Men and Women, Women and Men

Young men and women ALWAYS have a laundry list of qualities they want, and they almost always settle for something much less. Those who don’t settle for pieces of the list wind up alone. Some of them bitterly so.

While I’d like to agree with this, I can’t considering I’m someone who didn’t settle and was rewarded for it. I got my entire laundry list and more. My fiancee was also rewarded. She chose to stay a virgin and not even kiss a guy until she found the right man.

If you have one life to live, why lower your standards? At least, that’s my thinking.

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So then I’d have to ask if your list was more realistic than the immature people @BrickHead was describing when he talked about being expected to entertain and excite another person after a 10 hour work day.

I would say that when I met my ex-husband my list was too short, if anything. I wanted someone bright and who loved books as I did, who was ambitious, and whose parents had not divorced, because I knew divorced parents increased my own risk of divorce and I wanted a good and lasting marriage. I didn’t look for fiscal responsibility, didn’t look for trustworthiness, and didn’t look for someone who was secure in himself. What I found and married too quickly was someone who had a literature degree and a lot of fancy classic books he’d never read (and never would) (and what’s funny was that he specifically asked for those in the divorce, which sure, no problem, I’ve already read them all and don’t care if people see fancy books at my house), was ambitious but squandered money at a rate that exceeded whatever income, had parents who had not divorced before his father’s death but who’d already had a divorce in his history when I met him and three siblings with more than on divorce each. He was not secure in himself and was untrustworthy because he looked for happiness outside of himself and justified poor choices when he felt sorry for himself. He was handsome and athletic, though, and could be funny. Well-written. I dunno.

The second time around my list was different. Someone I liked and respected as much as I like and respect myself, or maybe my best friend. I’m not perfect, and I don’t expect others to be either. But I don’t lie and I don’t cheat and I’m comfortable with myself because overall I’m nice and I’m fun and I work hard.

What was on your list, @startingagain?

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I think there’s a difference between reasonable expectations and standards and aiming for the moon.

There are some people who have an image of the type of person they want, who actually might exist in some cases, but who likely doesn’t exist, or who they’re unlikely to meet or attract.

@EmilyQ

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I’d even go so far as to say it’s just a result of being in the modern era.

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Sorry to hijack again,but can someone evaluate my list?

  1. Deep intellectual conversation
  2. No procrastination, maintain consistent routine
  3. Work out and accept that it’s one of my priorities
  4. Willing to accept distance
  5. Put up with me :rofl::rofl:
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It’s normal.

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One only needs to follow the hashtag #fitness to see this.

Not too demanding, but what DO YOU bring to the table ?

Numbers 1,2,4 and 5 + willing to do chores

I forgot another important one : ambition, I don’t want a guy satisfied with a dead end desk job

It seems totally reasonable but item 4 rings a bell.

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So you say. It’s actually for a man to decide thus and vice versa.

We can all describe ourselves the way WE THINK we are but another person might have a very different reading. Many of our self described qualities being subjective.

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Number 4 rings a bell because I’m not sure what’s meant by distance specifically.

I’ll say this, it seems when raising children there is no distance.

why? If you want xyz in a guy and someone says y is weird would you really change it?

(As a teenage male) 1/3/5 are fairly common, 2/4 might be a bit harder to find
If 4 is because you go on vacations you could have them just go with

Alternate 5. Integrity
Alternate 4. Be a good match, chemistry-wise

Editing to add that number 2 is not essential, as nothing stops you from doing those things.

Although I say that as someone who got stressed when I tried to end TV time last night in order to maintain strict sleep schedule and got pushback on it. I was irritated, and it may come up again in conversation.

@SkyzykS it’s a PATTERN OF BEHAVIOR as yet unresolved.

That’s not really her watch, is it, unless she’s in here moaning at nearly 40 that she can’t find a decent man. Her job, for now, is to vet her prospects. Their job is to vet HER.

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Those are struggles I seek to prevent.

Crikey, lists? I’ve always thought things should be homogeneous and occur naturally.

I see the sense in having a list but its really not for me.

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Bedtime is the only area of struggle for us, and I’m pretty rigid about my workday routine.

It’s not a hill worth dying on, though we occasionally skirmish on that hill.

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:slightly_frowning_face: What’d I do?

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I was thinking about this. I suspect that every couple has a few of these that they like to visit every so often.