assimilating? Are blacks assimilated yet?[/quote]

Fifth generation Texan here, just thought I would chime in based on shit loads of first hand experience dealing with this issue and many others like it growing up here. First of all it is fairly obvious that economic ideas brought over by Europeans (mainly) has helped a great deal in making America one of the strongest countries in the world. It is also fairly obvious that the economic ideas practiced in Mexico lead to an eternal shithole that is impossible to crawl out of (I know I’m generalizing but lets look at the big picture here people). When whites say they are unhappy with the way that many minority groups have not assimilated into this country I think most of them mean they are upset with the way many of these minority groups do not educate themselves to better themselves financially. I personally could give two shits if you want to listen to “your music” or eat “your food” when you are in the comfort of your own home or hanging out with others in your race. Many minorities need to realize though that in the business world we need to keep things along the lines of how we have always done things because bottom line, it works! I find that in South Texas the Hispanic majority will elect Mexican-American politicians because they feel they will better represent them but most of these people just end up changing things around so that they mirror the culture they came from… that is to say, the culture with a crappy economic structure that just does not work. As a result you end up with lowered expectations within the educational system, 2nd and 3rd generation “Mexican-Americans” who can barely speak English, and an endless cycle of poverty and welfare cases. As many of you have noted, the majority of this was in fact caused by pussy white liberals who came in and said ‘Oh no, we can’t force them to learn English. We have to educate them in Spanish in the public schools or else we aren’t respecting their culture’. If we can’t agree as to which system the country is ran on, that is to say, what language, what economic system, etc to simplify things then eventually this country will crater. And the fact that many 2nd and 3rd generation Hispanics are pursuing education more seriously doesn’t mean a whole lot when the “educational bar” has been lowered so much just to accomodate the first generation.

And yes, you are right 3ID. Blacks have done just a crap job assimilating to our economic ways as Hispanics have if not worse, but I think that will be a whole other thread.

[ronaldo7]

Mexicans and Central Americans are a shame to the Spanish speaking community in the United States, I refuse to call them Latinos just because I don’t want nothing in common with them. With that out of the way.

A lot of the “Mexicans” that cross the border are actually from El Salvador, Honduras etc…they simply migrate to Mexico and then to the U.S.

[orion]

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
sevenmoist wrote:
I have many mexican friends and co-workers, I can not believe the racism in this thread, wow. I am half Russin and have family that speaks shitty english, and yeah I am proud of it and I am loyal to them. So what is your beef op, and I stay in south fla, so I am not in Maybury.

You are not waving a Russian flag in the streets. [/quote]

And if he did, noone would recognize it, :-).

[MaximusB]

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
HG Thrower wrote:
Another sidebar, this dude Cain Velasquez is now hot shit in the UFC. In the pre-fight video sequences, they play up his Mexican heritage, the fact that his dad is an illegal, etc. Tons of camera close-ups on his “Brown Pride” tat. Now, what if Lesnar or Chuck Lidell showed up with a huge chest tat that said “White Pride”? Would they drool all over it like they do Velasquez? 'Fraid not. The guy would never get on TV without it being covered up.

Do you think he would get the same opportunity in Mexico? Or would be limited to that Nacho Libre shit?

The race issue is another thing that is just a dead horse. If you disagree with a minority, you are labeled a racist. However, if I went down to Mexico and was not given everything that illegals get here, I could never get away with calling them racists against whites. I would probably not be let out alive. Should I demand free healthcare, free education (in English), government benefits for any children I might have there once I crossed into Mexico illegally?
Where would Mexico be without the help of the US. I wonder, if illegals were not sending back money, what kind of catastrophe would there be in Mexico? Remember this is the #2 GDP for them.

OK, I entered Mexico legally as a tourist but overstayed my tourist visa. I was working at the time (illegally) I then processed papers to get my stay made legal and am now a legal immigrant into the country. I get free healthcare, my daughter went to a state run nursery where she was taught English and I get government benefits.

Well done for following the law, but how many illegal Mexicans do it correctly as you do?

Try re-reading my post, I overstayed a tourist visa and worked illegally. This is exactly what the majority of Mexican’s do in the US.[/quote]

Bullshit.

Mexicans don’t get Visas, they jump the border. If you overstayed your Visa that’s your fault, but you corrected it to your credit.

[MaximusB]

[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
Mexicans and Central Americans are a shame to the Spanish speaking community in the United States, I refuse to call them Latinos just because I don’t want nothing in common with them. With that out of the way.

A lot of the “Mexicans” that cross the border are actually from El Salvador, Honduras etc…they simply migrate to Mexico and then to the U.S.

[/quote]

The funny part is how the Mexican Army sits on Mexico’s southern border and arrests those crossing it. Yet if we protect our border, we are deemed racist. You gotta love it.