IBE,
Retrograde viral delivery of IGF-1 in intramuscular injections is possible, but how does this translate to an oral preparation?
Tone
what a freakin cop out Roberts. Seriously what a cop out. You talk so much crap out your ass like you know why IBE is not on the 5 major AAS boards? IBE doesnt have to be on any board to make money. Dont go for store fronts dont need them. That’s why we have our own forum. We were smart enough to keep the money and make one of our own.
man i cant believe how nailed you are here and you come back with more bullshit. own up roberts and man into this. you screwed up and every time you post you spit out just a little more garbage covering up the junk you just spit out.
seriously roberts where are you getting your statistics from? how do you know ibe products are bunk? you say you are presenting the “facts”. Give me the details and proof that what you say is a “fact”. You sputter out a lot of bullshit roberts. I dont see anything here that is a fact. Give me a FACT roberts.
do you know what a FACT is? I hope with your education i dont have to look it up for you. i dont see much of an education coming out of your posts Mr Roberts. give me a fact backing up one little claim you presented in any of your posts above.
i challenge you on this open board to prove to the members you so care for and contribute to. you care so much to give them the facts then follow through with it brotha.
im calling you out roberts man up or shut up[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
I don’t particularly have the time to respond, but the idea of stepping on AG-guys turf is secondary. I saw the link to IBE and asked for it to be removed, because I don’t believe in the products.
There is a reason, I would think, that the 5 largest AAS boards on the internet do not feature IBE, but rather feather Lion or AG.
I make 0 dollars from the sales of Ancillaries, and never have. I’m presenting what I know to be facts to the members of T-Nation. They can do what they wish with those facts-
They can believe me, or they can believe people who sell the products.
Also, interestingly, an IBE board (Conversion Board)used to have a moderator who is now the owner of ChemOne, and who also told me he did not believe IBE’s Oral IGF was actually a valid product.
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dont turn this around, there are a million articles on every board i dont condone or know about. if youre on there dont think i support it. i just never lashed out at it or i disputed it logically.
roberts i gave you a chance to come to my board and see for your self the members reviews on oral igf and other proucts.
sensibly, you would take up the offer to support your theories and do research of your own. with my board and its members. You dont come across as a true researcher or writer. Not when logically opportunity presents itself and you turn it down. just makes you look the more bad here.
door is open to my board[quote]
there are articles and pieces of my work posted and reposted on every board you are a staff member on, when last I checked.
Every single one.
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[quote]LuvMuhRoids wrote:
what a freakin cop out Roberts. Seriously what a cop out. You talk so much crap out your ass like you know why IBE is not on the 5 major AAS boards? IBE doesnt have to be on any board to make money. Dont go for store fronts dont need them. That’s why we have our own forum. We were smart enough to keep the money and make one of our own.
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Weird, because IBE has been in contact with some of those boards, asking about buying advertising. Thats what 2 of the owners and some of the sponsors have told me anyway. Hell, everyone could be lying to me- but I just don’t see the point. And I’m presenting what I’ve been told. Everyone here can make their own decisions.
[quote]LuvMuhRoids wrote:
man i cant believe how nailed you are here and you come back with more bullshit. own up roberts and man into this. you screwed up and every time you post you spit out just a little more garbage covering up the junk you just spit out.
seriously roberts where are you getting your statistics from? how do you know ibe products are bunk? you say you are presenting the “facts”. Give me the details and proof that what you say is a “fact”. You sputter out a lot of bullshit roberts. I dont see anything here that is a fact. Give me a FACT roberts.
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The statistics I’m citing come from the sales figures of the two largest companies who are in the buisness, and the esitimated individual number of unique members on all the boards.
[quote]LuvMuhRoids wrote:
do you know what a FACT is? I hope with your education i dont have to look it up for you. i dont see much of an education coming out of your posts Mr Roberts. give me a fact backing up one little claim you presented in any of your posts above.
i challenge you on this open board to prove to the members you so care for and contribute to. you care so much to give them the facts then follow through with it brotha.
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Other than repeating the word “brotha” and saying that I’m not correct- I can’t see what your point is.
