Methyl Masterdrol

[quote]firestanggt wrote:
Check out the revised versions of the massive eating articles that Dr Berardi did way back when MAG-10 came out. He mentions a study that was done on the cutting before bulking subject. It suggests that the leaner that you are the beginning o fa bulking cycle, the more likely you are to gain more lean muscle and less fat then if you start the cycle with a higher BF%.

None of that crap is available anymore except for the occasional bottle on ebay but the prices are high enough that you might as well just go with the real stuff. Even if you decided to just do an oral cycle, a moderate cycle wouldn’t be any harder on your liver then that methylated stuff.

Now when you say that eat big, do you know how many calories you are eating or do you just feel like you eat a lot? I know a lot of people who told me that they eat a ton of food but when they finally take my advice and calculate what they actually eat it’s often no where close to what they thought or what they need to gain weight.

Tranzlogic wrote:
I have a ? for all you EXPERIENCED guys.

I have been training for about 6 years. I started out 5’8 and 150 lbs naturally. After my first year I began to level off regardless of intake and routine. At that time I decided to use a cycle of MAG-10! After completeing the cycle as SAFELY as possible with PCT and etc etc.

I weighed in at about 180lbs! Needless to say I looked GREAT! Ikept most of my gains throught the months. But alas, a time came where some things came up and I could not work out for about 6-8 months and I lost most of what I worked so hard to achieve. I dropped abck to my normal weight and shape.

I have been training again for the past few years and again I am finding myself “topping off”. I always eat big, with no fast food or junk and I work out regularly and switch routines etc. etc.

With this in mind I have decided to take another and prob my last cycle of something. After doing research and reading countless reviews of supps I have finally decided that I believe MM is the one for me. I would most likely stack it with something the likes of Methyl 1-p, Alpha etc. etc. I would of course be using this with ALL the correct supps, herbs and so forth to complete this cycle as safely as possible. That is not my question here. My question is this:

I have for a long time had some junk around my mid section that I have never been able to burn away regardless of intake, workout, cardio routine etc. I want to do a high cardio routine with a Burning Agnet, something i have not done before as I alwasy prefer to be all natural.

Would I be better off doing this cut and burn before I take my cycle or should I wait until after my cycle and PCT then cut? As stated I am all natural so I don’t know alot about the particulars of the best orders in which to use supps.

Also if there is a better supp/stack that you think might suit my needs that perhaps might yeild equal/better gains with less sides please give me your input as I am open minded on the subject. Since I have made up my mind and some things are becoming increasingly hard to locate I would be interested in doing this and starting my self on pre-treatment asap.
Thanks Guys!

By the way, from training the past few years I now weigh about 165 instead of 150. But as mentioned I am having trouble getting passed this 165 regardless of intake or routine.

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Thanks for the info man. I def appreciate it. As far as “eating big” I try to get down about 3500 calories a day, give or a take a few because I do find it hard to be exact. I will admit that if I am not feeling good or not going to the gym that day I do not injest as much, but I still meet requirements. I am def not one of those people that easts a few meals a day and swears that I eat big. My diet consists of mainly powders (several times a day), fish, chicken, lean beef, lots of eggs, natural rice, lots of veggies with each meal and cheese when extra colories are needed. But I occasionaly indulge myself with some pasta, pork and other foods.

Okay like a few others I took Methyl Masterdrol without fully realizing exactly what it was. Several guys at the gym had taken it, and had good results. I don’t think they even took any PCT. I did a little research on it. I knew it was a pro hormone and I knew I needed PCT before, but most the information I found at first was sales hype probably from LG.

Anyways I did a 3 week cycle of the masterdrol @ 3 pills/day. I gained a good 15 lbs of lean muscle and went up dramatically in every excersize. I worked out like a mule.

My stamina was insane. I had no adverse side effects. Just a couple pimples on my arm and I was aroused alot more. I actually felt overall better while taking it. After my 3 week cycle of MM I took formadrol extreme on a taper cycle for 3 weeks for PCT.
week 1: 3 pills/day
week 2: 2 pill/day
week 3: 1 pill/day
It’s been about a week since I ended the PCT. I havent lost much if any strength. Though my stamina has gone down. Sex drive is back to pre MM levels which is high but not like while on MM.

