Men afraid of commitment?

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

I’m experiencing some confusion at present. [/quote]

Sorry to hear that.

As you know, though, time will work it out for you.[/quote]

I know. If I can just stay away from the ex-boyfriend, who’s been emailing and sending bizarre love songs.

I’m going to cut the new guy loose, I guess. He still doesn’t feel right physically, and I think he might be boring, in addition to being gone more than half the time. I think he’s also not masculine enough, although I would like not to have a lunatic. But for example, I eat more than he does. Maybe WAY more, unless he’s packing away some serious lunches. It’s awkward. I ate more than the ex-boyfriend a lot of the time, too, but he admired it (was awestruck, lol). This one - I don’t know. I feel silently judged.

I want a non-lunatic who smells exactly like my ex-boyfriend. That’s not too much to ask, is it?

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What if it turns out that what you are really attracted to is the scent of crazy?[/quote]

Possibly. I was reading your post in the Borderline thread and thinking “that’s me!” except no abuse and no Italian restaurant because my friends would kill me.

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote] EmilyQ wrote:
I want a non-lunatic who smells exactly like my ex-boyfriend. That’s not too much to ask, is it?
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What’s the deal with girls and smells? I always thought that was so weird and primitive. [/quote]

Yeah, I’ve thought the same. That’s been the case with almost every girl I’ve known. When a girl says “wow, your car smells just like you”, what’s the appropriate response? “Is that a good thing?”[/quote]

If they compliment your scent it is. I found the smell - and taste - of the ex intoxicating. It just made the air around me better. Initially we both thought I just really liked his cologne, but after camping and showering and waking together for two years it was clear that it was a pheromone/chemistry thing.

If they’re just saying, “huh, smells like you in here,” maybe not a good thing. Do they breathe deeply and contentedly in as they say it? lol

[quote]nephorm wrote:
I’m not going to read through this monster of a thread.

  1. Men who have trouble meeting women or little success with women will be more likely to want commitment as early as possible.
  2. Men who have a lot of choice will be less likely to want commitment with any randomly selected woman, but are more likely to want commitment with a woman who has qualities that are both rare and valuable from the perspective of the man.

A person with no skills, no job, and no government assistance is more likely to take whatever job will have him. A person with skills and steady income/savings is unlikely to switch jobs merely because one is available to him. He will be eager to select a job that offers benefits that are both important to him and not commonly available.

  1. Insecure men will be more likely to want commitment early, especially if they think they can lock a woman in through guilt or emotional manipulation.
    3a) Men who are suddenly made or revealed to be insecure after losing what they took for granted will often have a sudden change of heart.
  2. Some men are simply ready for commitment as a personal choice. They may want a family, believe that getting to know one person is more valuable than many partners, or have decided to bow to social/religious/family pressure.
  3. Some men will just tell you what they think you want to hear.[/quote]

While I agree with you generally, I think there’s some age dependency here and also differences in the way people behave in a low population density area vs. high.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
If they compliment your scent it is. I found the smell - and taste - of the ex intoxicating. It just made the air around me better. Initially we both thought I just really liked his cologne, but after camping and showering and waking together for two years it was clear that it was a pheromone/chemistry thing.

If they’re just saying, “huh, smells like you in here,” maybe not a good thing. Do they breathe deeply and contentedly in as they say it? lol[/quote]
Do girls have a superior olfactory sense? Yea see it’s not when they say “you smell nice.” It’s when they say “I love the way you smell.” Or they’re always wanting to take one of your jackets or your shirts or hoodie or something and then they’ll be like “I like this, it smells like you.” Maybe it comforts them when I’m away or something lol.

And I just smile and nod, but in my head I’m like “What the FUCK!? Are you like a dog or something? Are you a mutant from X-Men with an enhanced, animalistic sense of smell?”

I dunno why, I just find it very odd. I guess because it’s entirely unrelatable to me. To my nose no two people smell any differently beyond their choice of hygiene products.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
If they compliment your scent it is. I found the smell - and taste - of the ex intoxicating. It just made the air around me better. Initially we both thought I just really liked his cologne, but after camping and showering and waking together for two years it was clear that it was a pheromone/chemistry thing.

If they’re just saying, “huh, smells like you in here,” maybe not a good thing. Do they breathe deeply and contentedly in as they say it? lol[/quote]

I’m a guy and I’m the same. In fact, I’ve never gone out with a girl who didn’t ‘smell good’ to me.

I’d say as a very, very, very general rule (unless we are just talking specifically about BIG commitments like marriage, kids etc) it’s an excuse.

I know, for example, of TONS of dudes who are almost perpetually debating the whole: ‘Should I stay with her, have kids with her’ issue etc.