As I said, the statistics I’m quoting come from the esitmates and sales averages of the two largest Research Chem companies, combined with the estimated number of unique members of “the boards”.
I suppose you can claim that you’d rather have 2k members to buy your products on your board instead of the 100k+ on EliteFitness, or the 50k+ On Bolex, Steroid.com, and 'Ology- but I don’t think anyone believes that.
Once again, the figures I have quoted are estimates based on sales reports and averages that I have been told.
Could they be wrong?
Sure- but that would still put IBE in a very distant third place, and not really a relevant competitor. Neither is anyone else, really, relative to those two companies.
Notice that the IBE thread started out with the guy saying he’s heard mixed reviews of them. Well so have I.
And I give my opinion based on those reviews.
I have no financial interest in sales of research chems, at all- and (no surprise) …
All of the people in this thread who so strongly attacking me, and making absurd claims…all have a vested financial interest in the sale of research chems.
I don’t.
Everyone can make their own decisions on whom to believe.
[quote]LuvMuhRoids wrote:
roberts i gave you a chance to come to my board and see for your self the members reviews on oral igf and other proucts.
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Are you saying that by going to a board owned by IBE, I will find unbiased insight into the company?
Well…I mean…I’m a contributing writer here, EliteFitness, Meso, MindandMuscle, as well as Steroid.com- that gives me access to quite a few members. "bolex has also recently run an exclusive piece by me (on their main page)…so I guess by proxy I am a contributing author there too.
All up, there are 250k+ members who are part of the message boards I am paid to write for.
You’ll have to excuse me if I decline your offer to have access to the 2k members on your forums. I think I have enough access to members of internet forums. 250k of them. Oh…I forgot…you guys are fine with your 2k members, because you saved money on advertising. Cool.
Anyway, here it is:
Reviews of IBE are mixed at best, and terrible on average- with regards to both quality (specifically of the Oral IGF) and (more commonly) customer service.
I’ll settle this once and for all… send me a three month supply and I will try it for free!
Then I will post a thread on this forum with my opionon.
Your Welcome.
another cop out Roberts? you could have saved your ass here. you honestly think this thread doesn’t make you look like an idiot Roberts?
those boards are all influenced by other companies so why not come to our board that is ran by IBE. sounds fair to me. then make your own decision.
honestly, to boot, we get complaints on the board to. i let them stay. sometimes i think we need them to keep in line and remind us to stay on top of the customer satisfaction.
dont think for a minute those companies dont get a share of complaints either. i know i seen them myself. i get 100’s of members converted over from both Lion and AG Guys. Realistically, it happens to all of them. i see it on AR, meso, outlaw, any other board members use ancillaries.
seriously roberts youre looking so bad here and im inviting you to come out of this with some dignity.
no contributor to the bodybuilding community would come out like this. I never met you but i had some respect for you for the contributing informational articles. Now Roberts what little respect i had is the opposite.[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
LuvMuhRoids wrote:
roberts i gave you a chance to come to my board and see for your self the members reviews on oral igf and other proucts.
Are you saying that by going to a board owned by IBE, I will find unbiased insight into the company?
Well…I mean…I’m a contributing writer here, EliteFitness, Meso, MindandMuscle, as well as Steroid.com- that gives me access to quite a few members. "bolex has also recently run an exclusive piece by me (on their main page)…so I guess by proxy I am a contributing author there too.
All up, there are 250k+ members who are part of the message boards I am paid to write for.
You’ll have to excuse me if I decline your offer to have access to the 2k members on your forums. I think I have enough access to members of internet forums. 250k of them. Oh…I forgot…you guys are fine with your 2k members, because you saved money on advertising. Cool.
Anyway, here it is:
Reviews of IBE are mixed at best, and terrible on average- with regards to both quality (specifically of the Oral IGF) and (more commonly) customer service.
