There are some fucked up parents out there who are raising their kids gender-neutral. Some of them call their kids “theybies” instead of babies. You never heard about this? Look it up.
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This is what a lot of younger people don’t realize, in most places gay sex was still a crime until recently. A few decades ago in Canada, Pierre Trudeau legalizes gay anal sex based on the idea that the state has no place in people’s bedrooms. Now his son Justin wants to legislate transgender pronouns. It’s like they say, you give them and inch and now they want a foot.
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Surely this isn’t common though. Seems like a very extreme thing to do. I don’t wish to judge these individuals, however I do vehermontly disagree with the notion of raising a gender neutral baby, biologically if the baby is born with a PENIS he should be raised a boy until an incident comes up that would require one to reevaluate. I think you and I agree on this though (well you might not agree with sex change operations for those who identify as the opposite gender, I don’t know, many people disagree with it, personally I’m fine with it)
I’m aware of the situation in which these things are becoming more and more extreme, and of course I do have a limit where I call bullshit. But I am more progressive than most when it comes to sexuality, and gender related issues. Needless to say I do think the whole transgender pronouns, babies being raised as gender neutral, gender neutral bathrooms etc. Isnt the norm, it’s not as if I hear about it during my day to day life, it seems to be a small minority of people who have the very extreme beliefs (just like the far right), therefore I don’t worry about it. The majority tend to over rule the minority when it comes to societal norms, hence why my favorites styles of music will never be integrated into society and properly accepted in mainstream culture
Fortunately it isn’t common, but it is happening. My kids go to a Catholic school (not because I’m into Catholicism, but mostly because they aren’t into this type of shit) and even there, there is a boy in senior kindergarten who wears nail polish, make up, sometimes skirts or tutus, and plays with dolls. My kids are 7 and 5, they both think this kid is crazy. Nobody is beating him up or anything like that, but the kids obviously see this as very strange. And I’m not teaching my kids to hate those sort of people, but I definitely tell them that certain things that people do are not normal and not to follow them.
There was also another kid who used to go to a daycare in my neighborhood, one of my kids thought he was a girl because he had long hair and wore a pink and purple snowsuit. It turns out his parents gave him his older sister’s clothes to wear. I don’t personally know these people, but they aren’t poor and the husband is a regional manager for a large corporation. How is it acceptable for a boy to wear his sister’s old clothes?
It depends, if the boy started wearing the clothes by his choice, and after a psychiatric evaluation it was determined there is some type of gender dysphoria, it may be acceptable in my opinion. Abnormal, but acceptable in my opinion, and again it depends on the age of the child. Daycare seems far too young
Now in kindergarten, it may be harmless fun, it should be up to the parents to intervene in some way, however I’m not sure what kind of intervention is appropriatene. You see if the kid was 14 I’d be against parents saying “no don’t do that you fucking wierdo”, however given the kid is in kindergarten age it could very well just be a case of harmless fun, in which case the parents could easily intervene and find the kid a better hobby. Because I highly, HIGHLy doubt there’s any kindergartners who are aware they’re confused with regards to their sexuality or gender, hell some guys (typically religious types, sexuallt repressed) don’t even figure out theyre homosexual until after MARRIAGES with kids!!! That’s a real Trainwreck when it unfolds lol.
Harmless fun can become lifelong confusion in cases like this. It sounds like child abuse to me.
I’m genuinely curious on your take on mall Santas.
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I can give you another example. When I was a kid I had a friend whose younger brother seemed to have some sort of gender confusion going on, he used to talk about how he wanted to be a girl when he grows up and stuff like that. He used to do weird things like exposing himself in front of people an so on. This started from a young age, maybe 4 or 5. His parents were furious anytime he did anything to that effect. Nowadays, there are people who would put him on drugs to block puberty and later transition him to “become a woman”, and if he had changed his mind it would be too late by then to reverse the effects of the drugs.
That same kid later stopped all his weird shit and is now married to a very pretty girl, and they have a kid too. Liberalism would have ruined his life.
I have heard several stories of pedo santas in recent times. I wouldn’t bring my kids to that.
I apologize, I think the quote function may have had an issue. I was meaning to ask @Beyond_Beyond specifically. Based on our discussions, I have a pretty good idea of where you stand on many issues.
I thought this was an open discussion, I didn’t realize you were sending private messages.
Interesting story, as I draw a different conclusion.
-He is now forced to live a life that is not true to himself to keep his family, and everyday lives a lie. If his parents had been more liberal, he would not be living a lie. Conservatism is ruining his life.
-He could have never stopped that “weird shit” and still gotten married (to a pretty girl or a man) and had a child. Cultural liberalism allow him to live his life.
-Or he is happy as he is now, and would have ended up that way because that’s who he really is. Liberalism would not have ruined his life.
But I’m guessing that really depends on what we mean by Liberalism. I assume based on everything else in this conversation you view that differently than me. I would accept my child as he/she is, which is a liberal position.
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No worries. I’m glad I could help alleviate the confusion.
That’s really fucked up to suggest that a happily married man would be better off having a sex change. And this:
Puberty-blocking drugs cause irreparable changes. Who he is now is not who he would have been.
Good thing that’s not what I said
Second, a lot of gay people get “happily married” to the opposite sex because of pressure from society and family. They live a lie for a long time and come out years later, that wouldn’t exactly be a new story. Considering how you mentioned how his parents reacted and how his social circle (people like you) view such things, I see that as a possibility.
And the sky is blue. Thanks for the info.
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DAmn this thread got HUGGEEE so fast.
Really?
And for the record, his parents didn’t seem to be particularly conservative people. It’s more that the gender-bending stuff was not accepted as normal at all at that time.
Yes really. Unless you are implying liberalism = believing everybody should have a sex change.
Let’s try it differently. You said liberalism would have ruined his life because he is married to a pretty woman. My point is just because he is married doesn’t mean is is straight, or isn’t gay or trans. In any of those cases, liberalism would not have ruined his life. If he is anything but straight, non-liberal views would ruin his life.
At no point am I saying he is better off getting a sex-change or that he should have gotten one.
@Drew1411 I like the south park avatar PC PRINICIPAL YEET
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My life wasn’t ruined because I got a whole bunch of hand-me-down pink stuff from my big sister when I was little. Pretty sure most younger brothers get handmedown pink stuff too.