maybe the very fact that we are spiritually dead. Paradoxically.
While animals are physically alive.
And this is exactly where me and Tiribulus take separate roads.
[/quote]What does spiritually dead mean?[/quote] Ephesians 2:1-10 [quote]1-And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2-in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3-Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. 4-But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5-even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6-and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7-so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8-For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9-not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10-For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.[/quote]This confession 301 redirect once again is almost impossible to improve upon for it’s exceedingly accurate representation of gospel truth as revealed in the Christian scriptures.[quote]CHAPTER VI.
Of the Fall of Man, of Sin, and of
the Punishment thereof.
I. Our first parents, begin seduced by the subtlety and temptations of Satan, sinned in eating the forbidden fruit. This their sin God was pleased, according to his wise and holy counsel, to permit, having purposed to order it to his own glory.
II. By this sin they fell from their original righteousness and communion with God, and so became dead in sin, and wholly defiled in all the faculties and parts of soul and body.
III. They being the root of mankind, the guilt of this sin was imputed, and the same death in sin and corrupted nature conveyed to all their posterity, descending from them by original generation.
IV. From this original corruption, whereby we are utterly indisposed, disabled, and made opposite to all good, and wholly inclined to all evil, do proceed all actual transgressions.
V. This corruption of nature, during this life, doth remain in those that are regenerated; and although it be through Christ pardoned and mortified, yet both itself, and all the motions thereof, are truly and properly sin.
VI. Every sin, both original and actual, being a transgression of the righteous law of God, and contrary thereunto, doth, in its own nature, bring guilt upon the sinner, whereby he is bound over to the wrath of God, and curse of the law, and so made subject to death, with all miseries spiritual, temporal, and eternal.[/quote]THIS is what makes autonomous man autonomous. He seeks to explain reality and most especially himself in terms that at all intellectual cost does NOT include what I have brought above. He will talk himself into believing literally anything except that. He will comfort himself with what he sees as an overwhelming abundance of evidence to support him. (Satan will be most helpful in this regard.) He can’t help it. He is dead to God his creator the same way that the physically deceased are dead to this reality we are living in now. You will have questions which is perfectly fine.
BTW, Kamui is legitimately brilliant and has been very gracious to me, but our disagreement begins far before this discussion here.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
The observer, that which perceives and interprets its reality, is not an independent agent.
Without knowledge of self; without understanding of who you are, what you are comprised of, what your existence entails, you’re just shouting in the dark.
You don’t need a bible for this, or other religious studies. You don’t even need to have a college education, but you need to do something if you wish to understand.
Thought will take you to the gate, but only a silent mind can enter.
And that sounds very religious, doesn’t it?
[/quote]See what I mean Fletch. ANYTHING
