Everything you are saying is irrelevant to the discussion, you are trying to change the topic and argue about trivial facts. Seems to be a common strategy among male feminists.
This is what we are talking about:
That regarding the newspaper article I linked.
My question:
So what use is feminism? It addressed certain relevant issues long in the past but has served its purpose and now appears to be dominated by man-hating lesbians. I see as much use for feminism at this present time as for the Underground Railroad.
Feminism is still necessary because of the big gap. At C-Suite levels, it’s a vast majority of males. Women don’t even see themselves reaching that level because they don’t see the reality of Female C-Suites. As a result, only 20-some percent of women aspire to a C-Suite role, compared to about nearly half of male employees. And the cycle goes from there.
Women end up relying on men, and wanting to date/marry rich because of the lack of feminism. It’s easier to date/marry the CEO than to become one in the absence of equality.
A lot of women don’t realize that they’re capable of everything a man is, and a lot of men can’t stomach the thought of that. The “man-hating lesbians” is just a stereotype/caricature made of the most extreme types, and is just like assuming every Conservative/Republican is a white nationalist or hillbilly.
I wasn’t engaged in the conversation, nor do I have any interest in being involved in the extremist anti feminist argument.
Equality doesn’t exist everywhere? Canada isn’t the only country on the planet, nor are the genders truly equal. That’s just a funny joke. There’s dozens and dozens of ways that each gender has a leg up over each other.
It only appears as such because you seem to get your view of the world through the internet. Try the real world.
First of all, that only affects a small fraction of women. They aren’t being denied high-paying jobs in these same companies. But then what is the solution to this? Promote random women to the top position for the sake of equality rather than choose the most qualified person? Does it make sense to put ideology before profits?
Yeah, it’ not fair, I can’t remember the last time I saw a homeless guy on a date with a hot secretary.
Men and women are not the same. Equality and sameness are two different things. This is another issue altogether, but I’m not with you on that at all. Men are generally predisposed to certain things, just like women are, and there is some overlap and some special cases but why force change where it isn’t necessary?
Also, a lot of women would like to be stay at home mothers, and in the pre-feminist era this was possible in the average family. Nowadays few families can afford to only have one working parent.
Oddly enough, most hillbillies and white nationalists are conservatives, while most man-hating lesbians are feminists. That’s something to think about.
So then what was the use of arguing with various fragments of my comments if you don’t want to address the topic? And how is being opposed to feminism as portrayed in the media somehow extreme? If there are feminists fighting for worthy causes then come tell me about it because I’m totally unaware of any, that’s what this discussion is about.
So isn’t that equality? Each are favored in different ways, and the result is neutral. It does seem to me like things are overall a bit too biased in favor of women, but that is besides the point.
As I mentioned before, I don’t know any women who openly identify as feminists. I also don’t often deal with man-hating lesbians, although I have dealt with quite a few.
Ever hear of or listen to Karen Straughan ? She’s a bad ass. Completely eviscerates the feminists psychotics with facts and debunks the inequality nonsense by breaking down the issues instead of accepting the gripes at face value.
If men and women are wholly equal… Why don’t we let women compete against men in sports ? Or combat arms ? We never hear the male feminist worms moaning about the lack of men in certain female dominated fields.
Our differences are what should make bond.
I remember like 3 female ironworkers in our local. Maybe just maybe women gravitate towards different occupations or interests ? This shit is really fucking annoying.
That’s what I’m saying, there are well-educated women who totally destroy all arguments for feminism yet a lot of women and beta male feminists want gender neutral everything and all types of crazy shit. There is this one lady named Janice Fiamengo who is a university professor that speaks out against feminism, last time she was supposed to give a public presentation here a bunch of crazy leftist caused big scene and pulled the fire alarm. They can’t present an argument so instead they try to shut down the discussion and call people names.
The only thing that anyone said so far in this thread as a real example of inequality was a lower number of female super-rich executives. Cry me a river. If there are women who are motivated and capable then what is stopping them from stating their own companies? And if they don’t want to then what is the big deal?
Exactly, do you want a wife who behaves like a man? Apparently some guys do…
I addressed the parts I wanted to address? You’re welcome to not respond.
If you don’t realize how regularly extreme you sound with most topics, you need to get out more.
Nothing wrong with being extreme about things, but at least own it.
