Men afraid of commitment?

[quote]pat wrote:
This thread seems to have spawn a bunch of relationship threads…Good job Em. You started a trend.[/quote]

It certainly has covered some weird ground! lol

[quote]WhiteSturgeon wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]WhiteSturgeon wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
If we had tag lines here I might use that. “Classic nerd.” lol

Your back is incredible, btw.[/quote]

How about “nerd chic”? :D[/quote]

“Awkward dork.”

Edit: although I’m only awkward around men I perceive as having romantic interest, or who are interesting to me in that way. Otherwise I’m pretty chill.[/quote]

I have always found awkwardness in a chick endearing. Problem is when it makes me laugh, a lot of times this is perceived as me laughing at them from whatever pedestal of cool they then assume I have propped myself on just get pissed. Actually, most of the time it is just making me smile and drawing a laugh because I found it cute.[/quote]

I’ve been thinking about you this weekend because I’ve been hanging out with the hunter guy, and damn near every time he looks at me, he laughs. I’m pretty funny (on purpose) so that’s part of it, but I’m not funny on purpose when there’s close physical proximity or when he says stuff that I don’t know how to respond to. Then I have to do this slow, painful trying-to-think process, and I don’t EVER come up with anything. It’s like there’s no data stored in the Sexual Innuendo Comeback or Post-Kiss sections of my brain for me to retrieve. So I stand there blankly (PAINFULLY) until I finally have to look away to regroup and then change the subject to something completely apropos of nothing. And he’s laughing! God. Embarrassing.

But he likes me, that’s very clear, so while my own ridiculous incompetence bothers me, his laughter doesn’t.

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LOL! You are so funny. :slight_smile:

It sounds like you might like this guy! [/quote]

Yes! And now we’re right back where we started 39 pages ago. I spent a good bit of yesterday kissing the hunter guy. He smells GOOD. I wasn’t missing the ex-boyfriend at all. Not at ALL. But now I’m back in that place again. Pre-anything serious physically, and thinking that I don’t think it’s workable long term, but - I sure would like to kiss some more. But if I do I’ll wind up having sex and getting attached and tumbling headlong into love and commitment.

WTF is wrong with me?? Something! lol

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

or they play with their hair because it has a tangle.[/quote]

This made me laugh. [/quote]

Have split-ends do you?[/quote]

No, but my hair is curly and I definitely get tangles. But more than that I was laughing because all the PUA wisdom is that if a girl is messing with her hair SHE WANTS YOU. The video in my head of a girl at the bar trying to get her hair untangled while some poor guy gets all excited was funny.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

or they play with their hair because it has a tangle.[/quote]

This made me laugh. [/quote]

Have split-ends do you?[/quote]

No, but my hair is curly and I definitely get tangles. But more than that I was laughing because all the PUA wisdom is that if a girl is messing with her hair SHE WANTS YOU. The video in my head of a girl at the bar trying to get her hair untangled while some poor guy gets all excited was funny.[/quote]

Better to err on that side than on the other.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

or they play with their hair because it has a tangle.[/quote]

This made me laugh. [/quote]

Have split-ends do you?[/quote]

No, but my hair is curly and I definitely get tangles. But more than that I was laughing because all the PUA wisdom is that if a girl is messing with her hair SHE WANTS YOU. The video in my head of a girl at the bar trying to get her hair untangled while some poor guy gets all excited was funny.[/quote]

Better to err on that side than on the other. [/quote]

True!

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:
Two things I’d like to say on the topic. Men are not afraid of commitment, they either choose to not commit for not wanting to compromise their personal freedom or because committing to a woman is and investment. Much like any investment you can’t park the same money twice. If you want a man to invest in you be worth it. Give frequent blowjobs, make him feel good and confident and encourage him to follow his dreams and don’t force him to compromise things he enjoys. If a man doesn’t want to commit it is because the girl doesn’t give enough BJ’s or make him feel like Hercules. Or he doesn’t want to give up video games, Internet porn and casual sex, mainly because the girl in question may not be better than those things, or giving frequent enough BJ’s. bare min BJ quota is once a week. I don’t say this for shock or to be gross, it’s just true. Almost any man will give up a hobby and most of his casual friends for an annual 52 BJ minimum guarantee.

Second thing: harrypotter is a creepy trolling weirdo and should never be taken seriously. [/quote]

There is of course something else.

Show me the man who does not have a spring in his step if his schlong is worshipped like a god on the regular.

It really is a tiny investement for the woman and makes a hyyyyyoooooge difference for the man.

A woman who cannot go out of her way for 30 minutes each week, which would cover 2-3 Blojays, is not a keeper.