During the past week after having a good experience on the MM (so far) I started researching other Pro hormones. That’s when I find all this other info that I wish I had read before. About liver, BP, and cholesteral protection. As well as GYNO! The gyno is what concerns me at this point.

I don’t have any signs at all of gyno, and my testosterone doesnt seem to be shut down. Course it’s only been a week off the PCT. I read that formadrol isn’t always completely effective and a person can have an estrogen rebound 3 months later that can lead to Gyno.

I have a pretty lean body mass so I’m at a lower risk, plus at least i did some kind of PCT. but still has me a bit paranoid. (Been touching my nipples alot)

I read about using Nolvadex for PCT. And another product called Letrozole that is supposed to work well if u develop Gyno.

Now for some questions… even though I already took the formadrol extreme should I buy the Nolvadex? If so, Should I take the Nolvadex immediately or wait to see if any signs of Gyno appear? Same questions for the Letrozole.

IS the generic Nolvadex the same? I would think so, just want to be certain. I appologize for the long post. And appreciate any input. ~Brent

Hello to all. I am new to T-Nation and hope the following posts will be of some help to those looking to use Superdrol or equivalent. I am not the author but in the interest of keeping someone from hurting themselves I dragging it here from another forum. Best of luck!
jchappj

Part 1 of 4

Superdrol for Dummies


I have compiled a few commonly asked questions new users ask before getting into superdrol . Please note that this thread is by no means makes you completely knowledgeable. I am not a guru on superdrol and have no hands on experience with this ph so please do not take this as the beacon of knowledge.

I am 18, I have had 4 years plus lifting experience, I feel I???ve reached a plateau and want to use superdrol:
I???ve heard this question over and over and would to prevent all those below 21 who want to use superdrol, or any other ph under the age of 21. This is basically inhibiting your body???s natural production of testosterone. Between the ages of 18 thorough 21, males experience the highest test production. If you feel you want to supplement, I would strongly suggest you look for Test boosters, like tribulus and 6oxo. Please note that this has nothing to do with your lack of so called maturity or the feeling that youngsters are careless. This is scientific and numerous studies have been performed in this regard.

I have just got my superdrol , how do I use it?
The safest way to use superdrol is to keep the dosage low. Start with a low dose and work your way up if you can handle the sides. All over the boards you can find people using superdrol up to high doses of 40mg. I would suggest the following cycle.

Week 1 ??? 10mg
Week 2 ??? 20mg
Week 3 - 20mg

I would personally never recommend over 20mg. 3 week cycles are proven to be safe and effective.

What times of the day do I take superdrol?
SD has a low half life, around 6-10 hours therefore make sure you plan your intake every 6-8 hours.
Different people have different opinions to this question. From what I’ve seen, the over all consensus is to take the first dose in the morning with an empty stomach with loads of water.
The next with your preworkout meal with good fats like EFA’s , Flax and fish oils, peanut butter. Superdrol takes a heavy toll on your lipid profile. A carb and fat rich meal would somehow help a little bit here. This is my opinion, others differ with it. Preworkout superdrol gives awesome pumps during the workout/weight training routine.

Does superdrol require a PCT?
Like every ph on the block SD needs a PCT.

Give me a sample superdrol PCT.

wk1: 40mg Nolva, 600 6oxo, 3 fenugreek caps, DHEA 200mg
wk2: 40mg Nolva, 600 6oxo, 4 fenugreek caps, DHEA 200mg
wk4: 20mg Nolva, 300 6oxo, 5 fenugreek caps, DHEA 100mg
wk3: 10mg Nolva, 300 6oxo, 6 fenugreek caps, DHEA 100mg

Part 2 of 4

Is 6oxo and Rebound XT good enough by itself for a superdrol PCT, most people say it is enough
No! By no means is 6oxo or Rebound standalone strong enough to restart the test production in your body. You need a SERM! Period!