A lot of people IMO just don’t have big enough cajones to accept that a relationship is not ever quite going to go the distance & take the appropriate action.

Right person comes along= Commitment & or commitment based decisions/reasoning, MUCH, MUCH easier.

*Of course age is a big factor in this (among other things), most of people who I know are ready to really ‘commit’ to a relationship early on life are either A) Almost abnormally mature for their age IME OR More often than not B) Completely bonkers!!!

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

I’m experiencing some confusion at present. [/quote]

Sorry to hear that.

As you know, though, time will work it out for you.[/quote]

I know. If I can just stay away from the ex-boyfriend, who’s been emailing and sending bizarre love songs.

I’m going to cut the new guy loose, I guess. He still doesn’t feel right physically, and I think he might be boring, in addition to being gone more than half the time. I think he’s also not masculine enough, although I would like not to have a lunatic. But for example, I eat more than he does. Maybe WAY more, unless he’s packing away some serious lunches. It’s awkward. I ate more than the ex-boyfriend a lot of the time, too, but he admired it (was awestruck, lol). This one - I don’t know. I feel silently judged.

I want a non-lunatic who smells exactly like my ex-boyfriend. That’s not too much to ask, is it?

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You should definitely NOT settle. If it isn’t feeling right you should cut him loose.

I sometimes eat more than my husband does. I’m aware of it but I wouldn’t say that I feel overly awkward about it. Maybe I would feel self-conscious if I was overweight…

No!!! It is not too much to ask to be with a non-lunatic. It would be much easier if they came labeled though. :slight_smile:

Unless you just really liked your ex boyfriend’s cologne you may have a hard time finding someone that smells exactly like him. I know what you are talking about though. I remember in college, I went out with this guy that smelled soooooooooooooooo good; I would always ask to wear his sweatshirts! lol That’s the only time I ever remember really being drawn to someone’s scent though. Must be a complicated pheromone thing or something. :slight_smile:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
If they compliment your scent it is. I found the smell - and taste - of the ex intoxicating. It just made the air around me better. Initially we both thought I just really liked his cologne, but after camping and showering and waking together for two years it was clear that it was a pheromone/chemistry thing.

If they’re just saying, “huh, smells like you in here,” maybe not a good thing. Do they breathe deeply and contentedly in as they say it? lol[/quote]
Do girls have a superior olfactory sense? Yea see it’s not when they say “you smell nice.” It’s when they say “I love the way you smell.” Or they’re always wanting to take one of your jackets or your shirts or hoodie or something and then they’ll be like “I like this, it smells like you.” Maybe it comforts them when I’m away or something lol.

And I just smile and nod, but in my head I’m like “What the FUCK!? Are you like a dog or something? Are you a mutant from X-Men with an enhanced, animalistic sense of smell?”

I dunno why, I just find it very odd. I guess because it’s entirely unrelatable to me. To my nose no two people smell any differently beyond their choice of hygiene products. [/quote]

LOL! You are too funny.

So you’ve never been like, “wow, this girl smells really good!”?

[quote]WhiteSturgeon wrote:
So you’ve never been like, “wow, this girl smells really good!”?[/quote]
All girls smell sooo nice. Unless they’re gross or something. But yea most of the time if I’m around girls my nose is veritably inundated with an exotic blend of lotions and hair products. But I’ve never thought they themselves had any scent unique and separable from any other female.

[quote]GorillaMon wrote:
I’d say as a very, very, very general rule (unless we are just talking specifically about BIG commitments like marriage, kids etc) it’s an excuse.

I know, for example, of TONS of dudes who are almost perpetually debating the whole: ‘Should I stay with her, have kids with her’ issue etc.

A lot of people IMO just don’t have big enough cajones to accept that a relationship is not ever quite going to go the distance & take the appropriate action.

Right person comes along= Commitment & or commitment based decisions/reasoning, MUCH, MUCH easier.

*Of course age is a big factor in this (among other things), most of people who I know are ready to really ‘commit’ to a relationship early on life are either A) Almost abnormally mature for their age IME OR More often than not B) Completely bonkers!!![/quote]
Or C) can’t see the gap between what they’re signing up for and what they actually want.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Women certainly are very much into the smell of a man.

No, I don’t mean the rank smell a man gets after having been hunting and sleeping outdoors for a week at a time.[/quote]

I think TheBeth would disagree with you on that point.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

I’m experiencing some confusion at present. [/quote]

Sorry to hear that.

As you know, though, time will work it out for you.[/quote]

I know. If I can just stay away from the ex-boyfriend, who’s been emailing and sending bizarre love songs.

