Metabolic Typing Diet

Diet and Nutrition
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I’m posting this message because I have found a lot of success using this diet. I’m not going to do a infomercial about it. If you are having trouble staying on your diet you should check it out.

metabolictypingonline.com

It examines things like bloodtype, autonomic nervous systems, oxidation rates, to give you a sample diet plan that will work for you. I’ve been dropping fat and feeling good after following the protocol prescribed for me. My wife eats differently because her body is different and she is losing abou 2 lbs a week.

l8r

walleye

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Hijack

Hey bro long time no see how life and the fishing etc…

There is also a great ongoing series on that type of diet on elitefts interesting read waiting for the last installment

Phill

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[quote]walleye49 wrote:
I’m posting this message because I have found a lot of success using this diet. I’m not going to do a infomercial about it. If you are having trouble staying on your diet you should check it out.

metabolictypingonline.com

It examines things like bloodtype, autonomic nervous systems, oxidation rates, to give you a sample diet plan that will work for you. I’ve been dropping fat and feeling good after following the protocol prescribed for me. My wife eats differently because her body is different and she is losing abou 2 lbs a week.

l8r

walleye[/quote]

how did you find your type the book has 20 some odd varibles

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Phill, can you give me the link to look at on elitefts. I’ve not come across the thread.

Spend the $40 and take the test online it’s great!

Dieting has always been tough! I mean nasty for me. However, now I’m eating the correct macronutrient ratio for my type and I’m losing weight, maintaining strength, and I don’t have cravings. I’m not craving the junk food like I was.

I’m pretty stoked about the whole thing. I buy so much boneless skinless chicken breast that my freezer is full. Fortunately I bought 120 lbs when the chicken market was down. I got it at one dollar a pound. I just had to restock and I had to pay $1.50 a pound.

I’m heading out to South Dakota fishing in June and in Florida in April. So I’ll be having some fun.

l8r

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Just take the test it costs about 40 dollars. They’ll give you your assessment. Then in 8 weeks they recommend taking it again to fine tune your type. I found that I didn’t have to because I was pretty dialed in the first time.

I’m slow oxidizer dominant. This means I need to eat food that will speed up my metabolism. They gave me a food list and I used to eat oats for breakfast but I always left 2 hours later being hungry. Now I sprout spelt berries. This is really easy. I get whole spelt kernels and put them in hot tap water then I put them in the oven with the light on overnight. By morning the berries are just starting to sprout. Then I boil them and eat them plain or with a little honey, or for dinner I’ll make pilaf with them.

Tons of veggies and chicken breast, turkey breast, and fish like cod or walleye.

let me know what your dominant system is I’d be interested in hearing your results.

walleye

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here you go look at the metabolic Typing 1 and 2 three is out as well cant find it they must be in the process of moving it from the current to the nutrition section and still awaiting #4

http://www.elitefts.com/articles/nutrition/default.asp

Phill

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So does the online assessment tell you if you’re PNS-dominant, SNS-dominant, slow oxidizer, fast etc.? Because the book didn’t do that…

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[quote]Brendan Ryan wrote:
So does the online assessment tell you if you’re PNS-dominant, SNS-dominant, slow oxidizer, fast etc.? Because the book didn’t do that…[/quote]

I agree. I was fairly dissapointed in the book, I felt it was way too simplistic. It pretty much divided you up into protein types and carb types and that was about it.

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I’m not a big fan of Wolcott’s work. His book is not that easy to understand and doesn’t really tell you much. It looks like he’s purposely witholding information so that you spend money on his online assessments. It doesn’t look like he has a real grasp on the differances between sympathetics/slow oxidizers, and parasympathetics/fast oxidizers either.

Dr. Guy Schenker, Dr. L. Wilson, Dr. Peter Eck, and Dr. Kelley’s work, can provide more info although many of them contradict each other and sometimes themselves as well at times.

