By the way, everyone is calling this a steroid, and for good reason. Would it be considered a class I or II?
not too sure about the classification. my PCT did include nolva at 40/20/20 and two other supps which i cant mention on here (not T-Nation products) so if you want them PM me. i will tell you that i did not use an AI though. too many stories of people having delayed gyno. everyone is tossing theories around about what caused it and even if the science doesn’t add up one thing is constant, they all used some form of AI in PCT.
I know that Cy and Tony both seem to think that this supp is shitty and not very effective but my experience was the opposite.
I’ve now begun PCT (a little early) and can only praise SD/MM. I’m not pimping the product just reporting, BTW. I gained 11 pounds at age 52 and lost some bodyfat. I felt great on the product and could kick myself for not beginning the BP routine before starting (which is why I started PCT).
I’ll now give my body a break, keep my cals high, and give it another go in about 6 weeks, when my TKD Tournament season begins. There’s someone I have in mind for my new-found strength, a cocky young fellow who needs a little dose of humility…heh, heh, heh!!
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
I’ve now begun PCT (a little early) and can only praise SD/MM. I’m not pimping the product just reporting, BTW. I gained 11 pounds at age 52 and lost some bodyfat. I felt great on the product and could kick myself for not beginning the BP routine before starting (which is why I started PCT).
I’ll now give my body a break, keep my cals high, and give it another go in about 6 weeks, when my TKD Tournament season begins. There’s someone I have in mind for my new-found strength, a cocky young fellow who needs a little dose of humility…heh, heh, heh!![/quote]
Dude, why do you want to fight me?
BTW, good job jumping off. make sure you go extra on PCT. Loading up on the needed supps is required. Take them during the end of PCT (weeks 4-6) if you want to prepare for your second, more informed round of SD.
Good luck in the fight.
Yeah I’ve been seeing a relationship between AI and delayed gyno as well,. I guess that makes my stockpiled ReboundXT all but useless. But I thought that Nolva was supposed to be an AI as well, albeit a non-steroidal one?
Anyhow yeah I’d be interested to know what other products you used PCT. I have a couple bottles of AX’s Perfect Cycle to go along with pct. It has milk thistle as well as a healthy amount of NAC and for the price, coulnd’t go wrong.
I appologize for using other brand names and products here on T-Nation. Not cool, I know. I meant no disrespect to the ‘nation’; I had just woken up and meant the previous message to be a PM. Guess I shoulda had the morning coffee first.
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
I’ve now begun PCT (a little early) and can only praise SD/MM. I’m not pimping the product just reporting, BTW. I gained 11 pounds at age 52 and lost some bodyfat. I felt great on the product and could kick myself for not beginning the BP routine before starting (which is why I started PCT).
I’ll now give my body a break, keep my cals high, and give it another go in about 6 weeks, when my TKD Tournament season begins. There’s someone I have in mind for my new-found strength, a cocky young fellow who needs a little dose of humility…heh, heh, heh!!
Dude, why do you want to fight me?
BTW, good job jumping off. make sure you go extra on PCT. Loading up on the needed supps is required. Take them during the end of PCT (weeks 4-6) if you want to prepare for your second, more informed round of SD.
Good luck in the fight.
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Thanks Rockscar,
You always give excellent advice and I truly appreciate it! And thanks for the ‘luck’!
HH
Well, I started my cycle this morning, i took 1 MM and a M1P and hit the gym an hour later. I was in the shower and my stomach was killing me i had to get out and have a seat when I got all dried off. WTF why would it do that ? should I choose another time to workout like the afternoon,
i have been eating Alot and drinking a disturbing amount of water. remember i am the 140 pound guy who posted about a week ago. i plan to up the dose to 2pills of each on week 2 and 3 then stop and PCT for a while.
??? thoughts ??? thanks
[quote]warhamster87 wrote:
Well, I started my cycle this morning, i took 1 MM and a M1P and hit the gym an hour later. I was in the shower and my stomach was killing me i had to get out and have a seat when I got all dried off. WTF why would it do that ? should I choose another time to workout like the afternoon,
i have been eating Alot and drinking a disturbing amount of water. remember i am the 140 pound guy who posted about a week ago. i plan to up the dose to 2pills of each on week 2 and 3 then stop and PCT for a while.
??? thoughts ??? thanks[/quote]
Your body does not seem to be ready for this, especially at 140. Did you eat before working out?
[quote]warhamster87 wrote:
Well, I started my cycle this morning, i took 1 MM and a M1P and hit the gym an hour later. I was in the shower and my stomach was killing me i had to get out and have a seat when I got all dried off. WTF why would it do that ? should I choose another time to workout like the afternoon,
i have been eating Alot and drinking a disturbing amount of water. remember i am the 140 pound guy who posted about a week ago. i plan to up the dose to 2pills of each on week 2 and 3 then stop and PCT for a while.
