… = smiley face
A bit of comedic relief.
No emojis over here for some reason
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LOL, totally misread the room there, my bad.
But seriously, you would have to ask some older non-immigrant women to know how things were back in the day around here. Neither of my grandmas worked, but they are both dead now. I’m not aware of them complaining about it, but they weren’t working until midnight either.
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Yeah, another thing is what used to be cool in parenting is not anymore. My mom used to leave me in a stroller on the front porch in the Bronx while my brother and sister played in the street, unattended. That’s the type of thing that would get the cops called on you now.
But yes, childcare is fucked up. Fortunately Virginia has an AWESOME public education system and my eldest’s preschool is free, completely county funded, free lunches, free school supplies, and since he has a lisp, free federal and state funding for speech services. But when he was in daycare, it was $250 a week. A grand a month for daycare, and my wife wasn’t making much, so when we had another on the way and they said “we’ll give you a 10% discount on the second one!” and we realized that’s still $475 A WEEK, we said fuck that shit.
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That’s what I don’t get, Canada is supposed to be semi-socialist but we have none of that.
Like leaving your kid unattended in a car. That was a regular thing for me, now it makes the news.
Woooooooooood
What are you doing for work now ?
Typically it’s miserable liberal women that look down on housewives. You know the “empowered” window lickers.
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12 hour shifts at a manufacturing plant in the rotogravure trade, long hours but fairly interesting work, everything from lathes and lasers to microscopes and micrometers. All standing on concrete, too, rough on the feet. Pretty decent pay, though.
I also worked in security and then as a corrections officer when I got out, so I haven’t had a sedentary job since the Marines - just doesn’t suit me, I’m sure you get what I mean.
I grew up in a household with two scientist parents who both worked long hours. Just the mindset I was raised with.
I’m going to try to be cool here. I think all opinions are valid. I have two kids and am humbled by how great they are. I have a bit of pride, but am so grateful that they are good kids.
My wife and I both work - we’re both teachers. Yeah, we only work seven hours a day, ten months a year, and if you believe that, well then, get a job teaching. You’ll soon find out the fallacy of that.
Yes, we’re blessed to work in good districts and make a good living. Our combined income puts us in the top five percent of the country, so my view of the value of money may be skewed.
I would suspect that if she could, she would gladly trade places with her husband. My mom raised three of us, thirty nine months from first to last, so she had two toddlers and an infant. My dad was a traveling salesman so he was gone four or five days a week. My mom didn’t have a car. She put us in the Radio Flyer and walked a mile to the grocery store to buy groceries - only two gallons of milk because it was all we could afford. Loaded the groceries back in the Radio Flyer and walked the mile back to the apartment.
Pretty sure she would have preferred to be having dinner and playing golf with customers.
I wouldn’t get out of bed for such a poorly paying job. Maybe it’s a New York thing, but that isn’t high paying.
This.
This as well.
Honest question - have you raised kids?
I find it questionable as well, but you don’t know how her kids are. They may be ADHD, have CF, we just don’t know what her issues are.
However, raising kids, in my opinion, is one of the most noble things you can do. If a parent can devote themselves full time to raising kids, I think that is awesome.
@dchris, is your wife working?
I guess I missed where someone accused the husband of not pulling his weight. Balancing the work load is, I think up to the couple. We worked. But, I would have loved to stay home with my kids.
Of course, that may have fucked them up, so maybe I’m better off that I worked.
My colleague has a husband that is unemployed, again. He’s a piece of shit. She has to be at work at 7:15, the kids get on the bus at 8:15. He frequently drinks himself to sleep, sleeps through the alarm, and the kids miss the bus.
He lost his license because of a DWI so he can’t drive the kids to school. He calls his wife to come get them on her off period to drive them to school because he is hungover.
Guess that is off topic, lol.
When I moved to New York, both of my kids were in day care - $675 a week. That was with a discount for both kids. I paid that from 2004 to 2008 when my daughter went to full day kindergarten. Then, I paid $350 a week for my son until he went to kindergarten in 2011.
I was blessed that the day care allowed me to pull my kids out for the summer without having to pay for them. So, yeah, $675 a week, times forty weeks = $27,000 a year for day care, six to eight hours a day. I did that for four years, so $108K.
Then, another $14K a year for my son for three years, $42K. Just for day care.
My wife had been hired at a good district, and I was working in East New York - the most violent precinct in all five boroughs of NYC. Thunder Bay? Ottawa? Pshaw. Check out the 75th Precinct. I had 17 year old seventh graders that were legit gang bangers in my classroom, and I was making $43K a year while paying $27K for day care.
I would have loved to stay home and deal with diapers and runny noses.
I’m really not being oppositional here. But how can feminists be blamed for that, I’m genuinely curious.
All the past issues aside, I’m genuinely curious to hear other people’s opinions.
Fellow science nerd. We’re just not cut out for a lot of jobs. Your job seems pretty neat. I was a union Ironworker for a few years.
The union and apprenticeship program for rotogravure operators was dissolved in 2010 and I started in 2016, the stories of ‘back in my day’ are definitely something to envy. Double/triple time, all the overtime you want, free benefits, etc.
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On this, I don’t think you can assume anything. In our household, I do the majority of the paid work because I have a far higher earning potential than my SO. We’ve frequently discussed if she’d want to swap if that wasn’t the case, and the answer is always a resounding no. Even on her worst days, she sees the benefits that come from being able to be present with the kids for much of the day.
What have I been tagged into??
Yes, she does. From home. Although, she has scaled back considerably and now contracts most of her work and takes a %.
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Did he ever sleep with two full-time jobs and one part-time?
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There are four waves of feminism. From what I know of it, which isn’t much, there have been conflicting ideas. I even heard about one influential early feminist who wanted mothers back in the home.
I gather that much of feminism now focuses on empowerment, as vague as that term is in the sense it’s used.
I can be wrong, but I highly doubt many women speaking about empowerment now even know of or care about the works of Betty Freidan and Gloria Steinem.
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It’s 1000% a NY thing. From the staffing industry, a single job at 35-40 would put you better off than the large majority of American families outside of ultra high cost of living areas.
3 of them would have made him a ~10%'r in America, and a ~5%'r in Canada.
It was just random FB moms in the Daily Mail article. People never seem to see this kinda momshame IRL, it’s always through an article about an article within an article.
Well, the mom was mocked on Australian television.
I agree though. Most aren’t shaming people in everyday life. But when it makes television, it appears there’s an agenda.
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Do you happen to have a link to that? I don’t see it anywhere in the article.
I agree. Personally, I think the agenda is to create infighting and the illusion that 95% of people aren’t the exact same, so the powers that be can continue to take advantage of the rift.
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It’s in here.
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