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As fucking mindbogglingly retarded as this whole thread has become, YOU WILL NEVER AGREE OR LIKE EACHOTHER GUYS SO END IT DOESN’T MATTER WHO STARTED IT, I will vouche for what LMR said. I’ve had nothing but good experiances with IBE and all of their products work. The prices can’t be beaten and I like their forum as well. Now fight nice boys.
anthony you need to leave my name out of your mouth. who are you to put words in my mouth. i am STILL a supermod on IBEforums. i support them 100%. i believe that ALL of there products are legit and properly dosed. and further more there products are fairly priced. they are not dodging compitition, and setting up little fiefdoms, where people have no choice than to buy rediculously overpriced products.
i hear you posted on elite that i was a selective scammer. you need to substantiate that or just admit you are an egomaniacal liar. that would do or say anything to acheive an end.chemone is my only business dealing, and in a month we surely have not scammed. quite the opposite. we admitted a problem that we could have easily gotten away with. accepted the financial loss to do what was right. honesty and integrity is my trademark, what yours? besides grandios self promotion?
chaos.
[quote]ChemOne wrote:
anthony you need to leave my name out of your mouth. who are you to put words in my mouth. i am STILL a supermod on IBEforums. i support them 100%. i believe that ALL of there products are legit and properly dosed. and further more there products are fairly priced. they are not dodging compitition, and setting up little fiefdoms, where people have no choice than to buy rediculously overpriced products.
i hear you posted on elite that i was a selective scammer. you need to substantiate that or just admit you are an egomaniacal liar. that would do or say anything to acheive an end.chemone is my only business dealing, and in a month we surely have not scammed. quite the opposite. we admitted a problem that we could have easily gotten away with. accepted the financial loss to do what was right. honesty and integrity is my trademark, what yours? besides grandios self promotion?
chaos.
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I never called you any kind of scammer. I just did a search on my name and “selective scammer” as well as “scammer” on EliteFitness, and there was nothing related to you.
I simply said I wouldn’t do buisness with you, and reccomended that nobody else does.
I don’t know if after a month in buisness you can claim that your hallmark is anything, really.
In any case, I stand by my assertion and think that people should avoid your company, your forums and boards, as well as those associated with IBE.
[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
ChemOne wrote:
anthony you need to leave my name out of your mouth. who are you to put words in my mouth. i am STILL a supermod on IBEforums. i support them 100%. i believe that ALL of there products are legit and properly dosed. and further more there products are fairly priced. they are not dodging compitition, and setting up little fiefdoms, where people have no choice than to buy rediculously overpriced products.
i hear you posted on elite that i was a selective scammer. you need to substantiate that or just admit you are an egomaniacal liar. that would do or say anything to acheive an end.chemone is my only business dealing, and in a month we surely have not scammed. quite the opposite. we admitted a problem that we could have easily gotten away with. accepted the financial loss to do what was right. honesty and integrity is my trademark, what yours? besides grandios self promotion?
chaos.
I never called you any kind of scammer. I just did a search on my name and “selective scammer” as well as “scammer” on EliteFitness, and there was nothing related to you.
I simply said I wouldn’t do buisness with you, and reccomended that nobody else does.
I don’t know if after a month in buisness you can claim that your hallmark is anything, really.
In any case, I stand by my assertion and think that people should avoid your company, your forums and boards, as well as those associated with IBE.
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You just bumped our sales again hooker. Just in case you are oblivious to this - you are hated far more than you are loved. Slamming us has the opposite affect of your intentions.
I will get another barrage of PM’s today asking for more information about ChemOne based soley on the fact that you hate us. Happens everytime you open your pie hole about us.
I REALLY REALLY hope the Texas T-Fest happens. Hell - the whole ChemOne team may just show up so you can tell us in person why we should be avoided.
Keep up the good work.
[quote]Sepukku wrote:
What of Labrada Nutrition Humanofort Growth Factor Formula? I have been taking this in hopes that it actually works, even though I’m a bit skeptical. (Embryonic peptide matrix derrived from fertilised chicken eggs?) :-/[/quote]
Serrano endorsed a similar product called humanofort a while back. Don’t know what happened with it. I tend to think when stuff is really good, you’ll hear about it.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Hell - the whole ChemOne team may just show up so you can tell us in person why we should be avoided.
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The whole team?
