Glad you took the important points from this experience.
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Omg that was funny
Interesting experience. I went to the mall with a friend and her baby girl. We went into the womenâs restroom and there was no changing table. So, we ventured into the family bathroom. Yup, there was the changing table. The world definitely isnât the same. I get the idea of having separate bathrooms. It just was different.
The situation is the situation ⊠itâs your perception of it that dictates whether you think itâs good or bad, both relative terms. Go read âMeditationsâ by Marcus Aurelius for some perspectiveâŠ
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re: bathroom issue
If a town, city, particular bar, whatever thinks this is a good idea, cool. If other areas donât want it, cool. In the US, I have not heard it suggested that this should be federally mandated in public spaces or anything like that. I could see some very extreme folks believing something like this should happen, but rest assured, itâs a SMALL minority here.
Personally, I wouldnât care about it in the least.
As a side note, I think there are a lot of people who have very stupid ideas about which restroom transgender people should use. The people who say âwhatever genitalia you were born with is the restroom you should useâ are fucking idiots. I have a friend who was born female, has gone through hormone therapy, and has a full beard today. Does not remotely resemble a female. You canât possibly tell me that the assholes who want to tell trans people how to live would be ok with this individual walking into a womenâs bathroom.
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Wasnât Obama pushing that? Or was it just that boys could use girlsâ bathrooms at school and vice versa if they say they are the opposite sex?
Perhaps they should just have three bathrooms instead: male, female, and LGBT/liberal? How do you solve this issue? It doesnât make sense to force the public to change their ways to accommodate a tiny minority, but what do you do for those sorts of people?
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This is actually very much what a democracy or republic (at least a successful one) endeavors to do in order to avoid a phenomenon known as the tyranny of the majority.
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Probably not, which is why I think trans people need to be sensitive towards other people and make reasonable choices. It canât be all-deference, all-the-time. My trans friend is jacked, can squat 400, bench in the low 300âs, looks like it and has a very, very deep voice. Other trans people can easily pass for a women and nobody will bat an eye. I could see some women being very concerned or even afraid of my friend in a restroom setting, even though they wouldnât need to be. A womenâs room isnât the place to get to know someone, so intentions will remain unknown.
Iâve pointed this out before, but whatever trans people were doing before trans bathroom use became a national topic seemed to be working. It was a non-issue for most of history.
If I had to make guidelines, Iâd say that when in doubt, go use the menâs room. Nobody will give a shit. I just saw a picture floating around social media where a gal dropped trou and pissed in a urinal standing up, ass-out and she was high-fiving the guy next to her. I doubt any men were traumatized by that.
The bar I bounced at had two restrooms. Womenâs room and the de-facto everyone room. Both were small. I never got a complaint about the many, many women who used the menâs restroom every night. Nobody cared.
Plenty of complaints going the other way, and thatâs a legit concern for females whether the person is trans or not. Iâve probably fished at least 10 guys out of the womenâs room who couldnât wait when the menâs room was full. Some were in there doing coke. Not cool at all, especially in a bar setting where women are already targets for getting roofied and otherwise over-intoxicated so sleazes can take advantage.
Common sense and respectful behavior should be the solution here, at least for private establishments. We might need a third restroom in public buildings. It should be an Everyone Can Piss and Shit Here room. Thatâs probably not what theyâd call it, but we can finally put a gender studies graduate to work under a six-figure government contract to come up with the right term.
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It doesnât? lol. See âAmerican Disabilities Actâ. Thatâs a perfect example of exactly what youâre talking about. Unless youâve arbitrarily drawn a line that would have Americans with disabilities as not a tiny minority, but trans people are.
Anyway. No, I donât think you need a 3rd bathroom. Thatâs absurd.
This SHOULD be a non issue. Itâs been forced into mainstream politics as a sideshow that riles up a base of conservatives. Have you ever seen someone go into a restroom that you thought they shouldnât be going into, with the excuse that they identified as the opposite sex? That just doesnât happen. Nobody needs to change their ways. People just need to stop being assholes to transgender people.
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exactly.
First of all, Iâm in Canada, not America. Second, there are plenty of disabled people around here, in my whole life I donât think I have seen more than 5 transsexuals or transvestites (I didnât check their genitals to verify). I also live in a fairly liberal city with a population close to 1 millions. So yeah, tiny minority.
There was plenty of talk in the news about this stuff. Also cases of women being attacked by men who said they identify as women.
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I agree with this. However,
doesnât seem accurate, at least not in Canada. Here it was the Liberal party that came out with all the nonsense and made it an issue.
Were all republics and democracies unsuccessful until men were allowed in womenâs bathrooms?
Are you asking this question because you genuinely donât know the answer?
More of a rhetorical question in response to your flawed argument.
I made zero argument. Are you unfamiliar with the concept of the tyranny of the majority, or are you familiar with it but disagree with it? If the latter, then we simply disagree. If the former, I can help educate. My masters heavily focused on western political theory, specifically the social contract.
Gendered bathrooms exist because of concerns about privacy, safety, and comfort. If those concerns are legitimate for men who think they are women and women who think they are men, they are also legitimate for everyone else. Those concerns canât simultaneously be valid for the gender confused and invalid for the other people that they might encounter in the bathroom.
Also, it seems off to me that the only men allowed in the bathroom with little girls are mentally ill men.
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This part needs to be highlighted
I actually was not familiar with the concept of tyranny of the majority, but after looking it up it seems to be right in line with the concept of democracy - the majorityâs wishes supersede those of everyone else. The problem nowadays is that there are certain groups whose rights are seen (mostly by liberals) to be more important than the rights of other groups, such as any criticism of Jews or Israel deemed anti-Semitic when its fine to say anything about Christians.