Messed Up with a Girl. Help Needed

That’s actually explicitly what the tyranny is, and why I spoke about how successful democracies have managed to avoid that via the accommodation of minority classes. A democratic system is awesome, as it prevents a ruling class from exercising a rule over a group with no voice, but if the majority are able to have the same effect, it essentially transfers the tyranny now from a ruling elite to a ruling majority.

A democracy seeks to accommodate the will of the majority but (typically) without infringing on the minority in doing so. At least modern ones do, in the absence of slaves.

It’s why I addressed the specific comment of “it doesn’t make sense to force the public to change their ways to accommodate a tiny minority”. That actually makes a LOT of sense in the context of avoiding this phenomenon, and it has been exercised frequently in the past. It is why many minority groups tend to flee to democratic/republic governments, because it is traditionally where a member of a minority class can expect to experience some type of sanctuary compared to more authoritarian approaches to government.

How do you decide which minorities deserve to be accommodated?

And are the rights of the majority not relevant?

The answer to both of those questions will largely depend on which political theory you subscribe to. The 3 main authors I tend to advocate for are Hobbes, Locke and Rousseau. Locke’s tends to be the closest to what we see today.

I have never studied political theory, most of this stuff just seems like common sense to me. I don’t have time for a big debate on another topic right at the moment, but basically I think that these things are going too far nowadays and “gender theory” is nonsense. Gender is a social construct (they say), but we are under obligation to affirm the genders of those people who have decided (from a very long list) that they are not one of the two standard options. And the next step is what has been referred to as “compelled speech” where we are required to address people by their pronoun of choice. What if I choose to be addressed as “His Royal Majesty”, or “God Almighty”, or “Allah”? Why are my delusions not accepted while ze, xe, and they’s are?

Amazingly, many people can hold opposite views and both feel that theirs is the common sense. It’s why I’m a fan of studying it. Getting into the headspace of other people, especially those you don’t agree with, and making a good faith effort to understand their thought process is a fantastic mental exercise, and really helps to understand what you legitimately know vs what you’ve been conditioned to think through bias and experiences.

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I mostly agree with that, but what I see as a problem is that the left is trying to change things that have existed since the beginning of human civilization and weren’t an issue until they made it one. They are also trying to influence kids to experiment with all sorts of perversion, which is a big reason why the Liberals lost the last provincial election here in Ontario.

You know, I don’t like a lot of the things that the right wing/conservatives are into either, but overall the left seems worse.

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This rhetoric has existed before historically and it turned out that change was the right call, which is going to be what compels those who fall under a banner of progressivism to be progressive. Systematic oppression of minority groups existed since the beginning of human civilization, and wasn’t an issue mainly because of the aforementioned tyranny of the majority.

There are precedents that support both sides of the historical perspective, which in turn makes looking toward history troublesome.

In the end, you have to weigh the pros and cons of each individual issue. If little girls being forced to share change rooms and bathrooms with mentally ill men is the end result then it’s not a good decision.

I imagine you would also feel the same if they were forced to share these rooms with mentally ill women too, yes?

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“People just need to stop being assholes to transgender people”

Hey Flip where do you draw the line between not agreeing with a transgendered persons opinion and being an asshole? Sure you don’t need to go out of your way to be rude to someone whom you don’t agree with, but you also don’t need to buy into their delusions, whether the subject is religion, philosophy, or sexuality.

I’m not flip but I think mutually respectful behavior can go a long way. That doesn’t mean complete deference just because the person is trans and it also doesn’t mean that reasonable accommodations can’t be made on either side.

Just like any person, really. My trans friend is actually one of the few people I’ll discuss politics with in person, because we’re both reasonable. We disagree across the board on most stuff, but we can listen to each other and speak without raising our voices.

Distinguishing asshole behavior from legitimate concerns is sort of like distinguishing porn from art. You know it when you see it.

We are not under any such obligation other than courtesy and respect for another human’s (delusioned) choice. No one or law is making you accommodate these people nor do I suspect you will ever have to. I’m not really sure why you would have difficulty addressing a person who is clearly going through a tough time in life with respect, assuming they have not transgressed on you in any way…

I do agree that

but I do not abide that treating otherwise respectful human being with dignity is difficult even if you and I happen to disagree with their life outlook/choices…

I’d recommend actually reading some of these over-arching philosophies if not for nothing other than to gain perspective on basic humanity. You seem to be lacking or confused in that aspect…

This is good advice:

Again, you don’t have to agree with a person’s life choices and that person may be delusional, or you may think they are, but that doesn’t mean you ought to approach them with disrespect if they haven’t shown you any…

He’s Canadian, so… not exactly. See page 18. Make sure you get your pronouns correct and remember to refer to the person you may have known for years by their new name that you’re not used to using. I can’t see how this can possibly go wrong…

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=18&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi2rZCQ9azeAhVr64MKHVNWBfg4ChAWMAd6BAgDEAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ohrc.on.ca%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2FPolicy%2520on%2520preventing%2520discrimination%2520because%2520of%2520gender%2520identity%2520and%2520gender%2520expression.pdf&usg=AOvVaw3QeSjV1fB61goZWjK4QzV6

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Well, then my mistake

Your transphobia is showing, bigot.

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Look who’s talking. It’s Xyur, not your. Fucking Nazi!

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I would prefer not to have the around me, but they don’t pose any significant threat to grown men, unlike to girls and women.

That is what I mean though: you would also not want little girls to be forced to share a space with mentally ill women as well I imagine, right?

I misread the comment. There are already mentally ill women sharing bathrooms with little girls so that is no additional problem, it’s a pre-existing condition and not one that could be easily resolved.

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