A summary of metabolic typing:

Fast oxidizer (Fast twitch, power athlete)

  • Has strong thyroid (T3, T4) and adrenal cortex (cortisol) function
  • Low in calcium, magnesium, copper, and vitamin D
  • High in sodium, potassium, and usually zinc, iron, manganese, vitamin C, B-Complex, etc…
  • Low Ca/K ratio (High T3, T4)
  • Low Na/Mg ratio (High cortisol)
  • Needs extra fat to slow down thyroid and adrenal cortex function
  • Higher testosterone, and dopamine
  • Lower estrogen, and norepinephrine
  • Better at low reps for weights work, and power sports

Slow oxidizer (Slow twitch, endurance athlete)

  • Has weak thyroid and adrenal cortex function
  • High in calcium, magnesium, and copper
  • Low in sodium and potassium, and usually zinc, manganese, iron, vitamin C, B-complex, etc…
  • High Ca/K ratio (Low T3, T4)
  • High Na/Mg ratio (Low cortisol)
  • Needs less fat for energy to increase thyroid and adrenal cortex function
  • Lower testosterone, and dopamine
  • Higher estrogen, and norepinephrine
  • Better at high reps for weight work and endurance activities

Sympathetic Type (Explosive)

  • Strong adrenal medulla function (High norepinephrine)
  • Low in zinc, magnesium, vitamin A, B6, etc…
  • Usually high in sodium, B1, iron, manganese, etc…
  • A high sodium/potassium ratio
  • Needs more carbohyrates to slow down
  • Needs less protein to prevent overstimulation
  • Higher testosterone, and dopamine
  • Lower progesterone, and serotonin
  • Can handle more volume in training

Parasympathic Type (Relaxed)

  • Weak adrenal medulla function (Low norepinephrine)
  • High in zinc, vitamin A, B6, etc…
  • Usually low in sodium, B1, iron, manganese, etc…
  • A low sodium/potassium ratio
  • Needs less carbohydrates to prevent slowing down
  • Needs more protein to increase stimulation
  • Lower testosterone, and dopamine
  • Higher progesterone, and serotonin
  • Handles volume in training poorly and has a tendency to burnout and overtrain easily

Typically most fast oxidizers tend to be more parasympathetic and slow oxidizers more sympathetic. The thyroid and adrenal cortex tends to pick up the slack of the adrenal medulla and vice versa.

There’s also shades of grey with respect to each type. Some people are extremes while others are more balanced.

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[quote]Brendan Ryan wrote:
So does the online assessment tell you if you’re PNS-dominant, SNS-dominant, slow oxidizer, fast etc.? Because the book didn’t do that…[/quote]

Once you do the profile which is much more in-depth than the book it will tell you your type. Also if you are a balanced type it will give you types of food to eat with each other.

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[quote]Bri Hildebrandt wrote:
I’m not a big fan of Wolcott’s work. His book is not that easy to understand and doesn’t really tell you much. It looks like he’s purposely witholding information so that you spend money on his online assessments. It doesn’t look like he has a real grasp on the differances between sympathetics/slow oxidizers, and parasympathetics/fast oxidizers either.

Dr. Guy Schenker, Dr. L. Wilson, Dr. Peter Eck, and Dr. Kelley’s work, can provide more info although many of them contradict each other and sometimes themselves as well at times.

A summary of metabolic typing:

Fast oxidizer (Fast twitch, power athlete)

  • Has strong thyroid (T3, T4) and adrenal cortex (cortisol) function
  • Low in calcium, magnesium, copper, and vitamin D
  • High in sodium, potassium, and usually zinc, iron, manganese, vitamin C, B-Complex, etc…
  • Low Ca/K ratio (High T3, T4)
  • Low Na/Mg ratio (High cortisol)
  • Needs extra fat to slow down thyroid and adrenal cortex function
  • Higher testosterone, and dopamine
  • Lower estrogen, and norepinephrine
  • Better at low reps for weights work, and power sports

Slow oxidizer (Slow twitch, endurance athlete)

  • Has weak thyroid and adrenal cortex function
  • High in calcium, magnesium, and copper
  • Low in sodium and potassium, and usually zinc, manganese, iron, vitamin C, B-complex, etc…
  • High Ca/K ratio (Low T3, T4)
  • High Na/Mg ratio (Low cortisol)
  • Needs less fat for energy to increase thyroid and adrenal cortex function
  • Lower testosterone, and dopamine
  • Higher estrogen, and norepinephrine
  • Better at high reps for weight work and endurance activities

Sympathetic Type (Explosive)

