Mercury Fillings - Confusion

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[quote]Killa Cam wrote:

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

LOL, we come from such polar opposites regarding health Vs establishment thinking that I’m not sure there’s any point.

But perhaps if you consider that metals are electrically active and that the CNS is an electrical system, you might arrive at your own conclusions as to why in some people mercury (and gold) fillings cause general malaise.

Ah, but you’ll probably just go with your comfort blanket of ‘placebo’.

BBB[/quote]

There’s so much pseudo-science going on here I don’t know where to start.

Just because some people base their decisions on evidence doesn’t make them part of “The Evil Establishment”.

Fistly, what do you mean by ‘general malaise’? Sounds like you’re claiming patients found that their strange, indescribable negative feelings went away after the removal of a substance they percieve as strangely negative. That screams placebo!

Secondly, nothing is inherently ‘electrically active’. Metals may be electrically conductive, which is to say that they allow the transfer of electrons. Without electron flow, there’s no conduction and no electricity. That’s why the gold in a wedding ring doesn’t cause general malaise any more than the gold in a capped tooth: no flow = no electricity.

The only comfort blanket going on here is vague pseudo-science[/quote]

Don’t worry, people have already started blaming their “general malaise” on wind turbines instead.

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[quote]RBlue wrote:
Don’t worry, people have already started blaming their “general malaise” on wind turbines instead.[/quote]

I blame my general malaise on generally not giving a flying fuck.

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]RBlue wrote:
Don’t worry, people have already started blaming their “general malaise” on wind turbines instead.[/quote]

I blame my general malaise on generally not giving a flying fuck.[/quote]

hehe yeah I know what you mean.
But hot girl talking science is hot, so let them keep arguing.

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]RBlue wrote:
Don’t worry, people have already started blaming their “general malaise” on wind turbines instead.[/quote]

I blame my general malaise on generally not giving a flying fuck.[/quote]

Why is there no T-Nation “like” button? :stuck_out_tongue:

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[quote]dianab wrote:

But hot girl talking science is hot, so let them keep arguing.[/quote]

This.

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Why are there so many hot Canadian women on here?

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[quote]storey420 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]RBlue wrote:

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
In my opinion, mercury shouldn’t be anywhere near your body. Especially in you mouth.

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I second this.

I have seen cases where every muscle in the body tested weak - until the fillings were replaced with a more ‘friendly’ material, at which point the patient tested strong and the general malaise they complained of went away.

BBB[/quote]

Placebo effect? Don’t discount the power of the mind in creating symptoms and improvements. What of the very large number of people with amalgam fillings who don’t complain of any malaise, or muscle weakness, or MS symptoms, etc…?[/quote]

What about the large number of people who feel and perform better when they eliminate wheat and dairy, yet are not classically ‘intolerant’?

Let me guess, this was taught to you at dental school? Do you really think that a profession that puts mercury into peoples mouths would be the most objective regarding mercury toxicity?

Besides, it’s more to do with electrical potentials affecting the CNS, than microleakage.

BBB[/quote]

Ridiculous.

Hint: If a doctor who handles the stuff for 50 years doesn’t get sick, maybe you should take note of that.

The biggest risk is during condensation of the material into a cavity prep…which means the doc is at greater risk because this is when the mercury is pushed out of the filling before it sets…with the initial set happening within 5-10min usually before the procedure is over.

That wasn’t learned at dental school but in damn near a decade of practice after the fact.

I personally do not have anything against dental amalgams in most people, but I also know many dentists avoid them today simply because of the esthetics issue.

The alternative is a composite filling or an onlay/inlay.

Composite fillings have about a 5 years+ life in the mouth of most people with 10 years pushing it before it needs to be replaced. Amalgams are sturdier, last longer, and are what I would choose to out in the mouth of someone who I was convinced would not be receiving regular dental treatment and who had poor oral hygiene because of the factors mentioned earlier.

If someone has good oral hygiene and sees a dentist regularly, there is nothing wrong with composite fillings and they do look better.

COST is a major factor as well because tons of people love to talk a good game, but the truth is, most will see the bill for an inlay/onlay, notice the 5-800 dollar difference, notice what insurance pays and then choose the amalgam because it costs less.[/quote]

While I agree with the statement that from a cost standpoint they are sturdier but inherently by the nature of the materials amalgams are going to expand and contract and invariably lead to cracks (crowns, etc.) as the tooth degrades.

The first point “Ridiculous.Hint: If a doctor who handles the stuff for 50 years doesn’t get sick, maybe you should take note of that.” is completely irrelevant and actually very incorrect. I know a doc that has smoked for 50 years and is fine, guess cigarettes are totally cool. Of course I don’t get to make my point with the hundreds of older dentists I had had the fortune/misfortune to meet that have very debilitating conditions now most likely due to their years of mercury exposure. Prof. X you’re a bull, strong, young, fit still doesn’t mean after 30 years of exposure you wouldn’t exhibit signs of debilitation (which are quite extensive with chronic mercury exposure. So to wave it off as nonsense shows a pretty narrow mindset but can’t hardly blame you going through the military route of medical care/training which is very behind the times not just in dentistry.[/quote]

I’m sorry but this entire post is ridiculous. First, no one gets their dental training IN the military. They may do their residency there, but no one is going to school there. Second, I was AirForce which is as advanced as any outside dental office if not more-so. We had full digital x-rays and state of the art equipment that the outside didn’t have access to yet…so clearly your knowledge of what goes on in that field is quite limited…but that didn’t stop you from attempting an insult with your limited insight.

Third, please provide a link to the study you conducted or at least some tangible evidence that you have met several dentists with “debilitating conditions” and that the cause is dental amalgam.