Wow…
Both of you?
A 40-something year old accountant, and a 40 year old home-brew chem guy?
Sounds great. See you there.
[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Hell - the whole ChemOne team may just show up so you can tell us in person why we should be avoided.
The whole team?
Wow…
Both of you?
A 40-something year old accountant, and a 40 year old home-brew chem guy?
Sounds great. See you there.
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Oh - there’s more than just two of us.
This 40-year old accountant relishes the opportunity to speak with a 20-someting punk assed amateur rugby player who has mastered the copy and paste function on his pc.
Should make for a fun 12.5 seconds.
[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
ChemOne wrote:
anthony you need to leave my name out of your mouth. who are you to put words in my mouth. i am STILL a supermod on IBEforums. i support them 100%. i believe that ALL of there products are legit and properly dosed. and further more there products are fairly priced. they are not dodging compitition, and setting up little fiefdoms, where people have no choice than to buy rediculously overpriced products.
i hear you posted on elite that i was a selective scammer. you need to substantiate that or just admit you are an egomaniacal liar. that would do or say anything to acheive an end.chemone is my only business dealing, and in a month we surely have not scammed. quite the opposite. we admitted a problem that we could have easily gotten away with. accepted the financial loss to do what was right. honesty and integrity is my trademark, what yours? besides grandios self promotion?
chaos.
I never called you any kind of scammer. I just did a search on my name and “selective scammer” as well as “scammer” on EliteFitness, and there was nothing related to you.
I simply said I wouldn’t do buisness with you, and reccomended that nobody else does.
I don’t know if after a month in buisness you can claim that your hallmark is anything, really.
In any case, I stand by my assertion and think that people should avoid your company, your forums and boards, as well as those associated with IBE.
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you can’t just make these statements with nothing to back them up. you need to produce valid reasons. what are you thinking anyway? you just say what you please, without regaurd for ethics or integrity.
it’s one thing to say that you wouldn’t use chemone, but to recomend that others not use us, without any valid reason, is just dirty. which doesn’t supprise me at all. you do everything for money, you have made it clear that it is your only motovation. you don’t care about the members, it’s all about AR.
the funny thing is that you have deluded yourself into believing that you have influence in our community. you have a certain amount of influence in a very limited group of like minded individuals, and that’s it. you are not liked, you are not respected, and this is a great example of why.
those footsteps you hear will be chemone. it won’t be long before you have to eat you words about our earnings potential. we will gross 1 million next year. count on it. and at my rediculously low prices, that is a lot of sales volume. qualite, service and price drive the market, and chemone provides the best of each.
[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Hell - the whole ChemOne team may just show up so you can tell us in person why we should be avoided.
The whole team?
Wow…
Both of you?
A 40-something year old accountant, and a 40 year old home-brew chem guy?
Sounds great. See you there.
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please don’t let your mouth write checks that your ass can’t cash. you know nothing about me, and you don’t want to know
[quote]ChemOne wrote:
Anthony Roberts wrote:
ChemOne wrote:
anthony you need to leave my name out of your mouth. who are you to put words in my mouth. i am STILL a supermod on IBEforums. i support them 100%. i believe that ALL of there products are legit and properly dosed. and further more there products are fairly priced. they are not dodging compitition, and setting up little fiefdoms, where people have no choice than to buy rediculously overpriced products.
i hear you posted on elite that i was a selective scammer. you need to substantiate that or just admit you are an egomaniacal liar. that would do or say anything to acheive an end.chemone is my only business dealing, and in a month we surely have not scammed. quite the opposite. we admitted a problem that we could have easily gotten away with. accepted the financial loss to do what was right. honesty and integrity is my trademark, what yours? besides grandios self promotion?
chaos.
I never called you any kind of scammer. I just did a search on my name and “selective scammer” as well as “scammer” on EliteFitness, and there was nothing related to you.
I simply said I wouldn’t do buisness with you, and reccomended that nobody else does.
I don’t know if after a month in buisness you can claim that your hallmark is anything, really.