Nolvadex is therefore ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY for an superdrolcycle. Please note its Nolvadex not novedex or nolvedex. Please look for Tamoxifen Citrate.
You can also use Clomid, some users feel this is good as clomid does a lot of good to your lipid profile.

Sample Clomid PCT

Day 1- 300mg
Week 1- 100mg
Week 2- 75mg
Week 3- 50mg

Clomid has worked excellently for me therefore I stop it in 3 weeks. It takes care of any testicular atrophy that may arise on cycle. Please do not use clomid for prolonged periods of time, it is detrimental.
You can look into combo cycles with both Nolva and Clomid in my PCT thread.

If budget permits you can also look into NAC.

Does running milk thistle along side superdrol inhibit gains.
No, silymarin does not inhibit any gains and does not have any chemical significance. It is purely for the liver. Its effect however is best in the preload and pct.

What are other good supplements I can run along side superdrol to combat side effects?
Red Yeast Rice- A fermented rice product, that is our best fighter against negative sides form AAS concerning cardiovascular damage. Comprised of nine different monacolins, which are naturally occurring substances that help regulate cholesterol levels. Along with sterols, and monounsaturated fatty acids, it packs a strong punch.
Dosage : 1.2g ED

COQ10- Although this is abundant in food sources, I feel it prudent to put on here. Not only does it show to help cardiac function, but it???s also imperative to be used with Red Yeast Rice. Can be used in combination with other cholesterol lowering supplements.

Celery Seed- A powerful anti-oxidant, shown to not only lower blood pressure, but may have cancer fighting properties as well. And there is evidence to show its ability in aiding the liver.

Hawthorne Berry: Also very useful to lower BP and keep it on check. A great on cycle supplement.
Dosage 1000mg ed on cycle.

Policosanol- A blend of fatty alcohol???s, shows great promise in its use as beneficial to cardiovascular health, to include the maintenance of healthy lipid profiles. There is also some theory to a synergistic affect with EFA???s.
Dosage : 20mg 2x a day

Saw Palmetto: The prostrate is one delicate part of your system that you do not want to affect under any circumstances.
SP @ 320mg/day

Part 3 of 4
Primaforce ProLiver or Liv52.
Sesathin
These supplements are very necessary ON cycle as well as in the PCT.

I took superdrol, its 2 weeks up, I still don???t see any change. Why?
Well, its not superdrol???s fault, there is some mistake on your part.
SD will not work if your lipid profile is all haywire.
Most people underestimate the simple dictum of eating heavy and eating right. Please make sure that your calorics are adjusted to your body weight and height. I do not need to comment on your nutrition, but make sure that you take in 1.7-2g of Protein /lb of body weight.Roughly around week 2.5 through 4 you should start gains of 1lb/day.
Make sure your carbs and EFA???s are at a maximum
You need to drink @ least 1.5 gallons of water while on superdrol.

My cycle is over, I have to keep my gains, how do I do it.
If you want to keep your gains, make sure you take nolvadex. You will lose a little bloat/size due to water retention. Its good to take creatine and nitrous based compounds or cell volumisers at this point to keep your gains. I have not used CEE, but am looking to do so in the near future.

I had a very satisfying cycle, my pct made me recover fine, I want to get back into another cycle.
Well,this is something I’ve seen in many people, the temptation to use m1t and superdrol. Sure it does give good results, but you’ve gotta understand that you have a life apart from bbing. Imho make sure you give a full two month gap between cycles. After all you’ve got just one liver to use for a lifetime.

I do not know where to get the necessary supplements/ chems for my PCT.
Please do not ask on the forums for sources. I will try to help you through secure mail or pm???s. READ! Most experienced users in their logs mention the brands of nolva they use, if some just had the sense to google them???

What are the important things I should know about Research Chemicals?

15.2 grams of Tamoxifen Citrate equal 10mg of Tamoxifen (nolvadex)
If a research Liquid manufactuer were unaware of this, and they suspend 10mg of Tamoxifen Citrate in 1 ml of solution and claimed a dosage of 10mg of Tamoxifen/ml then it would be underdosed to the tabs.

