Messed Up with a Girl. Help Needed

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mkay so “how immoral was it to ejaculate inside this girl without consent” ---------> “should gender neutral bathrooms be implimented” -------------> “are transgender people a risk to society” ----------------------> "is being homosexual/transgender immoral and do we want our kids to be raised in a world full of evil people who aren’t homosexual by choice, they don’t choose to feel that way, but they’re immoral and evil nonetheless (because apparently according to one guy on here homosexuality is immoral beacuse we still live in the 1840’s).

This thread has four different topics! What’s the record fro amount of topics thouroughly covered in one thread, this has to be approaching some sort of record right?

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You know what, the thing with you leftists is that you seem to live in a bubble. Most of the world doesn’t support this kind of stuff. Have a look at this article I just saw:
“Tanzania: Anti-gay crackdown in Dar es Salaam”
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-46048804

And I know you don’t agree with this, no comment is necessary. The fact is that this so-called LGBT stuff is only widely accepted in North America, western Europe, and the odd country here and there like Thailand. And even here in Canada, a lot of people think it’s going way too far.

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it is going too far with all the gender bullshit, like the fact that someone will argue with me saying that biological gender isn’t determined by the presence of male or female genitalia… that’s absolute bullshit, if you have a penis and testicles you are biologically male. However being homosexual isn’t immoral (in my opinion) the vast majority of the western world has accepted homosexuality has it not? I’m not left wing either, I’m somewhere in the middle.

Lemme just explain, if someone is gay, it doesn’t harm me and it doesn’t harm the community as a whole, the notion of hatred towatds homosexuals stems from religion, an outdated concept in my opinion, considering we aren’t in biblical ages anymore I don’t see any reason for someone to think someone deserves to be shunned for a variable that is beyond someones control.

Granted everyone is entitled to their own opinon as long as they don’t harm anyone

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Nice to see this thread going strong.

I am sure the OP is so proud.

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let’s make it to 10,000 posts!!!

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Over here they don’t really listen to what people want, they just have to follow their party’s policies. I live in a Liberal constituency, Justin Trudeau-Castro has required everyone in his party to support these LGBT policies as well as abortion. The previous Ontario premier (equivalent of governor), Kathleen Wynne, was the one who introduced the new sex-ed curriculum (which was partially authored by a convicted pedophile, but that’s another story) and in her own constituency there were ongoing protests and school boycotts, she refused to change her position.

There is the right wing “Progressive Conservative” party, but they are mostly a bunch of worthless neocons that want to give tax breaks to big corporations and stuff like that. The Conservatives won the last Ontario election and put the sex-ed curriculum on hold for now, but on a federal level they don’t seem much different from the Liberals when it comes to that sort of stuff.

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Let’s talk about this (if anyone wants to) when I was in the US, abstinence only sex education was preached, I don’t think it’s very effective as teenagers can usually see thorough scare tactics and dishonesty to some extent. Whether it curbs rates of teenagers having sex I don’t know, but the question is, what’s wrong with mid-late teenagers having sex anyway, sex is fun! With abstinence only sexual education the chances of teenagers having unprotected sex (far riskier within regard to pregnancy chances and STI transmission) are surely higher.

Does anyone want to talk about this?

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I don’t really want to talk about this, no, but you obviously don’t understand the issue here. It’s not that people are opposed to any form of sex-ed, it’s that they wanted to teach all this gender theory crap to little kids and teach the about stuff like anal sex in grade 5 or 6. The whole thing was fucked up.

Look up Benjamin Levin, he was the deputy minister of education and Kathleen Wynne said herself that he was personally in charge of this new curriculum. He is currently serving a federal sentence for child porn possession (maybe other stuff too, you can check). He was also claiming in some pedo forum that he fucked his own daughters and stuff like that, they denied it but who knows what was really going on. Do you think that someone like that should decide what kids learn about sex?

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Well, what can you do besides advocate for your ideas in a way that others find compelling, vote in elections and make sure to bring up politics at every possible occasion with your family and friends?

I suppose you can always move to Maine. Sure, we were one of the first states to legalize gay marriage (which I voted for), but we’ve also got the good fireworks (I mean the REALLY good stuff) and legal weed (which I’m told is of the highest quality).

We’ve got lots of guns too, and nobody who’s going to tell you that you can’t take a stroll across town with an AR-15 strapped to your back or carry as many handguns as you see fit concealed or even openly on your person. There’s really no limit. Strap up and stroll around. It’s A-OK here.

