[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
When my country holds a bayonet to my back to get me to fight, it is no longer my country anymore…
Yeah. Today’s 18-25 crowd won’t fight. Oh, unless it’s for a Playstation 3, that is![/quote]
Where was you military service you arrogant troll motherfucker?
That’s right, “Tis not ours to reason why, only ours to do and die.”
You piece of shit, I won’t lay down my life to save lazy asses like yourself who talk a good game and never see it yourself.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
When my country holds a bayonet to my back to get me to fight, it is no longer my country anymore…
Yeah. Today’s 18-25 crowd won’t fight. Oh, unless it’s for a Playstation 3, that is!
Where was you military service you arrogant troll motherfucker?
That’s right, “Tis not ours to reason why, only ours to do and die.”
You piece of shit, I won’t lay down my life to save lazy asses like yourself who talk a good game and never see it yourself.[/quote]
“Their’s not to make reply, Their’s not to reason why, Their’s but to do and die: Into the valley of Death Rode the six hundred.”
I have confidence that my version’s accurate. Your’s is about as ‘off’ as that psycho-drivel you call ‘writing’. If you quote Tennyson, please do it well.
I’d like your definition of ‘lazy-ass’. Me? Or a scumbag who is so broke and unmotivated that he proudly crows ‘I’m not above commiting a crime for money’ (Of course, I paraphrase here because a dipshit kid like you is not worth actually quoting!).
See, you can’t win in a situation like this because you’ve written a bunch of stuff about yourself. Stuff most people would be ashamed of, you brag about. I think this says all we need to know about you and what your ‘core values’ are, right?
I’m lazy, I GUESS, because I run an agency of about 4,000 people that actually helps about 1,000,000 people across my state. The price I pay for having a couple of advanced degrees, huh? Lazy fuck me, right?
You are, what? A laborer? How’s that working out for you? Fucking loser.
I’m still kind of unclear how you are qualified to discuss much of anything with me. I’m mean, my station in life vs. yours. Your pathetic writing…I guess it’s supposed to be philosophy. But you can blame that on youth in few years, I guess. Shit. You don’t even lift half what I do.
I can see where the rage comes from.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Dem Logic: Defend the country of Freedom by enslaving a portion of its citizenry. Subject them to possible dismemberment and death against their will.
Everytime the Dems do something, they expose themselves for the criminals and cretins they are.
Just curious: didn’t you guys who voted for these ‘people’ realize you were buying a package deal? Howard, Nancy, Hillary, Charles, the whole tribe comes along with the congress-things you voted for.
Surprise, Surprise, SURPRISE, Gomer!! There ARE consequences to your actions…[/quote]
Should we have voted for Republicans HH? Would that have helped? Real ID was passed mostly by Republicans. Posse Comitatus is esentially dead now thanks to republicans. We CANNOT EVEN GAMBLE ONLINE ANYMORE THANKS TO REPUBLICANS. Yeah, They sure care a lot about freedom. If you think todays republicans are even a little bit like Reagan and Goldwater then you have another thing coming.
mike
[quote]BH6 wrote:
So lets say you did get drafted, right now into the Army. Here is what you would get.
Pay: As an E-1 (lowest rank) $14,137.2 a year before taxes for the first 4 months of active service. That bumps up to 15,282 a year after that 4 months and then to 17,128 a year after about 9 months when you pick up E-2.
This is just your base pay.
You will also get a housing allowance if you are married or you are an unmarried parent (your kid rates military benefits). If you are from my area, that is an extra $1614.00 a month tax free. This amount increases as you get promoted.
You will also get family seperation pay for $250 a month if you are married or you have a kid and deployed as well as hazardous duty pay of $225 more a month when you are deployed to a war zone.
Your pay is completely tax free in a war zone, so an E-2 in Iraq that is married (or has a child) from the D.C. area can pull down about 20,000 a year tax free.
Medical Benefits: Comprehensive medical, comprehensive dental with a yearly checkup, all at no cost to you. Comprehensive medical for your spouse and children.
Insurance Benefits: Very low cost life insurance that is up to about 300,000 coverage on you and your spouse.
Retirement Benefits: you are eligible for retirement at 20 years of active service. You can also contribute to the Thrift Savings Plan which works like an IRA. That money is available to you without doing the 20 years.
