He’s typically in Australia
Man I dont know if you fully understand that finasteride is the WORST possible thing you can take way worse than all AAS and SARMs
Damn man how the fk this poison is legal, yet trt is so difficult to be prescribed is beyond me
@samguy19 thanks for the positivity and hope brother
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Yeah finasteride is some really bad shit. It really shouldn’t be legal, and def not for cosmetic reasons. I took it for years. The weird thing was my sex drive and sensitivity the last year or so of taking it kept going higher and higher, it was awesome, Though slightly crazy. I was at a point where I could have sex, go to sleep, have a wet dream, wake up a few hours later and be able to go again. Then I went back down to normal or worse and haven’t taken it since. I’ve wondered if that is what caused my shbg to be so high but I doubt I’ll ever know. Hopefully enough test and hcg gets me back to normal.
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@ncsugrad2002 good luck with the recovery man
Another round of my bloods came back almost identical to the previous. Also got tested for all vitamins like zinc, vit d, magnesium etc … all came back normal. Free test still extremely low (FT appears to be gradually declining also).
Managed to accelerate my endo appointment to tomorrow. Appointment with TRT doc is still a few weeks away… will chime in here for feedback.
Thanks all
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Doctors in Australia are anti-TRT and scared shitless of prescribing TRT for fear of the government’s auditing them. You need to keep pushing for TRT with other doctors, privately if you can.
I seriously doubt any of your doctors specialize in TRT, to my point you shouldn’t be going to a doctor that doesn’t specialize in TRT or else you are asking to get quacked. Doctors that are not familiar with TRT will not be comfortable prescribing it and will send you on your way leaving you wondering WTF just happened?
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All these guys that get refused TRT need to write these Drs after a few months of treatment just to tell them that they are morons and how much treatment has helped them and that hopefully the letter might prevent them from hurting other patients in the future. It doesnt help that they walk out of the Drs office and never return. Same thing with GPS. If they say no and you go private dont keep quiet at your yearly physical or whatever. Cram it down their throat about how great life is now
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Hi guys, endocrinologist was great. Had a real focus on treating symptoms, not numbers, and was open to prescribing gels/injections.
He wants to put me on HCG for approx 6 weeks first and see how I respond. His plan is to then take me off HCG and see if my body will take over to produce naturally.
I’m open to trying this approach if there is a chance to recover T levels naturally (which he believes is possible)
I’m quite concerned about this approach however as I understand HCG has the potential to shut me down and leave me in a crashed state again.
Would highly appreciate everyone’s thoughts and feedback here.
Still plan to visit the TRT doc in 2wks time.
Thanks
Edit: He’s put me on 1500 IU, 3x a week
I would also like to know how this can work out. As much as I know HCG is suppressive but its a bit debative and could not find firm info about that.
1500 IU is quite high dose like for a HCG monotherapy.
If this can restart and is safe I would also try it so I would follow your development.
P.S. Can you ask your endo what does he think about single small dose of triptorelin for pituitary restart?
@vonko1988 will keep you guys updated on how things go.
Can ask on your behalf, won’t be seeing the endo for 6wks, but can ask the TRT doc
Yes would be thankful, although I do not believe any TRT doctor believes in restart. But you can ask him at least how safe such use of triptorelin is…
Yes would be thankful, although I do not believe any TRT doctor believes in restart. But you can ask him at least how safe such use of triptorelin is and what dosage is safe
Can do.
Any advice on needle size for injecting 1500 IU of HCG? Unfortunately, the endo did not provide much advice on this. He wants me to inject intramuscularly.
Thinking 3cc syringe (1.5ml injection volume), 1" needle at 25 gauge for IM quad injection.
Thanks
HCG IM? Hear this for the first time. As I know its done subq
Hey Jordan,
Sound like you have hit the jackpot in finding doctors and endos that want to dig deeper into it.
I have been trying on off for 5 years now with no luck. Any chance you could point me in the right direction at all.
