I never win nothin’. Just kidding, congrats everyone that won. Just so you know, I went ahead and bought Methoxy7 and started my own test a couple weeks ago, and you’re definitely in for a treat!
Holy Shit! After a long, hard day slaying dragons in the courtroom, I drag my tired ass up to the computer and on a whim decided to see what excitement was brewing on the Forum. Boy am I glad I did. I look forward to getting your e-mail. Meanwhile, thank you, thank you, thank you! You guys at T-Mag and Bio-Test are THE best!
Thank you for choosing me! I just purchased 4 bottles of MAG-10/4-AD-EC/Tribex to start my bulking cycle. But I’m more then happy to put that on hold to participate in this exciting experiment. I’m off to the gym tomorrow to have my body fat % measures and before pictures taken. Thanks again!
Cool,
This made my day, Thanks guys
What does a healthy, eager 25 yr old have to do to be included? I hate to cry the blues, but I have plenty of time to train hard and heavy, and would have been delighted to be a guinea pig. I’m finally at the point where I really know my body’s idiosyncracies and how to tweak to train strategically (many thanks to T-mag for that). Is there a particular criterion that I came up short on? Just curious…
Thanks Biotest…the results should be interesting.
Thank you, Bill.
Gosh darn stupid mother f@#$%!%@, I can never win!
Congrats, to all the lucky ones!
I actually start my own test about a weak ago, just started my second bottle. Monday is my weigh in and fat test so i can not give you any feed back yet.
Good luck!
Biotest & Bill, thank you for allowing me to participate in the trial. If it weren’t for John Berardi and his nutritional wit and wisdom, and if it weren’t for Biotest’s products, I’d be just another (slightly plump) hamptster running on the exercise wheel of life. . . working, sweating, working, starving, working, but making no progress.
Hey is there a different Matt S. besides me? I always use my full name and don’t recall another Matt. But seeing as you list others first and last names I bet it is not me. Can’t wait to here the results anyway! In faith - Matt
YAHOOOOOO! Man oh man! This is freakin awesome! I can’t wait! Thanks Biotest I’ll enjoy my experience as a lab rat. I mean how many lab rats get to have bubble gum 3 times a day!
Yeah an explanation on the “selection” process would be nice. I’ve been around here since the very beginning. I believe the only others who fit that criteria are Avoids Roids and Char-Dawg. Char-Dawg knew he wouldn’t be selected because he lives in Japan. Avoids Roids was given an explanation as well. It would be different if this was a “drawing” but obviously it is a selection process
You know, I didn’t win either. But I’m not going to bitch like some of you because I don’t want to piss them off so badly that they decide not to do nice giveaways like this anymore! Don’t bite the hand that gives you free Biotest supps! I swear, if T-mag sent you a free stripper some of you would gripe about her hair not being the right shade of blond! Stop whining!
I don’t know what to say Bill! Thank you so much man. This is an honor and I will uphold my end of the deal. As I have said many times: Bill Roberts is a man of his word (and so is tmag)!
Very nice! I’m looking forward to giving the new Methoxy-7 a try, especially at double dose. Bill and Biotest wouldn’t be funding this challenge unless they had more than a strong hunch that the results would be overwhelmingly positive. With approx 60 people and 14 bottles per person they are giving away over $25K in product at the T-Man discounted price. Of course their cost is lower, but even with healthy margins this won’t be be cheap for them. Thanks for selecting me and I look forward to reporting excellent results!
all I have to say is, unbelievable!!!
Muchas Gracias Bill. I guess the “over 21” box was so far in my past that I couldn’t see it!
Just wanted to say thanks to Bill and the Biotest staff.
Yessssss!!! What a great early Christmas
present. I am so looking forward to this study. Thanks Bill and everyone at Biotest.
Fair enough, asking about the selection process.
The purpose isn’t to give away free stuff, though I also like that aspect of it, but to obtain a substantial number of the most reliable judgments possible, and preferably evaluations from both men and women. Lastly, in the very first thread on the topic, some asked to be in and they were given special consideration. It was later posted that only those who already had asked, would get that consideration.
To me it seemed aspects involved were training experience, age, and being in an overall stable state. What I mean by that is, someone who has gotten themselves perhaps not exactly to a plateau, but to where further gains come slowly, and furthermore, where one is already so to speak acclimated to where they are at. If one is in a new condition, quite different from what one is used to, then one won’t be familiar with how things should go from that point, and therefore couldn’t be sure of the value of a supplement.
Lastly, it was important for those doing the evaluation to seem a representative sample.
So, in some cases, admirable accomplishments could be disqualifying. For example, let’s say someone has trained for 10 years, but nonetheless gained 30 pounds of muscle in the last year (yes, there were applicants like this.) It’s great that they did, but this is neither representative, nor a stable condition. They can’t be too familiar with what their training and dietary results should be at this new, drastically higher level of muscle mass.
Or, for example, someone may have done very well but be young. I know it sounds unfair, but a more physically mature person is less likely to have some great results that really are just due to youth. And something that will work well for a 25-year old or a 40-year old will work fine for a teenager or someone in their early twenties… but the reverse may not be true. Things just come easier at that age.
Also, in some cases standards were toughened perhaps a little more than necessary simply to get the number down to something reasonable though no specific target (59, which actually was much more than the about-30 that was originally planned). With any kind of relaxation of the criteria below, the number easily swells above a hundred.
So, the objective criteria were:
Over 21: yes.
Agree to conditions: yes. (Quite a few did not check this box, perhaps unawares, but there’s nothing to do about that. It could very well be that some people did not like the idea of perhaps having to give up some other supplement use, or having to stick with tried training and nutrition methods instead of being able to start something new, so they did not want to agree.)
Training experience: 7 years (average came out as 12 years).
Age, at least 25.
Muscle gained in last three years: no more than 20 lb.
Muscle gained in last year: no more than 10 lb.
Do you feel your gains have been good considering your level of training experience? Yes.
Then a few were added in because of having asked to be in on the very first thread, and then as a representative number of women were not included, women got in when having reasonable training experience (more than one year) and actually, all accepted were considerably more than that.
The one point that I know will sound most unfair is the age critierion, but other than that if it were higher and all else were the same then the numbers would have doubled and half would have had to be cut randomly, isn’t it true that you yourself would put more weight to a more mature person with no easy gains still ahead of them getting some great results, than someone just say 21 getting some great results over 12 weeks? The purpose of this is to get the most meaningful evaluations.