Uniform Allowance: You get a yearly 250 dollar or so allowance for purchasing uniforms, which are issued to you for free at your initial entry training.
Raises: You will get a yearly raise of at least 2-3 % plus a raise for every two years of active service.
Promotion: You will be eligible for promotion up to about E-3 or E-4 by the time you are done with your draft service. You can go higher if you really apply yourself.
Meals: Eating in the chow hall is free.
Education: Education benefits vary by service, but the Army is giving away about 30,000 for college at the end of your tour if you sign up for the Montgomery GI Bill program (you contribute 1200 dollars, the VA matches with 10,000 and then the Army kicks in the rest)
While you are on active service there a numerous tuition assistance programs that will pay for you to get a college degree.
Veterans Benefits: You will be eligible for VA benefits at the completion of 6 months of active duty. If you are wounded severly, you will be given medical benefits from the VA for the rest of your life, regardless of your time in service.
And that is about all I can think of off the top of my head. Hardly slavery, which would imply you work with no compensation.
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Slaves were fed and clothed. That is kind of a necessary requirement to having them live. Some slaves even had really nice masters that took really good care of them. Did this make them any less of slaves? If you are forced into a line of work and are denied the freedom to leave then you are a slave. At least today’s military signed away their life rather than had it taken.
mike
[quote]BarneyFife wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
BarneyFife wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
When my country holds a bayonet to my back to get me to fight, it is no longer my country anymore…
Yeah. Today’s 18-25 crowd won’t fight. Oh, unless it’s for a Playstation 3, that is!
What a shame. Who in the heck taught todays youth to think for themselves, and to make sure that they agreed with a conflict and deemed it worth of spilling their blood over before they join up.
I sure hope we can bring back the good old days of blind unthinking obedience to the government, like at buchenwald and aushcwitz. Makes me kind of nostalgic.
I really think that not enough manpower is the problem. If we had more troops in iraq, we would be able to find those weapons of mass destruction.
Oh. Sorry. I thought we were talking about govenment in AMERICA!? I realize that Bushitler is a tyrant and that US government’s overall legacy is one of murder and corruption (please note that this is SARCASM), but last I checked it was our elightened, anti-war and VERY European friends in Germany that murdered the Jews in concentration camps.
Look, Barney. Being a cowhard is not something to be ashamed of. Embrace it. It’s who you are. It’s your generation’s legacy (that and Jerry Springer). It’s why you want to be a cop.
I was turned down for ROTC. I have no intention to enlist, when I have already tried to join on my terms. I had everything I needed to get an rotc scholarship. I had a letter of recomendation from a kansas senator, a 31 on my act, (which puts me in the golden area on the charts for ROTC service), passed the pt tests with flying colors, and had all the other letters of recomendation that I needed.
The recruiter told me I wouldn’t get into rotc because I was not black or female (he used much more colorful terms, a smart man like you can figure it out).
I thought he was full of crap, after all he wasn’t the one making the decision, there is a board that does that. I then got a letter saying that I had been turned down for an rotc slot. Why in the hell should I enlist when I have already been turned down for something that I was well qualified for?[/quote]
You couldn’t join under your terms?! Wow, I bet you would have made a great officer too! We all know that being in the military is about getting things your way, particularly if you are an officer. That’s exactly the mindset of a good leader. I refer you back to the cop thread fife; you’ll fit in just fine as a JBT.
mike
[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
When my country holds a bayonet to my back to get me to fight, it is no longer my country anymore…
Yeah. Today’s 18-25 crowd won’t fight. Oh, unless it’s for a Playstation 3, that is!
Where was you military service you arrogant troll motherfucker?
That’s right, “Tis not ours to reason why, only ours to do and die.”
You piece of shit, I won’t lay down my life to save lazy asses like yourself who talk a good game and never see it yourself.
“Their’s not to make reply, Their’s not to reason why, Their’s but to do and die: Into the valley of Death Rode the six hundred.”
I have confidence that my version’s accurate. Your’s is about as ‘off’ as that psycho-drivel you call ‘writing’. If you quote Tennyson, please do it well.
I’d like your definition of ‘lazy-ass’. Me? Or a scumbag who is so broke and unmotivated that he proudly crows ‘I’m not above commiting a crime for money’ (Of course, I paraphrase here because a dipshit kid like you is not worth actually quoting!).
