Men Ages 18-25

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
101

[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
BarneyFife wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
When my country holds a bayonet to my back to get me to fight, it is no longer my country anymore…

Yeah. Today’s 18-25 crowd won’t fight. Oh, unless it’s for a Playstation 3, that is!

Well now. I understand that you haven’t served in the military. You said that you had a full ride football scholarship, so the choice was easy. Well what about loose tool. He started his college 3 years late to serve. Why couldn’t you be more like him Since you are so worried about other people not being in the military, why don’t we discuss your lack of a service record. Are you over the age of 42 hack? If your not, welll then maybe you should just go on down to the recruiting office and sign up. You might even be able to go through OCS and become an officer, with your college degree and all. And think of all the option that you have to serve! Not just active duty, but reserves and national guard. I guess the generation before mine isn’t really keen on fighting either.

Your hatred for law enforcement is really misplaced. The “war on terror” isn’t just being fought by soldiers in Iraq and Afganistan. Everyday local state and federal police are fighting the war on terror. 9/11 could have been delayed, stopped, or its effects lessened by better law enforcement. Ourgovernment has INS agents that are making sure that we don’t have undocumented foreign nationals in our country, going to flight school or what not.

Our borders? Protected by POLICE not by the army. Hate to tell you that.

Yeah. I didn’t get most of that. Pretty disjointed. I’m sure you meant well.

You make a lot of assumtions about me. It’s fun. Do it some more. I can only make two assumptions about you:

  1. You should put up an avatar in which you are wearing a SHIRT.

  2. You are not very bright.

Now we can’t have it both ways on here with cops. We have threads saying they’re nuts and abuse their power. And we have threads thanking them for their valiant service. I’m in the middle. I think most cops do it for a job. Some do it to REALLY make a difference. And some do it to exercise their oversized egos after the get buzzed on power. My guess: You fall in the third category.

Since you are little more than dumb kid, I’ll tell you what it was like for people my age, at the end of the Cold War: The military was not the place our ‘best and brightest’ went. It was where the kids who couldn’t get into to college went. It’s where the vocational schook kids went when they washed out as electricians because they couldn’t stay sober.

If you think that I should have ditched my scholarship and an opporutinty - one day - to play in the NFL (and at the VERY least get a great education for nothing), well that shows why you don’t have the sense to NOT post pics of you with your shirt off.

So basically what you’re saying is “You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.”

Trying telling all this stuff to Patrick Tillman next time you go to a Cards game. Oh wait…you can’t. Regardless, you don’t have to excuse your decision not to join the military. You aren’t a bad guy for not joining and there’s no shame in it. But it is wrong to speak from a place of authority merely because you “almost” joined.

mike[/quote]

I hope this is not directed at me. I never said I almost joined. Never said that. Never thought about joining. Most of you fuckers are so dumb that you invent fragements of conversation to argue about.

102

[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
I hope this is not directed at me. I never said I almost joined. Never said that. Never thought about joining. Most of you fuckers are so dumb that you invent fragements of conversation to argue about. [/quote]

Well listen Go Heavy, we can’t all be endowed with such a trmendous intellect like you.

Some of us fucking losers have to dig holes, you know?

…Asshole.

103

[quote]buffballswell wrote:
Has there been a trend, recently, in persuing wars and conflicts of political interest rather than necessity, yes. But some of you pussies fail to grasp the concept, that freedom is not free. It is a responsibility of all citizens of a free nation to defend it. I guess Im not so much for a draft but some sort of mandatory national service.[/quote]

It’s free in Switzerland.

104

Switzerland has the largest militia army in the world (220,000 including reserves). Military service for Swiss men is obligatory according to the Federal Constitution, and includes 18 or 21 weeks of basic training (depending on troop category) as well as annual 3-week-refresher courses until a number of service days which increases with rank (260 days for privates) is reached. Service for women is voluntary, but identical in all respects. Conscientious objectors can choose 390 days of community service instead of military service.
I copied this out of wikipedia.

105

[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
BarneyFife wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
When my country holds a bayonet to my back to get me to fight, it is no longer my country anymore…

Yeah. Today’s 18-25 crowd won’t fight. Oh, unless it’s for a Playstation 3, that is!

Well now. I understand that you haven’t served in the military. You said that you had a full ride football scholarship, so the choice was easy. Well what about loose tool. He started his college 3 years late to serve. Why couldn’t you be more like him Since you are so worried about other people not being in the military, why don’t we discuss your lack of a service record. Are you over the age of 42 hack? If your not, welll then maybe you should just go on down to the recruiting office and sign up. You might even be able to go through OCS and become an officer, with your college degree and all. And think of all the option that you have to serve! Not just active duty, but reserves and national guard. I guess the generation before mine isn’t really keen on fighting either.

Your hatred for law enforcement is really misplaced. The “war on terror” isn’t just being fought by soldiers in Iraq and Afganistan. Everyday local state and federal police are fighting the war on terror. 9/11 could have been delayed, stopped, or its effects lessened by better law enforcement. Ourgovernment has INS agents that are making sure that we don’t have undocumented foreign nationals in our country, going to flight school or what not.

