Well-said. I did mention in the post that I took Milk Thistle, Hawthorn Berry, and CoQ-10 pre, during, and post. However, I listed that farther down so I can see how it would have been missed.
I hadn’t seen anyone running Policasonal if they were already doing CoQ-10. Do you really see the need for both?
Actually, I can probably answer my own question – without blood work, it’s hard to say.
This just backs up the point I made previously about people needing to get bloodwork done… something I did NOT do on my first cycle, like an idiot.
[quote]crews713 wrote:
A couple of my friends are on it cause some kid said it works. so they went out and bought it and one kid i talked to said he just takes it sometime whenever he works out and every other day he will take like 3 pills to go work out. i know a little about it and told them they r morons. and theyve never heard of an off cycle.
I’ve got a few Questions if u guys could help:
Whats PCT?
should you off cycle? (and with what)
will i break out like i did in M1T?
How many should i take?- im 160 lbs
Thanks…[/quote]
Sad! While this should be “caveat emptor” this is exactly why its been banned.
[quote]golfer44 wrote:
haha… PCT = Post Cycle Therapy… that means you take it AFTER your cycle… quite simple[/quote]
Thanks for the info. From reading all these posts ill prolly not take anything. i took m1t and it seemed to screw me up and got bad acne and my back has bothered me since around that time. (dunno if the m1t did it, or if its possibke)
@ The a-holes wasnt that hard was it?
and about my intelligence. i bet im smarted than you are and im only 18. im a senior in highschool and im one class away from my associates degree. so go die :}
[quote]crews713 wrote:
Thanks for the info. From reading all these posts ill prolly not take anything. i took m1t and it seemed to screw me up and got bad acne and my back has bothered me since around that time. (dunno if the m1t did it, or if its possibke)
@ The a-holes wasnt that hard was it?
and about my intelligence. i bet im smarted than you are and im only 18. im a senior in highschool and im one class away from my associates degree. so go die :}
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I’m glad to hear you have made the proper decision.
As for your last paragraph, well… had you used proper grammar, punctuation, capitalization, and sentence structure, your little rant may have been given a little more credence. Woops!
Teen Readers: I know its boring, but why not spend the money you’d use for Superdrol and go get a diet plan from a real nutritionist? I know its ‘so cool’ to ‘take gear’ but man, you’d pack on so much mass from a good diet and heavy training, you don’t even need the stuff!
I took Superdrol, and will again shortly. But I’m 52 years old! I’m a 4th degree BB and want to fight younger guys (no old ‘farts’ left to fight). SD will add about 10 lbs and give me more endurance. But I’m 286 pounds already, my growing is mostly done.
Here: Just eat 3 extra bagels every day, each one covered with peanut butter. Lift heavy. And forget the Superdrol!
[quote]PSlave wrote:
As my post indicated, I am planning on getting bloodwork done in the near future.
Everything I’ve read indicates that Superdrol does not aromatize, so I didn’t used an estrogen blocker during the cycle.
As for my PCT approach, the vitex extract in Alpha Male has been shown to be antagonistic to estrogen. I would imagine that this, combined with the fact that Alpha Male stimulates endogenous test production, would make it sufficient for PCT. I don’t know that any additional estrogen blocker would be needed.
I think the use of nolvadex by others was more of an insurance policy than as a necessity.
However, I am far from an expert. I am very open to thoughts, criticism, etc. If I am in error, I would definitely appreciate some feedback. What are your thoughts? [/quote]
I’m no expert either, I was just suprised that Alpha Male is sufficient to restart natural test production after a cycle of Superdrol, which I’ve read shuts you down something fierce. If it’s true, that is very cool. I’d still like to see your blood work results when you have it done, if you don’t mind sharing that is:).
I think you were smart to aviod ATDs/AIs as there have quite a few people claiming a link between them and delayed gyno due to an estrogen rebound. I have however seen a lot of logs where people have used SERMS post-SD with good results. But, if your protocol is sufficient that would be a very good thing since NOLVA is supposedly a bit rough on the liver and after an SD cycle I’m sure it could use a break.
[quote]jonnycashman wrote:
I’m no expert either, I was just suprised that Alpha Male is sufficient to restart natural test production after a cycle of Superdrol, which I’ve read shuts you down something fierce. If it’s true, that is very cool. I’d still like to see your blood work results when you have it done, if you don’t mind sharing that is:).
I think you were smart to aviod ATDs/AIs as there have quite a few people claiming a link between them and delayed gyno due to an estrogen rebound. I have however seen a lot of logs where people have used SERMS post-SD with good results. But, if your protocol is sufficient that would be a very good thing since NOLVA is supposedly a bit rough on the liver and after an SD cycle I’m sure it could use a break.
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Well, it could be that I’m taking a rather risky approach, but that does not appear to be the case. Everything seemed to be in order five weeks after the end of my first cycle, but appearances and feelings can be deceiving. So yes, I will get blood work done, definitely about six-to-eight weeks post-cycle. I may also get it done immediately after if the cost is not too prohibitive, just to do a comparison. I would be more than happy to post those results.
You bring up an interesting point about the liver. We all (well, those of us that can actually read) know how hard Superdrol is on the liver. Since I had never taken Nolva before, I hadn’t looked into it too much. I did not know Nolva could beat up on the liver. I would definitely agree that said liver needs a bit of a break.
Again, only time and blood-work will tell. I’ll happily post results when I have them.
Alright all, I promised it so here is how my Superdrol/Phera-Plex stack went:
3 weeks of 20mg of both. I took one tab with my first four meals of the day. I also took Milk Thistle, Saw Palmeto, and CoQ10 during the cycle and for one week after. I also forced water down ALL day long.