See, you can’t win in a situation like this because you’ve written a bunch of stuff about yourself. Stuff most people would be ashamed of, you brag about. I think this says all we need to know about you and what your ‘core values’ are, right?
I’m lazy, I GUESS, because I run an agency of about 4,000 people that actually helps about 1,000,000 people across my state. The price I pay for having a couple of advanced degrees, huh? Lazy fuck me, right?
You are, what? A laborer? How’s that working out for you? Fucking loser.
I’m still kind of unclear how you are qualified to discuss much of anything with me. I’m mean, my station in life vs. yours. Your pathetic writing…I guess it’s supposed to be philosophy. But you can blame that on youth in few years, I guess. Shit. You don’t even lift half what I do.
I can see where the rage comes from. [/quote]
All men are created equal. And everyone can have their opinion. Yup, even at this site.
[quote]cap’nsalty wrote:
Hey, instead of having a draft, how about we stop getting involved in unnecessary wars? What a novel idea! I love how they talk about Afghanistan, then Iraq, then Iran, then Korea; then act as if it’s our fault the president got our shit all fucked up.
The part about the president being less likely to get involved in wars with a draft is ridiculous, and maybe even an intentional lie, there have always been ways to get the important people out of the draft.
Fact is I don’t remember the last time we had a president I would want to serve under.[/quote]
I think this post should end this topic.
Enough said.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
BarneyFife wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
BarneyFife wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
When my country holds a bayonet to my back to get me to fight, it is no longer my country anymore…
Yeah. Today’s 18-25 crowd won’t fight. Oh, unless it’s for a Playstation 3, that is!
What a shame. Who in the heck taught todays youth to think for themselves, and to make sure that they agreed with a conflict and deemed it worth of spilling their blood over before they join up.
I sure hope we can bring back the good old days of blind unthinking obedience to the government, like at buchenwald and aushcwitz. Makes me kind of nostalgic.
I really think that not enough manpower is the problem. If we had more troops in iraq, we would be able to find those weapons of mass destruction.
Oh. Sorry. I thought we were talking about govenment in AMERICA!? I realize that Bushitler is a tyrant and that US government’s overall legacy is one of murder and corruption (please note that this is SARCASM), but last I checked it was our elightened, anti-war and VERY European friends in Germany that murdered the Jews in concentration camps.
Look, Barney. Being a cowhard is not something to be ashamed of. Embrace it. It’s who you are. It’s your generation’s legacy (that and Jerry Springer). It’s why you want to be a cop.
I was turned down for ROTC. I have no intention to enlist, when I have already tried to join on my terms. I had everything I needed to get an rotc scholarship. I had a letter of recomendation from a kansas senator, a 31 on my act, (which puts me in the golden area on the charts for ROTC service), passed the pt tests with flying colors, and had all the other letters of recomendation that I needed.
The recruiter told me I wouldn’t get into rotc because I was not black or female (he used much more colorful terms, a smart man like you can figure it out).
I thought he was full of crap, after all he wasn’t the one making the decision, there is a board that does that. I then got a letter saying that I had been turned down for an rotc slot. Why in the hell should I enlist when I have already been turned down for something that I was well qualified for?
You couldn’t join under your terms?! Wow, I bet you would have made a great officer too! We all know that being in the military is about getting things your way, particularly if you are an officer. That’s exactly the mindset of a good leader. I refer you back to the cop thread fife; you’ll fit in just fine as a JBT.
mike[/quote]
What I meant by that was, If I couldn’t join as an officer, then I wasn’t going to join as enlisted. That was my only stipulation.
[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
When my country holds a bayonet to my back to get me to fight, it is no longer my country anymore…
Yeah. Today’s 18-25 crowd won’t fight. Oh, unless it’s for a Playstation 3, that is!
Where was you military service you arrogant troll motherfucker?
That’s right, “Tis not ours to reason why, only ours to do and die.”
You piece of shit, I won’t lay down my life to save lazy asses like yourself who talk a good game and never see it yourself.
“Their’s not to make reply, Their’s not to reason why, Their’s but to do and die: Into the valley of Death Rode the six hundred.”
I have confidence that my version’s accurate. Your’s is about as ‘off’ as that psycho-drivel you call ‘writing’. If you quote Tennyson, please do it well.