  • Strong adrenal medulla function (High norepinephrine)
  • Low in zinc, magnesium, vitamin A, B6, etc…
  • Usually high in sodium, B1, iron, manganese, etc…
  • A high sodium/potassium ratio
  • Needs more carbohyrates to slow down
  • Needs less protein to prevent overstimulation
  • Higher testosterone, and dopamine
  • Lower progesterone, and serotonin
  • Can handle more volume in training

Parasympathic Type (Relaxed)

  • Weak adrenal medulla function (Low norepinephrine)
  • High in zinc, vitamin A, B6, etc…
  • Usually low in sodium, B1, iron, manganese, etc…
  • A low sodium/potassium ratio
  • Needs less carbohydrates to prevent slowing down
  • Needs more protein to increase stimulation
  • Lower testosterone, and dopamine
  • Higher progesterone, and serotonin
  • Handles volume in training poorly and has a tendency to burnout and overtrain easily

Typically most fast oxidizers tend to be more parasympathetic and slow oxidizers more sympathetic. The thyroid and adrenal cortex tends to pick up the slack of the adrenal medulla and vice versa.

There’s also shades of grey with respect to each type. Some people are extremes while others are more balanced.[/quote]

Good feedback man. He talks about dominance in his book and which systems are dominant while others are not. He also recommends taking the test 8 weeks after to reassess.

Frankly, If it takes people 3 tests to get there metabolic type dialed in that’s still less expensive than other options.

One thing I would like your opinion on since you have a much greater knowledge than I do about this subject. . . .

I came out being a slow oxidizer dominant and parasympathetic dominant. However, I’m not even close to the endurance athlete type. I do much better with the lower rep, low energy exercises and overtraining comes quickly. I feel much better with veggies and moderate protein than I do with high fat.

What other things out there help you dial in your type?

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[quote]walleye49 wrote:
Good feedback man. He talks about dominance in his book and which systems are dominant while others are not. He also recommends taking the test 8 weeks after to reassess.

Frankly, If it takes people 3 tests to get there metabolic type dialed in that’s still less expensive than other options.

One thing I would like your opinion on since you have a much greater knowledge than I do about this subject. . . .

I came out being a slow oxidizer dominant and parasympathetic dominant. However, I’m not even close to the endurance athlete type. I do much better with the lower rep, low energy exercises and overtraining comes quickly. I feel much better with veggies and moderate protein than I do with high fat.

What other things out there help you dial in your type?

[/quote]

Since you tested parasympathetic I’m not surprised you tend to overtrain quite easily. Increasing the protein/carbohydrate ratio may improve this. Getting testosterone, estradiol, and DHEA-S levels tested may also help run things along.

There’s other tests that can help dial in your type. Tests like the breath hold, respiratory rate, blood pressure, pulse, skin dermographics, gag reflex, and pupil size.

The best thing you can do is take an ongoing assessment on how you react to certain foods and exercise. A detailed log will help much better since you will have to fine tune it yourself regardless. The differant tests are just a general starting place in which to begin.

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I’m finding all this stuff fascinating. :slight_smile:

I just wish those folks at EliteFTS would sort their stuff out, cos I want to read parts 3 and 4 of that article!

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Seems like a scam. They want $40 (non-refundamable, it seems) for a test whose questions you cannot see until you pay.

I’d need to see some sample questions, e.g., “During your last blood work, enter the data for x, y, z.”

I’m not impressed.

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I’ve been on the Metabolic Diet For 2 Months with good results as far as weightloss, energy levels, and mood. I decided to take the assessment again to see if anything changed. They did but not that much. I’m still Slow Oxidation Dominant my new results are:

35% Sympathetic
40% Balanced
23% Parasympathetic
76% Slow Oxidation
23% Fast Oxidation

They recommend their supplements of course and recommend that I take Potassium Chloride. I only take one supplement and that is fish oil, about 2 Teaspoons or more a day.

And I’m eating Organic Yogurt with Pineapple Smoothies for my probiotics everymorning.

An interesting sidenote, I used to take Surge religiously during my workout and I noticed great results as far as strength, size, and recovery times. Now it makes me wonder how much of that is my Slow Oxidation Type. . . .

And I also got great results from the Power Drive . . . Which makes me wonder if both were helping my CNS and stress levels.

One thing that doesn’t work for me are HOT-ROX fat burners. . .They make me more tired and that’s to be expected if the adrenal glands are getting too stressed from the supplement.