Of course if they claimed 10mg of Tamoxifen and added 15.2 grams of Tamoxifen citrate then they would be giving the correct dose of then 10mg of Tamox/ml relative to the tabs.

If they say 10mg of Tamoxifen citrate there not lying about the dose, it’s jus not as much as the 10mg tabs of nolvadex.

NOLVADEX_ (tamoxifen citrate) Tablets, a nonsteroidal antiestrogen, are for oral administration. NOLVADEX Tablets are available as:

10 mg Tablets. Each tablet contains 15.2 mg of tamoxifen citrate which is equivalent to 10 mg of tamoxifen.

20 mg Tablets. Each tablet contains 30.4 mg of tamoxifen citrate which is equivalent to 20 mg of tamoxifen.

So whatz the math?
0.5ml= 7mg tamoxifen
1.0ml=14mg
1.5ml=21mg
2.0ml=28mg
2.5ml=35mg
3.0ml=42mg
3.5ml=49mg
4.0ml=56mg
4.5ml=63mg
5.0ml=70mg

I am not a doctor and neither do my opinions construe medical advice. These are just my views after using and researching about this product and answering a number of queries from users who were as confused as me when I first started it.

Part 4 of 4

The superdrol checklist :

Superdrol 10/20/20
RYR 1.2g ed
Milkthistle 1000mg
Hawthorne Berry 1000mg
CoQ10
Policosinol- 20mg 2x ed

PCT:
SERM :Nolvadex 40/30/20/10
AI :R-Xt or 6oxo
Prostrate:Saw Palmetto 325mg

DHEA 200/200/100/100
Fenugreek
Clomid (optional)
RYR 1.2g ed
Milkthistle 1000mg
Hawthorne Berry 1000mg
CoQ10
Policosinol- 20mg 2x ed


Best of Luck!!
jchappj

does anybody know where I can get a bottle of the 90 capsules of Methyl Masterdrol? Thanks I appreciate it

I have one new bottle of AI Superdrol for sale. Unopened, sealed, etc. Exp. date next year. PM me if interested otherwise there are clones out there still available too.

Need advice!! Just got yanked off the cyp and freaked out!!! Went to GNC and my buddy works there gave me methyl masterdrol. Only been taking it for a couple days (4-times a day) Dont want to lose my gains,…and would like to continue gaining. Pissed off no more cyp. Dont know what Im doing with this methyl masterdrol,…please advise,…jammedup

[quote]Jammedup wrote:
Need advice!! Just got yanked off the cyp and freaked out!!! Went to GNC and my buddy works there gave me methyl masterdrol. Only been taking it for a couple days (4-times a day) Dont want to lose my gains,…and would like to continue gaining. Pissed off no more cyp. Dont know what Im doing with this methyl masterdrol,…please advise,…jammedup[/quote]

Is this for real?

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Jammedup wrote:
Need advice!! Just got yanked off the cyp and freaked out!!! Went to GNC and my buddy works there gave me methyl masterdrol. Only been taking it for a couple days (4-times a day) Dont want to lose my gains,…and would like to continue gaining. Pissed off no more cyp. Dont know what Im doing with this methyl masterdrol,…please advise,…jammedup

Is this for real?
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I read it, not sure what he means. What is “the cyp” ???

sounds like hes panicking, and if he is taking 40mg/day hes overdosing as well.

Not much we can do if hes so incoherent we cant understand what the problem is.

“cypionate”,…testosterone!!! The bottle(methyl masterdrol) says 3, to 4 capsules per day throughout the day. Im not incoherant,…i knew what the test was doing to me,…and what the side effects were,…dont know about this masterdrol

Nolva…dex!..“. to…come!!! ,%^,off,of,!!,.:';/”… cyle…isnt…their …a…stikie!.. on this an…,.,!:confused: prohoromonoes"…?"

See, I can butcher punctuation and words as well. :slight_smile:

[quote]Jammedup wrote:
“cypionate”,…testosterone!!! The bottle(methyl masterdrol) says 3, to 4 capsules per day throughout the day. Im not incoherant,…i knew what the test was doing to me,…and what the side effects were,…dont know about this masterdrol[/quote]

And your point is?