I notice you haven’t responded to Rblue yet. My guess is, you won’t.

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[quote]on edge wrote:

Your saying the white filling material cost 5 to 800 more than silver? That can’t be true. If it is, its pure robbery on the part of whoever manufactures that stuff. The amount of material required for a single filling is less than 500 dollars worth of platinum. Probably.[/quote]

I said INLAY/ONLAY. That is not a type of composite filling. It is a cast restoration much like a crown but fits inside a tooth.

Question, why is it some of you seem to think I am the one who doesn’t know what he’s talking about?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Question, why is it some of you seem to think I am the one who doesn’t know what he’s talking about?[/quote]

LOL @ black, bodybuilder, military dentist

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]RBlue wrote:

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
LOL, we come from such polar opposites regarding health Vs establishment thinking that I’m not sure there’s any point.

But perhaps if you consider that metals are electrically active and that the CNS is an electrical system, you might arrive at your own conclusions as to why in some people mercury (and gold) fillings cause general malaise.

Ah, but you’ll probably just go with your comfort blanket of ‘placebo’.

BBB[/quote]

Do you know anything at all about the anatomy of a tooth? Most fillings go as deep as the enamel, or into the dentin, but not into the pulp, where the nerves and blood vessels lie. Dentin is an insulative material. For there to be any kind of current in the mouth, you’d need another dissimilar metal in a filling opposing the tooth in question.

Not to mention that any sensory nerves present in teeth can only sense pain… so any stimulus that affects them “electrically” (or mechanically, or thermally, etc) is going to cause pain in the tooth, NOT general malaise.

There are also nerves from the sympathetic autonomic nervous system controlling the arteriolar smooth muscle, but they are not equipped to transmit any signal from the periphery to the brain. Besides, electrical conduction in metals requires free movement of electrons. But electrical conduction (an action potential) in a nerve cell requires a specific signal caused by cell surface receptors binding specific signal molecules made by other cells. It’s NOT going to fire an action potential just because there’s an electrical current around it.

This is pretty basic biology. But perhaps there’s some well-documented mechanism I’m not aware of. In which case, please enlighten me. [/quote]

You can base your life around basic biology If you choose. I did that for many years, until I was fortunate enough to come to realise that just because something is not ‘well-documented’ doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

BBB[/quote]

Why are you ignoring my request that you explain HOW you think these “electrical potentials” from fillings negatively affect the CNS? If you think it happens, please explain the mechanism for it. I think you won’t, though, because you’re talking out of your ass.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]Killa Cam wrote:

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

LOL, we come from such polar opposites regarding health Vs establishment thinking that I’m not sure there’s any point.

But perhaps if you consider that metals are electrically active and that the CNS is an electrical system, you might arrive at your own conclusions as to why in some people mercury (and gold) fillings cause general malaise.

Ah, but you’ll probably just go with your comfort blanket of ‘placebo’.

BBB[/quote]

There’s so much pseudo-science going on here I don’t know where to start.

Just because some people base their decisions on evidence doesn’t make them part of “The Evil Establishment”.

Fistly, what do you mean by ‘general malaise’? Sounds like you’re claiming patients found that their strange, indescribable negative feelings went away after the removal of a substance they percieve as strangely negative. That screams placebo!

Secondly, nothing is inherently ‘electrically active’. Metals may be electrically conductive, which is to say that they allow the transfer of electrons. Without electron flow, there’s no conduction and no electricity. That’s why the gold in a wedding ring doesn’t cause general malaise any more than the gold in a capped tooth: no flow = no electricity.

The only comfort blanket going on here is vague pseudo-science[/quote]

Sacondary only to the comfort you seem to gain from biasing my responses by inserting words like ‘evil’.

LOL! ‘They’ didn’t perceive the fillings AT ALL, until after muscular, skelatal, hormonal, nervous, endocrine, and digestive system testing had been carried out and the fillings were tested at the end.

Sure, it’s possible (I suppose) that having someone confidently say “It’s your fillings, once they are replaced, you will probably feel much better” will effect a positive change in health, which is why I keep an open mind unlike at least 3 of you in this thread.

Ultimately though, I don’t really give a flying f**k whether it’s ‘placebo’ or not. The point is that I like to see people get ‘better’. Replacing the fillings made them ‘better’ ergo the fillings were a problem.

BBB[/quote]

These people would not have thought the fillings were a problem if they didn’t have irresponsible/ignorant people using pseudoscience to tell them it’s a problem.

Here are some medical conditions that have been DOCUMENTED to present with general malaise: Anemia, altitude sickness, appendicitis, chronic fatigue syndrome, chronic kidney disease, diabetes, epilepsy, fever, hepatitis, influenza, leukemia, depression, etc, etc… it’s a VERY non-specific symptom, which may or may not have something to do with an actual physical problem. Often, general malaise is psychosomatic.

There’s nothing wrong with having an open mind. I am incredibly open-minded. But there IS something wrong with ignoring evidence, facts, and rational thought.

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Internet is full of broscience.

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  1. Crest Pro-Health is my favorite toothpaste
  2. My Squat, Bench, Deadlift continue to climb despite amalgam fillings
  3. I have nothing of value to add to this discussion
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[quote]biglifter wrote:

  1. Crest Pro-Health is my favorite toothpaste
  2. My Squat, Bench, Deadlift continue to climb despite amalgam fillings
  3. I have nothing of value to add to this discussion[/quote]

Amalgam spelled backward is: maglama.

Say it.— Mag-la-ma.

Mag… la… ma

Maglama.

Used in a sentence: “Ima put maglama in yo’ mama”