Our borders? Protected by POLICE not by the army. Hate to tell you that.

Yeah. I didn’t get most of that. Pretty disjointed. I’m sure you meant well.

You make a lot of assumtions about me. It’s fun. Do it some more. I can only make two assumptions about you:

  1. You should put up an avatar in which you are wearing a SHIRT.

  2. You are not very bright.

Now we can’t have it both ways on here with cops. We have threads saying they’re nuts and abuse their power. And we have threads thanking them for their valiant service. I’m in the middle. I think most cops do it for a job. Some do it to REALLY make a difference. And some do it to exercise their oversized egos after the get buzzed on power. My guess: You fall in the third category.

Since you are little more than dumb kid, I’ll tell you what it was like for people my age, at the end of the Cold War: The military was not the place our ‘best and brightest’ went. It was where the kids who couldn’t get into to college went. It’s where the vocational schook kids went when they washed out as electricians because they couldn’t stay sober.

If you think that I should have ditched my scholarship and an opporutinty - one day - to play in the NFL (and at the VERY least get a great education for nothing), well that shows why you don’t have the sense to NOT post pics of you with your shirt off.

So basically what you’re saying is “You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.”

Trying telling all this stuff to Patrick Tillman next time you go to a Cards game. Oh wait…you can’t. Regardless, you don’t have to excuse your decision not to join the military. You aren’t a bad guy for not joining and there’s no shame in it. But it is wrong to speak from a place of authority merely because you “almost” joined.

mike

I hope this is not directed at me. I never said I almost joined. Never said that. Never thought about joining. Most of you fuckers are so dumb that you invent fragements of conversation to argue about. [/quote]

And I quote." I’ve not been in the military. I did have a full-ride football scholarship. So the choice was pretty easy. What about you? Did you get offered a great laborer position right out of highschool that you coulnd’t pass up?"

If that isn’t saying that you disregarded military service to play football then you weren’t an english major in college.

mike

mike

106

[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
BarneyFife wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
When my country holds a bayonet to my back to get me to fight, it is no longer my country anymore…

Yeah. Today’s 18-25 crowd won’t fight. Oh, unless it’s for a Playstation 3, that is!

Well now. I understand that you haven’t served in the military. You said that you had a full ride football scholarship, so the choice was easy. Well what about loose tool. He started his college 3 years late to serve. Why couldn’t you be more like him Since you are so worried about other people not being in the military, why don’t we discuss your lack of a service record. Are you over the age of 42 hack? If your not, welll then maybe you should just go on down to the recruiting office and sign up. You might even be able to go through OCS and become an officer, with your college degree and all. And think of all the option that you have to serve! Not just active duty, but reserves and national guard. I guess the generation before mine isn’t really keen on fighting either.

Your hatred for law enforcement is really misplaced. The “war on terror” isn’t just being fought by soldiers in Iraq and Afganistan. Everyday local state and federal police are fighting the war on terror. 9/11 could have been delayed, stopped, or its effects lessened by better law enforcement. Ourgovernment has INS agents that are making sure that we don’t have undocumented foreign nationals in our country, going to flight school or what not.

Our borders? Protected by POLICE not by the army. Hate to tell you that.

Yeah. I didn’t get most of that. Pretty disjointed. I’m sure you meant well.

You make a lot of assumtions about me. It’s fun. Do it some more. I can only make two assumptions about you:

  1. You should put up an avatar in which you are wearing a SHIRT.

  2. You are not very bright.

Now we can’t have it both ways on here with cops. We have threads saying they’re nuts and abuse their power. And we have threads thanking them for their valiant service. I’m in the middle. I think most cops do it for a job. Some do it to REALLY make a difference. And some do it to exercise their oversized egos after the get buzzed on power. My guess: You fall in the third category.

Since you are little more than dumb kid, I’ll tell you what it was like for people my age, at the end of the Cold War: The military was not the place our ‘best and brightest’ went. It was where the kids who couldn’t get into to college went. It’s where the vocational schook kids went when they washed out as electricians because they couldn’t stay sober.

If you think that I should have ditched my scholarship and an opporutinty - one day - to play in the NFL (and at the VERY least get a great education for nothing), well that shows why you don’t have the sense to NOT post pics of you with your shirt off.

So basically what you’re saying is “You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.”

Trying telling all this stuff to Patrick Tillman next time you go to a Cards game. Oh wait…you can’t. Regardless, you don’t have to excuse your decision not to join the military. You aren’t a bad guy for not joining and there’s no shame in it. But it is wrong to speak from a place of authority merely because you “almost” joined.

mike

I hope this is not directed at me. I never said I almost joined. Never said that. Never thought about joining. Most of you fuckers are so dumb that you invent fragements of conversation to argue about.

And I quote." I’ve not been in the military. I did have a full-ride football scholarship. So the choice was pretty easy. What about you? Did you get offered a great laborer position right out of highschool that you coulnd’t pass up?"

If that isn’t saying that you disregarded military service to play football then you weren’t an english major in college.

mike

mike[/quote]

seriously, mike? you think that - somewhere in here - i say that i ‘almost’ joined? are you that fucking dumb? seriously? are you?