??? thoughts ??? thanks[/quote]
I had bad bloading from it. It was one of the worst sides, and I always got it right after lifing. I couldn’t stop belching and farting for like 2 hours. It is probably something you will just have to deal with.
Also, Don’t go up to 3 pills. In fact, you probably shouldn’t go to 2. The sides get much worse as the dose goes up. At your bodyweight, 1 pill should suffice.
Did you guys take it with food? As far as I know that’s the recommendation?
[quote]jdrannin1 wrote:
Did you guys take it with food? As far as I know that’s the recommendation?[/quote]
I took it about a 1/2 hr before my 5:30 AM lift, but I started drinking my protein at 5:30 as I normally do. So, not sure if that had an effect.
[quote]jdrannin1 wrote:
Did you guys take it with food? As far as I know that’s the recommendation?[/quote]
Yes , take it with fat. I took it with peanut butter. That’s what the company I bought it from says to do.
i Guzzled the pills down at 6:00 am with my On Whey, then popped 3 Hawthorn before I went to the gym. and had some Poptarts and breakfast stuff. I ate so much food at lunch and dinner i almost busted. and like i said alot of water ! I can see what you mean about the bloating thing. cause i had Gas during school and went to the bathroom every class break to unload some water. well i think im doing this right by…
EAting LOTS
2 scoops Whey in morning
2 scoops Whey in afternoon
2 scoops Whey in evening before bed.
Gym twice 6:00 Am and 8-9 Pm
Rest
1 Pill MM, 1 Pill M1P
6 pills hawthorn doses 1 morning 1 evening.
WATER
any other suggesting would be nice, like what to stay away from in the gym like cardio or light weights or what, im trying to bulk on this light cycle of MM. thanks again 4 all help
So what is the deal with the masterdrol, i know nothing about it but seem to have no side effects as of now. Ive gotten bigger, raised my bench tremendously and even stopped for a month and didnt lose much. What makes it a steriod?
Thanks.
[quote]Nutty. wrote:
So what is the deal with the masterdrol, i know nothing about it but seem to have no side effects as of now. Ive gotten bigger, raised my bench tremendously and even stopped for a month and didnt lose much. What makes it a steriod?
Thanks.[/quote]
Gat Damn I’m sooo tired of this frickin question. You are too late in your discovery. Welcome to the “I took steroids, so now what do I do” CLUB.
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Nutty. wrote:
So what is the deal with the masterdrol, i know nothing about it but seem to have no side effects as of now. Ive gotten bigger, raised my bench tremendously and even stopped for a month and didnt lose much. What makes it a steriod?
Thanks.
Gat Damn I’m sooo tired of this frickin question. You are too late in your discovery. Welcome to the “I took steroids, so now what do I do” CLUB.[/quote]
LOL - the innocence has been shattered!
Hah… i’m glad I started this topic because it seems to be getting a lot of questions… the same ones at that. Back to an earlier post, Like Rockscar said, you should definitely be taking MM with food, otherwise you get a terrible stomach ache. I finished my entire cycle with just a minor back pain for a couple days.
And for the person who said they just finished their cycle and didn’t see ANY gains in strength, I don’t know what the hell you did wrong. You should have seen gains withing by the end of the week. I took my cycle with 3 other people and everyone saw big gains.
I would try a new workout or some different supplements. Everyone’s body reacts differently to supplements.
Well, well, well, its Saturday, and i have been noticing that the test levels are very high and rising, due to the fact of the common “24 hour Boner” that everyone speaks of, GF loves it and i hate it, i have gotten stonger in the gym and i can start to tell that its kicking in , next week is week 2, and im upping the dosage to 2 pills each 20 MG of MM and M1P, so next week is going to be the real test to see if it works, sides are as follows…
MAssive erections
Bloating,
kinda hard to sleep.
Severe mood swings sometimes. Kids at school love my anger problem ! JK
I like it so far. and think its good gear. still need some tips for gaining size, i have gained 4 pounds since the start of MM and i eat ALOT of food. mostly crap though.
any tips would help.
[quote]warhamster87 wrote:
Well, well, well, its Saturday, and i have been noticing that the test levels are very high and rising, due to the fact of the common “24 hour Boner” that everyone speaks of, GF loves it and i hate it, i have gotten stonger in the gym and i can start to tell that its kicking in , next week is week 2, and im upping the dosage to 2 pills each 20 MG of MM and M1P, so next week is going to be the real test to see if it works, sides are as follows…
MAssive erections
Bloating,
kinda hard to sleep.
Severe mood swings sometimes. Kids at school love my anger problem ! JK
I like it so far. and think its good gear. still need some tips for gaining size, i have gained 4 pounds since the start of MM and i eat ALOT of food. mostly crap though.
any tips would help.[/quote]
School? How old are you again?