I’m going to cut the new guy loose, I guess. He still doesn’t feel right physically, and I think he might be boring, in addition to being gone more than half the time. I think he’s also not masculine enough, although I would like not to have a lunatic. But for example, I eat more than he does. Maybe WAY more, unless he’s packing away some serious lunches. It’s awkward. I ate more than the ex-boyfriend a lot of the time, too, but he admired it (was awestruck, lol). This one - I don’t know. I feel silently judged.

I want a non-lunatic who smells exactly like my ex-boyfriend. That’s not too much to ask, is it?[/quote]

Maybe he wore Giorgio Armani Acqua di Gio. That is what I always wear and women really seem to dig it.

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]WhiteSturgeon wrote:
So you’ve never been like, “wow, this girl smells really good!”?[/quote]
All girls smell sooo nice. Unless they’re gross or something. But yea most of the time if I’m around girls my nose is veritably inundated with an exotic blend of lotions and hair products. But I’ve never thought they themselves had any scent unique and separable from any other female.[/quote]

Yeah I think they generally smell good too unless they have a hygiene problem. I like it when they smell fruity. Like oranges or apples or something along those lines.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Women certainly are very much into the smell of a man.

No, I don’t mean the rank smell a man gets after having been hunting and sleeping outdoors for a week at a time.[/quote]

I think TheBeth would disagree with you on that point. [/quote]

No doubt.[/quote]

Found this interesting.

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Women certainly are very much into the smell of a man.

No, I don’t mean the rank smell a man gets after having been hunting and sleeping outdoors for a week at a time.[/quote]

I think TheBeth would disagree with you on that point. [/quote]

No doubt.[/quote]

Found this interesting.

http://www.sirc.org/publik/smell_attract.html[/quote]

That is interesting, and it backs up what I’ve always suspected about how a woman’s sexual tastes will subtly be altered by her estrus cycle. I’m convinced that the premenstrual “bitchiness” of an ovulating woman is an evolutionary mechanism to repel all but the most fit suitors. Only men who are “man enough” (producing a surfeit of testosterone, a high percentage of which would metabolize into androsterone) to get past the hormonally-induced hostility of a woman “in heat” would be allowed to mate with her.

A woman may choose the domesticated cuckold to raise her young, but she would rather the bad boy father them.

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Women certainly are very much into the smell of a man.

No, I don’t mean the rank smell a man gets after having been hunting and sleeping outdoors for a week at a time.[/quote]

I think TheBeth would disagree with you on that point. [/quote]

No doubt.[/quote]

Found this interesting.

http://www.sirc.org/publik/smell_attract.html[/quote]

That is interesting, and it backs up what I’ve always suspected about how a woman’s sexual tastes will subtly be altered by her estrus cycle. I’m convinced that the premenstrual “bitchiness” of an ovulating woman is an evolutionary mechanism to repel all but the most fit suitors. Only men who are “man enough” (producing a surfeit of testosterone, a high percentage of which would metabolize into androsterone) to get past the hormonally-induced hostility of a woman “in heat” would be allowed to mate with her.

A woman may choose the domesticated cuckold to raise her young, but she would rather the bad boy father them. [/quote]

I was watching a documentary on discovery “The Science of Sex Appeal” and they came to that conclusion as well. Pretty interesting if you see it own. The Nat Geo “Sex: How it Works” was interesting as well.

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Women certainly are very much into the smell of a man.

No, I don’t mean the rank smell a man gets after having been hunting and sleeping outdoors for a week at a time.[/quote]

I think TheBeth would disagree with you on that point. [/quote]

No doubt.[/quote]

Found this interesting.

http://www.sirc.org/publik/smell_attract.html[/quote]

That is interesting, and it backs up what I’ve always suspected about how a woman’s sexual tastes will subtly be altered by her estrus cycle. I’m convinced that the premenstrual “bitchiness” of an ovulating woman is an evolutionary mechanism to repel all but the most fit suitors. Only men who are “man enough” (producing a surfeit of testosterone, a high percentage of which would metabolize into androsterone) to get past the hormonally-induced hostility of a woman “in heat” would be allowed to mate with her.

A woman may choose the domesticated cuckold to raise her young, but she would rather the bad boy father them. [/quote]

I was watching a documentary on discovery “The Science of Sex Appeal” and they came to that conclusion as well. Pretty interesting if you see it own. The Nat Geo “Sex: How it Works” was interesting as well.[/quote]

Nooooooeeeeez !!!

Women like da friendly menz who wash da dishes!!!

Dat, dat, dat would mean that a gentle reminder to shutz da fuck up would have better chances to get you laid than walking on da eggshellz cuz she does the girl grazy thing…

You is all da misogyny.