If that’s equality, wouldn’t it mean the societal circumstances up til now have shaken the world out that way? If that’s the case, why would people be anywhere near as upset as you about feminism?
Must be a Canadian thing. Down here being a straight white man has always been the best thing to be. It’s pretty bangin tbh.
How many actual women do you know? Serious question. I know plenty who openly identify as feminists, plenty who don’t, and zero manhaters. They just don’t associate themselves with the media driven narrative.
The easiest way to combat the media driven narrative is to not buy into it, fwiw.
Female porn stars are paid much higher… But I digress. It’s just a bullshit “problem” that miserable fact averse loons engage in.
The gender pay gap was revealed to be complete bullshit; numerous times, and it’s still brought up.
There are female officers paid more than me. Where’s my equality ?! Well it’s because they’ve been on longer and; ideally, know more. Therefore; theoretically, they’re a more valuable asset and compensated as such.
Is an apple equal to an orange? Sure, but they aren’t the same thing.
Who said I’m so upset against feminism? I posted a link to an article about one of the biggest feminist organisations in Canada calling for an end to heterosexuality and said it was an example of why I’m opposed to feminism because that’s how I see it. And I’m the extremist? I don’t know anyone who claims to be a feminist, I just see it as an outdated ideology that is no good for anything nowadays.
How would you know, someone told you?
More than I can count. My work is mostly women, maybe close to 100 employees, my manager is a woman too. When the “me too” thing was in the news everyday some of them were saying that those girls sounded like prostitutes and lesbians.
His statement about being a straight white guy… Is very subjective. According to far too many unhinged losers straight white men are the new black plague.
There were some white men who did some bad things, but now there are people who want all white men to pay for it. It’s pretty fucked up. Maybe next they will turn against the Mongolians to avenge Genghis Khan’s victims.
Yeah I fully agree, and I don’t support hiring/promotion for diversity’s sake. But women often don’t have the networks and advantageous position in the first place because in many organizations they’re being excluded from that discussion. It’s changing in a lot of orgs and industries though.
That’s just based on stereotypical gender roles. Who’s to say that women are incapable of manual labor or blue collar jobs? They fared just well in manufacturing jobs during WWI and WWII. Why isn’t it “necessary”? This works in the favor of both men and women if people start exploring careers that aren’t stereotypically “predisposed” to their specific gender.
Why can’t men opt to be stay at home dads? I know several men who are. If a family can’t afford to have only one working parent, maybe they should have planned better.
True, but I’m not going to dismiss every conservative as a white nationalist or hillbilly because that’s ignorant. The same way I won’t dismiss every feminist as a man-hating lesbian.
So why aren’t feminists fighting for gender equality in landscaping, construction labor, and garbage collection? Sounds like they want to pick and choose where things are equal, but when it starts to favor them over men (like universities) they are fine with it.
You really think that people shouldn’t have kids if the economy is bad or the future is uncertain? Humans would have gone extinct long ago with that kind of thinking.
Who said they’re not looking for equality in those fields? I know several women who work blue collar jobs. They’re just not the women’s studies college feminists.
Economy has routinely been bad, and the future is always certain. If somebody wants a single earner household so bad, they should prioritize making that happen before having kids. The next best thing would be a dual income family. I live comfortably, but when I re-marry, I want a high dual income household.
50+ years ago it was unusual for women to work, and a man with a low-skilled job like working in a grocery store could provide for a family. Only one of my grandmothers ever worked, and it was in a bomb factory during WW2. Even in Poland under communism, my other grandmother was able to be a stay at home mother, and there was no such thing as being rich for regular people.
And if they are looking for equality in manual labor jobs then why aren’t they applying? You don’t think if women were routinely turned down for those job that we would hear about it?
Who said they’re not applying, and who said they’re not getting these jobs?
Womens studies college feminists are off in their own world and are the worst examples for anything to do with the real world. Of course a girl from a wealthy background who’s parents can afford the fortune to study at these private liberal arts colleges would never look at a blue collar job.
While it’s not manual labor, there are plenty of women who are in the military, police, fire, etc, which are all roles men were stereotypically “predisposed” to. I know a handful of female mechanics, and I’m sure that number will grow in the future.
I’m sure that has way more to do with the economy than gender roles. If a man has a low-skilled job like working in a grocery store, he has higher prioritis to address than having kids.