You can also come lift weights and train jiu jitsu with me and my tranny friend. He won’t get mad if you fuck up his name. I still do every once in a while. He will definitely choke you out, unless your grappling is better than you’ve let on here, but that’s part of the joy of training.

#freedom

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I do understand the issue here, I was just trying to switch the subject, I don’t understand why you have to consistently put me down for no good reason. Me stating that you tend to put me down isn’t me being a snowflake either, I’m just stating that I dislike it.

Define little kids? A mature 13y/o should be able to handle the concept, I was taught about sexual intercourse in school here in Aus when I was six years old, and nope that’s not an underexxageration, I don’t believe it was appropriate to teach me about it at that young of an age, however it didn’t do any harm either. I learnt about anal sex when I was about nine, although that isn’t the issue at point here, it isn’t as if kids don’t know about this stuff. Also define gender theory, are we talking about sex changes, transexuality or are we talking about the whole “there’s 52 genders” fiasco

I don’t think someone like that should be integrated into society at all, let alone teach children (or be around them, as the biggest demographic at risk from someone like that is kids).

When it comes to all this gender BS, I don’t know what the best option is, I’m not sure if it’s important to be taught or not. I wasn’t ever taught about trans people, I figured it out myself and I’m fine, I also learnt myself about all the BS going on like pansexuality (well some people will say it’s legitimate, I think it’s bullshit so whatever you’re opinion is that’s fine), gender fluid, non binary pangender people and whatnot. I get the feeling many of these individuals are just very, very, very confused, I could be wrong though. I’m not the most progressive person when it comes to concepts I don’t understand that can’t be backed up by scientific evidence. I was stating that I don’t think abstinence only sex education should be the go to for teaching sex ed. Education on STI’s, birth control, potential consequences arising from teenage pregnancy (potential mental health strain from either the pregnancy itself or abortion), masturbation, homosexuality should be standardized and taught in a non-biased, informal perspective as to let kids make their own decision. Yes, teenagers are irresponsible and typically impulsive, but when educated they can at least USUALLY make slightly more responsible decisions.

That being said (on all the gender stuff) if someone tells me they are pansexual, non binary or whatever, I tend to accept what they say to me at face value, while I may think it’s bullshit and I don’t understand it, who am I to say how another person feels, I can’t say, “no you’re not” unless they’re talking about their biology (like someone who has had a sex change telling me they were biologically born female even though they underwent a sex change, I’d say “no you were born biologically male and undertook a sex change operation, now you’re female, but on a biologic level, you aren’t, as you were born with a penis, not a vagina” obviously I wouldn’t be this blunt as I wouldn’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings but you get my drift. I’m not a “leftist snowflake” though I do have a very open mind and I’m willing to try understand to the best I can the issues other people have, however someone arguing that they’re biologically female when they aren’t or that they’re like five different genders is BS, it doesn’t make any sense.

And before you say “hahaha idiot you didn’t get the issue again”, I’m not trying to address the issue at hand here, I’m going off on a tanget with regards to a different subject

This thread has taken a fairly political turn lol

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There was no parallel drawn by me between Matt’s transgenderism and incest or rape in general. My example was about how wives can convince themselves of anything, if they are too scared to face reality.
In an earlier post I mentioned being disturbed by having trannies read stories to children with the kid sitting on their lap. Call me homophobic or transphobic but I don’t think its a good idea for someone’s young impressionable kid to be sitting on a stranger of any kinds lap. They call that sort of behaviour grooming.

Just because Matt Kroc or anyone else says something in a interview, doesn’t necessarily make it the gospel truth either. Many people massage the truth without even knowing they do it. Ever read an autobiography, and then compared it with a biography on the same person written by someone who was a bit more objective?

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“ Child grooming is befriending and establishing an emotional connection with a child, and sometimes the family, to lower the child’s inhibitions with the objective of sexual abuse.”

There, that’s twice you’ve drawn parallels between trans people and pedophiles. Grooming, as you used it, is an activity specifically geared towards that action.

And maybe Kroc is glossing over stuff, but you’re drawing a ton of conclusions about things that are directly refuted, like “I bet his wife didn’t know”, and how his children are negatively affected.

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Actually that’s the same example being used twice, so only once I have a drawn parallel with transpeople and pedo’s, that’s once and in a very, very specific example, not generally and definitely not related to Matt. And no I’m not apologizing for saying so. It is you who wants to think that I am saying that., about all transgendered people.
Do you have kids? If so would you let them sit in the lap of a stranger? I hope not that would be very poor form.