Imagine if she had to put some real effort in. [/quote]

So, do you mean 2-3 to completion? Or not necessarily to completion, but as a part of the usual menu of foreplay and sometimes all the way?

A question I have, if to completion, is whether that means that she’s getting significantly less sex than you and if it’s enough for her?

I’m sort of under the impression that BJs are standard nowadays, at least here. But that assumes a healthy, happy relationship, I guess? She should have a spring in her step, too, no? I know I was floating when everything was working the way it was supposed to. How can a woman NOT hero-worship someone who makes her feel good in her mind and her heart and her body?

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I am wavering a bit on the completion part.

Be that as it may, I am a cunning linguist.

I am also a bit mindboggled, so you say that there are women out there who want sex more often than me?[/quote]

Well, I don’t know how often you want it, but I can’t imagine there aren’t women out there who want it as much. Sex is pretty good fun, IMO. What better is there to do on a cold night or morning, in a tent in summertime, or the kitchen while dinner is cooking? To me, ideally, it’s an expression of love and giving, and that’s part of the delight of it.

So once again I go back to healthy girls vs. not healthy. I tend to think that many promiscuous girls and women are looking for something that is not sex and the endless rejections and whatever set them on that path in the first place ruin sex for them (it gets tied up in guilt and shame). Of course, a lot of completely undamaged women like to have sex and pursue it for its own sake, without wanting anything more. That’s fine.

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I’m with ya Em. I think sex is pretty good fun too. I haven’t had it had it in a long time. I’m thinking it has been 2 weeks or at least a week and a half. Since I’m looking for a quality woman i’m trying to avoid the ones I can tap upon first meeting.

[quote]WhiteSturgeon wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
They make pink guns you know. A nice .380 [/quote]
Really? I happen to like my Smith & Wesson .357/.38 caliber with a 6 inch barrel. :wink: [/quote]

I don’t call you Mega Man for nothin’. :wink:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]WhiteSturgeon wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]WhiteSturgeon wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
If we had tag lines here I might use that. “Classic nerd.” lol

Your back is incredible, btw.[/quote]

How about “nerd chic”? :D[/quote]

“Awkward dork.”

Edit: although I’m only awkward around men I perceive as having romantic interest, or who are interesting to me in that way. Otherwise I’m pretty chill.[/quote]

I have always found awkwardness in a chick endearing. Problem is when it makes me laugh, a lot of times this is perceived as me laughing at them from whatever pedestal of cool they then assume I have propped myself on just get pissed. Actually, most of the time it is just making me smile and drawing a laugh because I found it cute.[/quote]

I’ve been thinking about you this weekend because I’ve been hanging out with the hunter guy, and damn near every time he looks at me, he laughs. I’m pretty funny (on purpose) so that’s part of it, but I’m not funny on purpose when there’s close physical proximity or when he says stuff that I don’t know how to respond to. Then I have to do this slow, painful trying-to-think process, and I don’t EVER come up with anything. It’s like there’s no data stored in the Sexual Innuendo Comeback or Post-Kiss sections of my brain for me to retrieve. So I stand there blankly (PAINFULLY) until I finally have to look away to regroup and then change the subject to something completely apropos of nothing. And he’s laughing! God. Embarrassing.

But he likes me, that’s very clear, so while my own ridiculous incompetence bothers me, his laughter doesn’t.

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LOL! You are so funny. :slight_smile:

It sounds like you might like this guy! [/quote]

Yes! And now we’re right back where we started 39 pages ago. I spent a good bit of yesterday kissing the hunter guy. He smells GOOD. I wasn’t missing the ex-boyfriend at all. Not at ALL. But now I’m back in that place again. Pre-anything serious physically, and thinking that I don’t think it’s workable long term, but - I sure would like to kiss some more. But if I do I’ll wind up having sex and getting attached and tumbling headlong into love and commitment.

WTF is wrong with me?? Something! lol

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Shit, you overthink things. Go with it and enjoy it. Who cares if it doesn’t end up being anything serious.

[quote]The Other Titan wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]WhiteSturgeon wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]WhiteSturgeon wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
If we had tag lines here I might use that. “Classic nerd.” lol

Your back is incredible, btw.[/quote]

How about “nerd chic”? :D[/quote]

“Awkward dork.”