I’d like your definition of ‘lazy-ass’. Me? Or a scumbag who is so broke and unmotivated that he proudly crows ‘I’m not above commiting a crime for money’ (Of course, I paraphrase here because a dipshit kid like you is not worth actually quoting!).
See, you can’t win in a situation like this because you’ve written a bunch of stuff about yourself. Stuff most people would be ashamed of, you brag about. I think this says all we need to know about you and what your ‘core values’ are, right?
I’m lazy, I GUESS, because I run an agency of about 4,000 people that actually helps about 1,000,000 people across my state. The price I pay for having a couple of advanced degrees, huh? Lazy fuck me, right?
You are, what? A laborer? How’s that working out for you? Fucking loser.
I’m still kind of unclear how you are qualified to discuss much of anything with me. I’m mean, my station in life vs. yours. Your pathetic writing…I guess it’s supposed to be philosophy. But you can blame that on youth in few years, I guess. Shit. You don’t even lift half what I do.
I can see where the rage comes from. [/quote]
Yeah, yeah, yeah: where and when did you serve your country? In what branch of the military?
Funny how it’s always the chickenhawks who want everyone else to fight when they have “better things to do.”
[quote]BarneyFife wrote:
What I meant by that was, If I couldn’t join as an officer, then I wasn’t going to join as enlisted. That was my only stipulation.[/quote]
Let’s be clear about something. You weren’t looking to join the military to serve. You were looking to join ROTC to get the government to pay for your education. Big difference.
[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
BarneyFife wrote:
What I meant by that was, If I couldn’t join as an officer, then I wasn’t going to join as enlisted. That was my only stipulation.
Let’s be clear about something. You weren’t looking to join the military to serve. You were looking to join ROTC to get the government to pay for your education. Big difference.
[/quote]
Hahahhahhahahahhahhahahhahahahahhahahah. Yeah, what a shame to have thinking people refuse to serve their country based on rank.
This is just some shrewd political maneuvering by Rangel, to try to expose the right wing chickenhawks for the hypocritical cowards that they are.
Since there’s some talk that Bush wants to still do Iran, this little move by Rangel is right on time. All the right wing chickenhawks who want to rah-rah-rah for attacking Iran will have a chance to either put up or shut up.
[quote]Brad61 wrote:
This is just some shrewd political maneuvering by Rangel, to try to expose the right wing chickenhawks for the hypocritical cowards that they are.
Since there’s some talk that Bush wants to still do Iran, this little move by Rangel is right on time. All the right wing chickenhawks who want to rah-rah-rah for attacking Iran will have a chance to either put up or shut up.[/quote]
Sorry, it illustrates nothing. Conscription is a seperate issue from agreeing or disagreeing with the Iraq war. The fact that Rangel can’t distinguish the two very different issues is laughable. This man is a representative? Voluntary military, yes. Involuntary military, no. It’s that simple.
[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
BarneyFife wrote:
What I meant by that was, If I couldn’t join as an officer, then I wasn’t going to join as enlisted. That was my only stipulation.
Let’s be clear about something. You weren’t looking to join the military to serve. You were looking to join ROTC to get the government to pay for your education. Big difference.
[/quote]
Which isn’t that much different then those that enlist for the educational benefits afterwards, or college students in the national guard to help pay for college. I just wanted payment up front, instead of afterwards.
Well first of all, I said Iran. Bush still wants to do Iran. So this move by Rangel will put the spotlight on the chickenhawks who want to attack Iran, as long as somebody else does the heavy lifting.
But since you mentioned Iraq… the fact is that nobody who backed invading Iraq would have supported it, if they thought that they (meaning you, unless of course you are typing this from Iraq) or their kids would have to go.
It exposes the chickenhawks for being hypocritical pussies. If we really ARE involved in a global war on terror that will last for generations (as Bush says) then we should have a draft.
If politicians should not dictate military strategy based on getting votes, but on what wins or loses, then there should be a draft. Even General Abuzaid admitted that we cannot maintain this current troop level in Iraq for much longer. That means America will pull troops, because Bush lacks the political courage to follow through on his original premise, that the war in Iraq was somehow vital to American security.
Of course we need to kill some time, about two years actually, so that Bush can get out of office and try to duck the blame for what happens in Iraq after that.