PCT consisted of the following:
-Nolvadex (week one 60mg, week two 40mg, week three 20mg).
-Clomid (50mg week one only).
-Carbolin 19 (max strength for all four weeks).
-Alpha Male (max strength for weeks three and four only).
Training: 4 days a week (two upper body hypertrophy’s, one lower body hypertrophy, and one full-body power day). Plus two 2-3 hour athletic sessions per week (snowboading). I only had one full rest day a week.
Diet was very clean. Six meals a day massive eating style. I ate three PC meals on TNG days. Two PC meals on athletic days. And only one PC meal on the non-TNG day. 3,500 kcals on non-TNG day and 4,500 kcals on TNG days. 1.5 grams of PRO/lb.
Gains: 13 pounds total with no discenable rise in bodyfat levels. Strenght went up on all lifts every single time I trained. I hit PR’s on Squats, Bench, and Deads on all three of my power days.
Negative side-effects: Painfull low-back pumps. I know this sounds more like a weak-ass complaint to those who haven’t experienced them, but they’re painfull! I could tell blood preassure rose and would get winded very easily. No increase in acne. Lethargy set in during week two. It got to the point to where I had to take a 1/2 hour nap post TNG. However, it was no longer a problem getting to bed on time! No sleep quality problems at all.
The painfull low-back pumps fully subsided two weeks into PCT. The lethargy went away one week into PCT. The feeling of being winded during TNG subsided two weeks into PCT.
Sexual side-effects: Libido increased during the first two weeks then steadily declined untill the beginning of week three of PCT. Once the Alpha Male kicked in it shot right back up. Even during the weeks libido diminished I could still perform with the GF, just not as often. Oh, and by the way, during the first week of PCT Peter North didn’t have shit on me! I attribute this to the Nolva/Clomid combo.
I have kept all but a couple pounds of the gained weight. I have not only kept but have increased strenght a wee bit since finishing the entire seven week cycle.
BTW, I’m 26 and ran a four week Superdrol cycle back during the late summer. That cycle was 20,30,30,40mg. I liked the Superdrol/Phera-Plex stack better as far as overall gains and less negative side-effects.
I would also like to add that I plan on doing the same stack in the near future. The only things I will change will be the addition of Hawthorn Berry and Celery Seed to the support supplement list. I will also start the support supps a week before the cycle begins and will continue running them for two weeks post-cycle instead of just one week.
I just finished a 3 week cycle of SD.I was very impressed with this PH.The only thing that sucked about the cycle was that I got a bad sinus infection but I continued taking the SD and training hard.
The most I had ever benched prior to this cycle was 265 and that was over a year ago.I benched 295 on this cycle.All of my lifts went up.I didn’t get to train legs the last week since I was so sick so I don’t have a one rep max on that.
My last day on SD was last wednesday.Tonight I trained chest tri’s and shoulders and hit 255 on the incline(PR).So I’m still retaining my strength!!!
i didnt expect it to be. i thought oh ok its just another bullshit supplement and tried it. then i started freaking out. this shit put me through all the side effects and gave me a gain of 11lbs. in 4 weeks. its been a month so far and no gyno so im happy with it. kept all my gains and strength.
went from benching an embarrising 245 to 335. i cant still put those numbers up today. next time i do a cycle im going to run it with dbol in the beginning to jump start it with my deca and sust cycle and end with test prop. def. good shit!
maybe it was just my nutrition. i did eat everything in sight and got all my essential vitamins, minerals, efa, amino acids, protein and rest. it was one of the few cycles i believe i did the right way. learned alot from it.
Gains: 13 pounds total with no discenable rise in bodyfat levels. Strenght went up on all lifts every single time I trained. I hit PR’s on Squats, Bench, and Deads on all three of my power days.
Negative side-effects: Painfull low-back pumps. I know this sounds more like a weak-ass complaint to those who haven’t experienced them, but they’re painfull! I could tell blood preassure rose and would get winded very easily. No increase in acne. Lethargy set in during week two. It got to the point to where I had to take a 1/2 hour nap post TNG. However, it was no longer a problem getting to bed on time! No sleep quality problems at all.
The painfull low-back pumps fully subsided two weeks into PCT. The lethargy went away one week into PCT. The feeling of being winded during TNG subsided two weeks into PCT.
Sexual side-effects: Libido increased during the first two weeks then steadily declined untill the beginning of week three of PCT. Once the Alpha Male kicked in it shot right back up. Even during the weeks libido diminished I could still perform with the GF, just not as often. Oh, and by the way, during the first week of PCT Peter North didn’t have shit on me! I attribute this to the Nolva/Clomid combo.
I have kept all but a couple pounds of the gained weight. I have not only kept but have increased strenght a wee bit since finishing the entire seven week cycle.
BTW, I’m 26 and ran a four week Superdrol cycle back during the late summer. That cycle was 20,30,30,40mg. I liked the Superdrol/Phera-Plex stack better as far as overall gains and less negative side-effects.[/quote]
I am going to start my Superdrol cycle in about 3 weeks. Ive used Mexican steriods years ago…you name it…I tried it.
Now, I have yet to figure out how this steroid would create these “low back pumps” I have read about. Can anyone explain that strange side effect? Never heard of it before this thread.
[quote]PtrDR wrote:
Now, I have yet to figure out how this steroid would create these “low back pumps” I have read about. Can anyone explain that strange side effect? Never heard of it before this thread.[/quote]
I too would be interested in the why. They’ve been mentioned in several other SD threads as well. I had a nasty case with the first cycle. I’m into my second week of a second cycle and have not yet experienced them… I imagine they’ll kick in in a few more days.
I attribute this to the Nolva/Clomid combo.