Edit: although I’m only awkward around men I perceive as having romantic interest, or who are interesting to me in that way. Otherwise I’m pretty chill.[/quote]

I have always found awkwardness in a chick endearing. Problem is when it makes me laugh, a lot of times this is perceived as me laughing at them from whatever pedestal of cool they then assume I have propped myself on just get pissed. Actually, most of the time it is just making me smile and drawing a laugh because I found it cute.[/quote]

I’ve been thinking about you this weekend because I’ve been hanging out with the hunter guy, and damn near every time he looks at me, he laughs. I’m pretty funny (on purpose) so that’s part of it, but I’m not funny on purpose when there’s close physical proximity or when he says stuff that I don’t know how to respond to. Then I have to do this slow, painful trying-to-think process, and I don’t EVER come up with anything. It’s like there’s no data stored in the Sexual Innuendo Comeback or Post-Kiss sections of my brain for me to retrieve. So I stand there blankly (PAINFULLY) until I finally have to look away to regroup and then change the subject to something completely apropos of nothing. And he’s laughing! God. Embarrassing.

But he likes me, that’s very clear, so while my own ridiculous incompetence bothers me, his laughter doesn’t.

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LOL! You are so funny. :slight_smile:

It sounds like you might like this guy! [/quote]

Yes! And now we’re right back where we started 39 pages ago. I spent a good bit of yesterday kissing the hunter guy. He smells GOOD. I wasn’t missing the ex-boyfriend at all. Not at ALL. But now I’m back in that place again. Pre-anything serious physically, and thinking that I don’t think it’s workable long term, but - I sure would like to kiss some more. But if I do I’ll wind up having sex and getting attached and tumbling headlong into love and commitment.

WTF is wrong with me?? Something! lol

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Shit, you overthink things. Go with it and enjoy it. Who cares if it doesn’t end up being anything serious. [/quote]

I know I do! I can’t help it. And it’s always something serious with me - I have the opposite problem of you players. I can’t seem to stop attracting people as attach-y as me. It’s like some sort of disability!

I need to go back to the beginning of the thread and reread AC’s advice. Hopefully it won’t be too late this time.

[quote]Here’s something that you may find useful. FIRST, limit your physical TIME with him. I’ve found that women become attached when I see them more than one or two times per week (depending on activity). So, it MAY be the same with you, maybe not. But try this. Don’t see him more than two times per week and not on consecutive days. That SHOULD keep things from escalating too quickly.

SECOND, go on at least ONE other date per week. Regardless of whether or not you “like” the guy. Date several men. Get out there and have some fun. Go dutch if you don’t want to kiss him at the end. [/quote]

It may be too late again.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Em, I’m thinking of a new name for this thread:

The Perils of Penelope Pitstop[/quote]

I had to look her up and:

[quote]*she drives the Compact Pussycat, a pink, stereotypically feminine car equipped with an assortment of beauty supplies

*if any sport happens to be mentioned, it is revealed that she was the women’s champion in said sport in college.

*Nonetheless, when her archnemesis The Hooded Claw grabs her, she is somehow incapable of doing anything other than yelling for help.

*She will occasionally flee from his clutches, running in an unusual goose-stepping stride. [/quote]

OMG, hahahahaha. That’s me, exactly! Right down to the car full of beauty supplies and the unusual goose-stepping stride! lol

And soon I’ll have a pink gun!

I think it’s obvious by my posting history that I was the women’s champion in most sports in college.

[quote]WhiteSturgeon wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
They make pink guns you know. A nice .380 [/quote]
Really? I happen to like my Smith & Wesson .357/.38 caliber with a 6 inch barrel. :wink: [/quote]
Oh! We’re like kindred gun spirits! That’s exactly what I want to get someday, except the Ruger version.

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]WhiteSturgeon wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
They make pink guns you know. A nice .380 [/quote]
Really? I happen to like my Smith & Wesson .357/.38 caliber with a 6 inch barrel. :wink: [/quote]
Oh! We’re like kindred gun spirits! That’s exactly what I want to get someday, except the Ruger version.[/quote]

Have I said lately how much I love T Nation?

Update: hunter guy is NOT following AC’s rules for being cool and having a good time. He’s calling and texting a lot, to the point that even I am feeling crowded, and we all know that’s not like me. Or maybe it’s the first time I’ve really been tuned into the crowding. Is this because he’s horny? Desperate? He’s already saying things that are suggestive of possessiveness and long term, though I can’t think of an example offhand. But it’s definitely there.

Do I have to dump him? I’ve been clear that I’m not ready to think about anything beyond just enjoying myself in the here and now.

I think it’s connected to sex. I think maybe what happens is that these guys go into hyper-competitive mode because I’m not after casual sex with multiple men. But I don’t know how to manage that piece.

Although his 7am (on the dot) call this morning was helpful, as my alarm wasn’t set correctly and I would have overslept. : /