Hey mate, sorry to hear you’ve been struggling for so long now.
I was quite fortunate, although my GP is dead useless with hormones, he recently attended a seminar on “androgen deficiencies from AAS usage” for me and was able subsequently refer me to a knowledgeable endo he had met. The endo is in Melbourne, however I see you reside in Queensland.
The TRT doc (adrian zentner) I discovered purely via lurking this fourm over the past 8-9 months. Look him up on YouTube and other posts on this site, seems really knowledgeable on HRT. I’m off to see him in 2wks, although he’s based in Perth he does do regular clinics in Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne
IM HCG?? 1.5ml per shot? That’s an interesting approach.
Are you mixing/reconstituting the HCG yourself? If so you can change the concentration and thus lower the actual volume to the point where it goes into an insulin syringe. That’s how most of us administer it.
Effects of Subchronic Finasteride Treatment and Withdrawal on Neuroactive Steroid Levels and Their Receptors in the Male Rat Brain.
Giatti S1, Foglio B, Romano S, Pesaresi M, Panzica G, Garcia-Segura LM, Caruso D, Melcangi RC.
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Abstract
The enzymatic conversion of progesterone and testosterone by the enzyme 5alpha-reductase exerts a crucial role in the control of nervous function. The effects of finasteride in the brain, an inhibitor of this enzyme used for the treatment of human benign prostatic hyperplasia and androgenic alopecia, have been poorly explored. Therefore, the effects of a subchronic treatment with finasteride at low doses (3 mg/kg/day) and the consequences of its withdrawal on neuroactive steroid levels in plasma, cerebrospinal fluid and some brain regions as well as on the expression of classical and non-classical steroid receptors have been evaluated in male rats. After subchronic treatment (i.e., for 20 days) the following effects were detected: (i) depending on the compartment considered, alteration in the levels of neuroactive steroids, not only in 5alpha-reduced metabolites but also in its precursors and in neuroactive steroids from other steroidogenic pathways and (ii) an upregulation of the androgen receptor in the cerebral cortex and beta3 subunit of the GABA-A receptor in the cerebellum. One month after the last treatment (i.e., withdrawal period), some of these effects persisted (i.e., the upregulation of the androgen receptor in the cerebral cortex, an increase of dihydroprogesterone in the cerebellum, a decrease of dihydrotestosterone in plasma). Moreover, other changes in neuroactive steroid levels, steroid receptors (i.e., an upregulation of the estrogen receptor alpha and a downregulation of the estrogen receptor beta in the cerebral cortex) and GABA-A receptor subunits (i.e., a decrease of alpha 4 and beta 3 mRNA levels in the cerebral cortex) were detected. These findings suggest that finasteride treatment may have broad consequences for brain function.
© 2015 S. Karger AG, Basel.
basically what you need, is to reestablish the sensitivity of cells to neurotransmitters. all this was the cause of finasteride. POISON! . it is quite possible that these cells have been damaged and may be irreparable.
There are some foods that can help:
High doses of BCAAs
Cod liver oil
Cocoa Powder
D vitamin 10k daily
L-carnitine
L-critulin
nutricional yeast
Kefir
Curcumin + piperine
Intermittent Fasting 16h
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Will be mixing myself. What do you suggest? Doing some googling the typical concentration is 1ml per 1000 IU.
That is indeed typical. It’s also typical because insulin syringes by and large hold no more than 1ml of volume and it is not terribly common for people to be taking such a hefty dose. How many times a week are you taking 1,500?
As an aside, it will be maddening for you to try to fill a large syringe with a 25g needle with water and not have it come gushing out immediately. The pressure inside the barrel will far exceed the resistance from the viscosity of the water and your first few attempts will almost certainly result in the following: you draw the water in, let go of the plunger (as you would if it were testosterone in oil), the water sprays out, you curse, then repeat. Reason #32 why it’s so much easier to do subQ with an insulin syringe.