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Your issue is that it’s a stranger? Or a transgender person? Your story never mentioned if they were strangers or not. I don’t consider transgender strangers any different from strangers. I wouldn’t let my child sit in a strangers lap, but your story was about a child sitting in a trans persons lap, and now you’ve twisted your own words around by using a couple common logical fallacies - confusing association with causation, and straw man. You don’t have to and should not apologize for your beliefs and I did not ask you to. But you keep roping certain groups in with others and then asking questions and drawing conclusions based off of things that I didn’t ask, that didn’t happen, and that aren’t connected. That’s why I tried to end this conversation.

First, “kids are sitting in trans people’s laps, I’m not comfortable with that.”

Then, “kids are sitting in strangers laps, are you okay with that?”

Now, I can’t answer yes, because I don’t want my kids sitting in strangers laps, but I can’t say no, because you’ve now made trans people into ‘strangers’. Either they’re strangers or not - their being trans or not is irrelevant here.

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Its relevant in the example I gave. Maybe you haven’t seen the example I mentioned?
I’m not very computer savvy, so I can’t post a link. The last time I saw it was on a Gavin Mc Inness video, but its on others as well. It involves a class room full of little children, 2 or 3 drag queens(who may or may not be transgendered)(one dressed as a horned demon). Very disturbing, that someone involved in childhood education thought that was a good idea to organise and do.

Whilst all the non standard types of sexuality are not the same, they are all in the LGBTQ spectrum. They operate as a de facto political body, despite any similarities or differences.

Politically it started with decriminalization and tolerance. I was on board with that. That wasn’t enough, then they pushed for acceptance, and then celebration of the lifestyles, and then gay marriage. Now its dissolving gender. What next, there really isn’t anywhere else to go, but a really bad place?

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Would that be enough for you if your demographic were being persecuted? Would you not ask for acceptance? Honestly, you act as if they ask for anything that you wouldn’t, and you talk about them like they’re extra terrestrials. I think it’s disgusting that it took the land of the free 239 years to legalize gay marriage, so considering it was a big step in the right direction, I hope we can continue to do good things. Our moral compasses are set to different north’s, man. We’re past the point of debate into straight up difference of opinion.

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Well the first country in modern times to allow same sex marriage was the Netherlands in 2001. Several US states followed in the mid 2000’s. I don’t think thats too bad considering we are the most religious western nation.

I vaguely recall watching some documentary where several historians discussed a phenomena of societies moving towards cultural androgyny preceding collapse. Wether there is any actually connection eludes me but it is an interesting thought none the less.

I will say this though in my experience I have noticed a difference between a lot of the people who identify as trans today versus those who were coming out as trans 10 + years ago. The ones from 10 years ago had a totally different character were generally really nice people. Some of the most empathetic individuals I’ve met. Not surprising considering the treatment they received. They strongly wanted to adopt an identity based on being the opposite sex and worked very hard to transition and be accepted as such.

I’ve noticed many of these modern transgender people are very callous, entitled and often times downright nasty. Also unlike the previous generation a lot of them don’t attempt to fully embrace the opposite gender. Maintaining a blend of features from both sexes. I am not saying they have too. Just an observation. And I am not speaking about those who identify as non-binary. Although these people fit that non-binary mold but refer to themselves as trans.

Also I agree don’t let your kid sit on a strangers lap and don’t let strangers sit on your kids lap either, thats just weird. You don’t want your kid getting crushed.

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Change transgender, gay rights etc for something different like polygamy, or female genital mutilation. Those people strongly believe that their culture is the right way, and that they should be allowed to practice it in societies where these beliefs are anathema.

Where would you draw the line about what you would except? In everyone’s life there will come a time when someone else will want to change your way of life. One day your views will seem ridiculous to the youth of the future, despite that their views have no proven track record. The youth will think things have always been the way they are, and don’t have a good understanding of history. They will also think they are moving towards a utopia, despite the fact that conditions might have actually been better in earlier ages.

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I wasn’t trying to put you down at all, your previous post about how in the US they only taught abstinence made it sounds like you weren’t aware of what was going on here. In Canada they have been teaching a “secular” sex-ed for longer than I can remember, not simply preaching abstinence.

They want to indoctrinate children into gender theory starting around kindergarten-grade 1.

basically all that stuff and more

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This is a GREAT idea!!! We can have a bunch of super confused kids going around not knowing how to differentiate between someone who is biologically male or female. I’m ALL for it… Totally, can’t see any downside. While we’re at it why not teach kids about the concept of genocide too, I’m sure 1st graders can understand that concept.