[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Karado wrote:
Way before scientists even speculated DM, Ancient Occultists already knew about this…nothing new.
Our bodies themselves are mostly “Dark Matter” per se… we’re all mostly empty space when observed sub-atomically, but our natural eyes deceive us, we observe each other in society as being mostly “matter”, but that’s bullshit, we are not mostly material substance at all.
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Yes we are…Our bodies are 100% material. Even if most of the material is air…air is not nothing.[/quote]I always find it amusing, in a good way, that no matter what we human critters start talking about it always eventually winds up in the realm of the philosophical. What is “space”? Is it nothing? We call it that because it’s a useful linguistic vehicle for conveying the concept of a region of our 3 dimensional environment wherein we don’t have a way of empirically verifying that anyTHING actually is. From a Christian philosophical standpoint I am rather convinced, but not incurably so at this point, that “nothing” doesn’t exist. An intentional double negative. The very definition of “nothing”, at least one meaningful to us, does not and indeed I would contend, CANNOT exist. From my again Christian philosophical perspective, the fact of this invincible resistance to definition does not in itself preclude existence, as we are neither the source nor the arbiter of ANY of the data or ANY of the interpretation of the data concerning anyTHING, anyWHERE, anyTIME. The absolute triune God of historic Christianity being alone this source and arbiter and the fact of His intellect infinitely surpassing ours in every way, necessitates that He knows alotta stuff that we don’t, see? The definitive answer to this question will, at least in this life, probably remain unanswered for any but Him.
This, in my view is a relatively minor philosophical point governed by others the direct pursuit of which is far more useful and productive.
Kamui, I can hear you thinking. I hasten to add that no, this does not render me vulnerable to the charge of pantheism. A galactically huge discussion that we are best off not embarking upon at the moment since our last galactically huge discussion is still awaiting my next very belated response. Also, when you read this (because you will not be able to resist this thread), As part of a class assignment from my church I am charged with the task of conducting a short interview with an unbeliever concerning their theory of knowledge, God, ethics etc. I would like to honor you with being the subject of this interview. I shouldn’t have to tell you that you will receive the utmost respect. I will quote you verbatim and you will be given an exact copy of what I will be turning in. No pressure and if you don’t want to, that’s ok.
Oh yeah. This should elicit some predictable snap responses about how science may one day indeed answer this question. It may also elicit 1 or 2 from others (like maybe Kamui) who have chased this a bit further and who do realize the enormous barriers between us and any potential answer to the immediately self defeating question: “is there such a thing as NOthing”? (or space if defined the same way?)[/quote]
Wait…you don’t believe that nothing can exist or does exist…this is huge Tirib…answer wisely. 