[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
“Their’s not to make reply, Their’s not to reason why, Their’s but to do and die: Into the valley of Death Rode the six hundred.”
I have confidence that my version’s accurate. Your’s is about as ‘off’ as that psycho-drivel you call ‘writing’. If you quote Tennyson, please do it well.
[/quote]
I didn’t have time to look up the exact quote. I’m glad you did. The point still stands that I won’t lay down my life while some dipshit like you cheers from the sidelines.
Most people aren’t above committing a crime for money. Not my fault I admit it. Unmotivated huh? Haha. Think what you will bud, you still don’t know me from a hole in the wall.
I put myself out there, and I’m not making any apologies. Whatever I write is exactly how I feel and think. If you don’t like it, don’t read it.
My values are terrible, I know…being as I’m apparently one of those white trash motherfuckers you and your precious family are trying to run from.
And you call us liberals the elites? Ridiculous.
Blah blah blah, and I’ve got a twelve inch dick. You’re an internet hero who hides behind the moniker of “Hack”. You think I take you seriously? Ha.
A laborer who is two weeks away from a bachelor’s in English. Yup, I’m a loser.
[quote]
I’m still kind of unclear how you are qualified to discuss much of anything with me. I’m mean, my station in life vs. yours. Your pathetic writing…I guess it’s supposed to be philosophy. But you can blame that on youth in few years, I guess. Shit. You don’t even lift half what I do.
I can see where the rage comes from. [/quote]
LOL. Arrogance at it’s best! Again, you’re an internet hero who has never proven anything beyond the fact that he’s a dimwitted elitist jerkoff who likes to talk shit on a lifting website.
Man, I don’t give a shit what you think of me or my writing. And if getting to your “Station in life” (fuckin laughable) is what I should be aiming for, then you win brother.
I’d rather slam my dick in a door and live in the streets than be a conceited bitchy pric like you.
Hey Hack, by the way…when did you serve in the military again? Oh that’s right, in your tirade you must have missed that one…funny how that shit works.
[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
You are, what? A laborer? How’s that working out for you? Fucking loser. [/quote]
You’ll probably say that this is a context-driven quote or ‘satire,’ but I cannot get behind anyone poking fun at anyone else for holding an honest job. There’s no shame in being a laborer.
[quote]Brad61 wrote:
Sorry, it illustrates nothing. Conscription is a seperate issue from agreeing or disagreeing with the Iraq war.
Well first of all, I said Iran. Bush still wants to do Iran. So this move by Rangel will put the spotlight on the chickenhawks who want to attack Iran, as long as somebody else does the heavy lifting.
But since you mentioned Iraq… the fact is that nobody who backed invading Iraq would have supported it, if they thought that they (meaning you, unless of course you are typing this from Iraq) or their kids would have to go.
It exposes the chickenhawks for being hypocritical pussies. If we really ARE involved in a global war on terror that will last for generations (as Bush says) then we should have a draft.
If politicians should not dictate military strategy based on getting votes, but on what wins or loses, then there should be a draft. Even General Abuzaid admitted that we cannot maintain this current troop level in Iraq for much longer. That means America will pull troops, because Bush lacks the political courage to follow through on his original premise, that the war in Iraq was somehow vital to American security.
Of course we need to kill some time, about two years actually, so that Bush can get out of office and try to duck the blame for what happens in Iraq after that.[/quote]
So you support a draft. Ok, we’ll have to disagree.
[quote]Brad61 wrote:
But since you mentioned Iraq… the fact is that nobody who backed invading Iraq would have supported it, if they thought that they (meaning you, unless of course you are typing this from Iraq) or their kids would have to go.
[/quote]
No, actually I’d still have supported it. Even if I had to go, or if I had kids. But, I didn’t join the voluntary military. Nor, would they take me. So instead, I do the same thing you do, give an opinion.
I support police putting their lives on the line to fight crime, though I’m not a police officer.
I support Firefighters doing their risky jobs, though I’m unwilling to join the department.
I support friggin Alaskan Crab fisherman risking thier lives to secure my supper, though I’m not going to hire onto a crew.
Stupid? Yes. But so is the “you can’t have an opinion if you didn’t join” crowd. Get a new schtick, that one doesn’t fly.