107

And while this war keeps going, the USD keeps going down and down to soon become worthless. If we go to war with N Korea and Iran, we are screwed. Personally, I think we are F*cked in Iraq. I do support our troops, but I don’t think I would be willing to die for a country that about 1 in 6 would call me a terrorist if I told them I am half Iranian, but wouldn’t care if I told them I was half Persian.

Or when people can’t accept that because a few bad apples, doesn’t mean the race is bad. This story got me laughing, State

108

[quote]BH6 wrote:
go back to sleeping under the blanket of freedom that I provide. [/quote]

You aren’t providing a damn thing besides a really good reason for foreigners who dislike this country to take up arms against it.

I have absolutely no gratitude to you and your kind. Neither should any rational person.

109

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
BH6 wrote:
go back to sleeping under the blanket of freedom that I provide.

You aren’t providing a damn thing besides a really good reason for foreigners who dislike this country to take up arms against it.

I have absolutely no gratitude to you and your kind. Neither should any rational person. [/quote]

You are consistently wrong with every post no matter the subject.

Amazing.

110

It’s worthwhile so long as provides something for us to tussle over.

111

There will almost certainly not be a draft, in order to support the war effort in Iraq.

That is because people with common sense can plainly see that Bush’s war in Iraq was never about “defending America”.

True, Americans might not riot in the street, to protest a non-essential war of choice.

But Americans will not stand for a military draft, to support a non-essential war of choice.

112

[quote]hedo wrote:
I don’t think people would rush to arms if the country was attacked. The country has been pussified to a great degree. It really has. I 'd like to think they would but if the agressor offered terms most of the population would roll over in less then a week.

We need a bigger army because most troops aren’t cut our for combat. Less then 5% of soldiers are killers. They need support, maitenance and logistics.

I don’t want my warfighters PM’ing the equipment. I want them out fighting and killing the enemy. To selct those warfighters you need a pool of talent. If you have a large pool to draw from then you will have more soldiers to draw from. I wouldn’t want the whole army to be conscripts but the conscripts can serve a purpose.

Sorry if you can’t serve your country when they call you then you shouldn’t expect others to do it for you. It’s not fair on those that are called and who go.

I also wouldn’t get to tied up with this whole chickenhawk debate. Most people didn’t serve in the military and only a small percentage of them acutall saw combat. It doesn’t qualify you for anything except more combat. I don’t want my politcal leaders making choices based on how hard combat may be on the troops. It’s a recipe for disaster and weakness. Political leaders decide why. General take care of the “how” part.[/quote]

Totally agreed. I’ve had conversations with my friends about the draft, and it seems like at least half say they would go hide out in Canada. Me, I don’t want to join the army. I’m on scholarship at a good school playing football, but if I got drafted I would go in a second.

I’m not trying to call myself sir valiant or anything… I’d be scared as hell, but it’s everyone’s duty. Most everyone that’s anti-draft is just scared. Suck it up… it’s just like some fat turd that’s too scared to do the work to get in shape.

113

[quote]Fezzik wrote:

Totally agreed. I’ve had conversations with my friends about the draft, and it seems like at least half say they would go hide out in Canada. Me, I don’t want to join the army. I’m on scholarship at a good school playing football, but if I got drafted I would go in a second.

I’m not trying to call myself sir valiant or anything… I’d be scared as hell, but it’s everyone’s duty. Most everyone that’s anti-draft is just scared. Suck it up… it’s just like some fat turd that’s too scared to do the work to get in shape.[/quote]

Everyone opposing slavery is just scared?

It is everyone`s duty to fight in a war just because an elected slime-ball said so?

The fact that you might have to kill or die: Just suck it up?

You know why the average soldier is pretty young?

They are still stupid enough to believe that shit…

114

[quote]Brad61 wrote:
There will almost certainly not be a draft, in order to support the war effort in Iraq.

That is because people with common sense can plainly see that Bush’s war in Iraq was never about “defending America”.

True, Americans might not riot in the street, to protest a non-essential war of choice.

But Americans will not stand for a military draft, to support a non-essential war of choice.[/quote]

It would never get that far. America is a Democracy and instuting a draft is political suicide.

The politicians love their jobs to much to push for a draft.

115

[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
endgamer711 wrote:
Mostly the great representative body of the people (if you can call it that with a straight face) never actually bothers to declare war anymore. Iraq is a case in point.

I think they are referring to Congress, which did vote in a joint resolution to use force in Iraq.

[/quote]

Yes, the writer was referring to Congress alright, but in this instance - as in so many others - Congress didn’t declare war. What the cited court decision said was that a draft was justified in time of declared war. The decision didn’t say anything about times of authorized use of force.

But that’s the pesky way these decisions are written, to paraphrase the Mikado. Anyway, as I said, failure to declare war leaves a loophole you could drive a troop transport through.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
When my country holds a bayonet to my back to get me to fight, it is no longer my country anymore…[/quote]

When Muslims invade your country and blow everything up, it is no longer your country.