And I’ve found out that if I take over 20 grams of whey protein at a time that I’m spray painting the porcelian (euphemism for diarrhea).

I’ve also found good sleep with ZMA supplement.

And in the past when my body was in the best shape I did high intensity workouts with high reps followed by massively eating carbs like potatoes, veggies, and lean meat like chicken.

I’m interested in knowing if I would need Potassium Chloride and how much. And what other supplements. I eat many veggies like collard greens, broccoli, squash, romaine lettuce, mixed greens, onions, peppers, garlic, and about 1/2 gallon of Organic Green Tea on a daily basis.

Should I try Potassium Chloride? And are there other supplements that would be good for me?

thx

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[quote]walleye49 wrote:
I’ve been on the Metabolic Diet For 2 Months with good results as far as weightloss, energy levels, and mood. I decided to take the assessment again to see if anything changed. They did but not that much. I’m still Slow Oxidation Dominant my new results are:

35% Sympathetic
40% Balanced
23% Parasympathetic
76% Slow Oxidation
23% Fast Oxidation

They recommend their supplements of course and recommend that I take Potassium Chloride. I only take one supplement and that is fish oil, about 2 Teaspoons or more a day.

And I’m eating Organic Yogurt with Pineapple Smoothies for my probiotics everymorning.

An interesting sidenote, I used to take Surge religiously during my workout and I noticed great results as far as strength, size, and recovery times. Now it makes me wonder how much of that is my Slow Oxidation Type. . . .

And I also got great results from the Power Drive . . . Which makes me wonder if both were helping my CNS and stress levels.

One thing that doesn’t work for me are HOT-ROX fat burners. . .They make me more tired and that’s to be expected if the adrenal glands are getting too stressed from the supplement.

And I’ve found out that if I take over 20 grams of whey protein at a time that I’m spray painting the porcelian (euphemism for diarrhea).

I’ve also found good sleep with ZMA supplement.

And in the past when my body was in the best shape I did high intensity workouts with high reps followed by massively eating carbs like potatoes, veggies, and lean meat like chicken.

I’m interested in knowing if I would need Potassium Chloride and how much. And what other supplements. I eat many veggies like collard greens, broccoli, squash, romaine lettuce, mixed greens, onions, peppers, garlic, and about 1/2 gallon of Organic Green Tea on a daily basis.

Should I try Potassium Chloride? And are there other supplements that would be good for me?

thx
[/quote]

Being a slow oxidizer you would most likely be deficient in potassium. However the supplements that are sold are usually in small amounts, around 99mg, which really isn’t that much. You’d be better off trying to get more potassium in your regular diet.

Supplements that are good for a slow oxidizer are manganese, iron (if low), zinc, selenium, iodine, vitamin C, B-complex, etc…

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Walleye,

What method of testing do they use on the metabolic typing website? Is it a questionnaire similar to the book?

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Bri, are you holding a ray in your avatar???

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[quote]Bri Hildebrandt wrote:
Walleye,

What method of testing do they use on the metabolic typing website? Is it a questionnaire similar to the book?[/quote]

It is much more in-depth than the book. It goes into how many bowel movements you have in a day, what kind of movements, etc., and if you have fevers of 99 degrees or less.

I wish it explained more. For example, in the book they talked about drinking Orange Juice but then applied it to fruit juices in general. I answered that question no because I don’t like orange juice. But I do get a pick me up from other juices.

Personally, for $40 it’s a great assessment. I’m feeling more and more energetic and positive all the time. I heard it takes about a year for your body to fully recover from damage so I’m looking forward to health.

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Being a slow oxidizer you would most likely be deficient in potassium. However the supplements that are sold are usually in small amounts, around 99mg, which really isn’t that much. You’d be better off trying to get more potassium in your regular diet.

Supplements that are good for a slow oxidizer are manganese, iron (if low), zinc, selenium, iodine, vitamin C, B-complex, etc…[/quote]

I did a search and found a link:

http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/food/potassium-foods.htm

Now, no wonder I love Cod Fish, Apricots, Beans, Winter Squash, and Potatoes. They are all high in Potassium.

Zinc, low fat yogurt.

Selenium, Cod.

Iodine, Yogurt and Kelp Granules.

I’m going in to get blood work done In a month or two I’ll ask the doctor to get me a test done.