In any case, I stand by my assertion and think that people should avoid your company, your forums and boards, as well as those associated with IBE.
you can’t just make these statements with nothing to back them up. you need to produce valid reasons. what are you thinking anyway? you just say what you please, without regaurd for ethics or integrity.
it’s one thing to say that you wouldn’t use chemone, but to recomend that others not use us, without any valid reason, is just dirty. which doesn’t supprise me at all. you do everything for money, you have made it clear that it is your only motovation. you don’t care about the members, it’s all about AR.
the funny thing is that you have deluded yourself into believing that you have influence in our community. you have a certain amount of influence in a very limited group of like minded individuals, and that’s it. you are not liked, you are not respected, and this is a great example of why.
those footsteps you hear will be chemone. it won’t be long before you have to eat you words about our earnings potential. we will gross 1 million next year. count on it. and at my rediculously low prices, that is a lot of sales volume. qualite, service and price drive the market, and chemone provides the best of each.[/quote]
The foot step comment is true. Word is spreading rapidly about the low prices and selection. I wouldn’t doubt Chemone. Been getting PMs from this site and others about Chemone. The smaller guy (company) will soon be taking over…
JW
[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
ChemOne wrote:
anthony you need to leave my name out of your mouth. who are you to put words in my mouth. i am STILL a supermod on IBEforums. i support them 100%. i believe that ALL of there products are legit and properly dosed. and further more there products are fairly priced. they are not dodging compitition, and setting up little fiefdoms, where people have no choice than to buy rediculously overpriced products.
i hear you posted on elite that i was a selective scammer. you need to substantiate that or just admit you are an egomaniacal liar. that would do or say anything to acheive an end.chemone is my only business dealing, and in a month we surely have not scammed. quite the opposite. we admitted a problem that we could have easily gotten away with. accepted the financial loss to do what was right. honesty and integrity is my trademark, what yours? besides grandios self promotion?
chaos.
I never called you any kind of scammer. I just did a search on my name and “selective scammer” as well as “scammer” on EliteFitness, and there was nothing related to you.
I simply said I wouldn’t do buisness with you, and reccomended that nobody else does.
I don’t know if after a month in buisness you can claim that your hallmark is anything, really.
In any case, I stand by my assertion and think that people should avoid your company, your forums and boards, as well as those associated with IBE.
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Why?
Why do you say “I don’t recommend that others use the product.”???
You still haven’t answered this about the 2 companies.
Are you saying this because of what others told you?
This whole thread is laced with bullshit. You may know a lot about technical writing and some general sense about AAS. More than the average user I would say. Definitely more than me and others here and on some other boards. But, I for one do think it is pretty dirty to recommend to others not to use them because they are small or their yearly revenue isn’t $1 mil. That is bullshit. It makes us (the guys buying the shit), wonder who is actually on who’s payroll.
Wideguy was right on when he stated that the larger boards have more idiots and speaking from experience, the smaller boards have a greater quality of people that know their shit when it comes to AAS. When I research, thats where I go.
You may have a big following at the larger boards, T-Nation included. But you are really losing respect with the previous posts.
JW
Yeah not for nothing (LOL kiss my ass AR) but saying the company that doesnt’ do as much business sucks dick because they are a smaller company JUST based on that isn’t a winning arguement for me. In fact being that I generally route for the underdog it only makes me like the smaller struggling company more. However, that’s just me so who really cares.
BTW, I dont’ know who any of you guys really are. I do know that if you really are a bad person who will/plans on harming another person you’re not to clever if you post about it on the internet. Or you’re full of shit. I’ve been guilty of the first one, but I’m sure anyone who’s read 2-3 of my posts can realize that I’m not the brightest bulb 
Still amazes me that you boys can’t just drop it. Don’t any of you have any kids? It’s like when one d-bag kids says something to another kid who’s just minding his own business. If the kid minding his own business feeds into it then the d-bag gets what he was looking for, and eventually it’s hard to tell who was the d-bag in the first place. On the other hand if the good kid just keeps doing his thing and ignores the d-bag, the d-bag will just sit continue to be the only one acting like a d-bag and make it real clear to everyone around them who they truly are. A d-bag.