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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
I admit, I think you have decent steroid knowledge (better than mine certainly), but then you’d have to be pretty retarded to be a ‘professional steroid researcher’ and NOT have a decent level of knowledge. I just don’t like you beacuse you are a deceitfull, underhanded so-and-so, who tried getting me ‘fired’ from the board I mod at, by insinuating I am a ‘mole’ for you. And all beacuse I refused to play your little gossip sniping game…[/quote]

What on gods earth are you talking about?

I have no clue what you are on about, nor do I care, though.

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Anthony,

what are you talking about here? You took us off what? We are scammers? You talk a lot of shit brotha!

im the IBE forum admin and well reputable member of many boards. I have worked directly with the ibe owners for years. I know what and how they run that company because im the main consultant.

i have not a clue what you are talking about how you were collecting revenue from us??

hell you talking about. who the hell are you?

i think you must be one of the biggest bullshitters i have seen on these boards.

im here brotha im from IBE tell me some more stories.[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
rainjack wrote:
The reasons hooker is blasting IBE are

  1. The new chem site isn’t running yet.

  2. IBE is a competitor to his sugar daddy

  3. IBE doesn’t have a “Buy AR’s book” banner on their site.

Additionally, it is a badge of honor to be kicked off of a board hooker is on. See - when hooker feels threatened he bans, or has his friends do the banning for him. Classy guy - and so full of integrity. Trust him at the expense of your own health.

  1. No…thats got nothing to do with anything. The guy who runs that site is ok with me. I just declined to work with him. No biggie.

  2. IBE isn’t a competitor of note. They have a very small market share. When I saw their name as being part of the revenue going into my monthly pay, I asked for them to be removed.

  3. I could have rectified this situation with them and other companies. I choose not to (thus losing myself money) - for ethical reasons.

No big deal, but as I said IBE isn’t a company I wanted to be paid by. There’s only one more I can name that I declined letting sell my book or being paid by for work.

As for being kicked off a board I am a staff member on; nobody threatens me, in an intellectual sence. I typically ban people for being either detrimental to my work concerns or professional interests. Nobody “threatens” me per se.[/quote]

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you used one bottle of MGF and that’s it? You even use it right? you do any research of your own on the boards? many IGF users dont respond to injectable as much as oral. Come to my board and see for your self how many users love the oral IGF.

you have any of our products lab tested? big claim calling me out as a scammer buddy.

by the way, whats up with scamming the name Anthony Roberts? that guy is reputable so what are you? Impersonator?

you talk a lot of crap bro, never seen so much garbage come out of one bashers mouth before.

if you knew our policies you would have came to me or the warehouse and we would have done something about your MGF.

you think anyone gets results from one bottle of HGH? You talk like you turned pro off one bottle of IGF to.

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thank you very much WideGuy for the honest words.

WideGuy is one of IBE’s customers and i just spent some time with him on my forum.

if it’s one person in this thread that can account for IBE it is this guy right here.

and let me tell this board one thing before anyone jumps to “im in IBE’s pocket”.

everyone that knows me knows one thing. I do not cator to IBE or the members.

I am the medium between the boards and IBE. that’s what makes me valuable to both. I have never met the owners although i talk to them personally every day. including the warehouse staff. they call me every day on many issues.

on the other hand the board members contact me every day.

i will never EVER put my name on something that is a scam. I have more than once gone round and round with the owners over the poor customer service. I have had the owner yell at me and hang up on me. All because i feel the boards need that diplomacy on there behalf.

on the other hand any members screw up they get the biggest verbal spanking known to man.

the relation goes hand in hand. one washes the other. IBE takes care of the community then the community supports the company.

IBE knows my role and that is why i am important to them. I dont lie dont bullshit anyone ever. mention my name even on boards i have had spats on and the one thing they will say is how reputable i am to the community.

LMR

[quote]WideGuy wrote:
Bro, their products have all worked for me. Plus I’ve seen plenty of feedback on oratropin, and it looked just like igf-1. BTW, they have a pretty large amount of clientel to for a company that sucks. Anyway that’s all I’m going to say, we obviously don’t agree on that and that’s cool. I still like you :-)[/quote]

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[quote]LuvMuhRoids wrote:
Anthony,

what are you talking about here? You took us off what? We are scammers? You talk a lot of shit brotha!
[/quote]

IBE sponsored MindAndMuscle, for about a day, and I had them removed. I wasn’t aware that they would be coming on board as sponsors; I don’t believe in their products, and think them to be a terrible company (with terrible products) and abysmal customer service.

They were also denied advertising on Steroid.com, but for other reasons.

You can’t even type their name in on that board, as it comes up as a censored word, and appears as: “***”
Soon, if it hasn’t happened already, this will be the case with ChemOne, also.

I speak to the owner of S.com almost daily, and this is what he told me.

Anyway, as regards their advertising on M&M, I presented my case to the Admin (Justin), and he removed them within hours of their banner and link going up.

These are the facts as I know them, firsthand.

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[quote]LuvMuhRoids wrote:

by the way, whats up with scamming the name Anthony Roberts? that guy is reputable so what are you? Impersonator?
[/quote]

This is kind of a mindboggling comment here…I’m not really sure what you are saying…

Scamming my own name?

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[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
You can’t even type their name in on that board, as it comes up as a censored word, and appears as: “***”
Soon, if it hasn’t happened already, this will be the case with ChemOne, also.
[/quote]

It has nothing to do with the quality of product. it has everthing to do with Steroid.com being a real sweetheart deal for Brian. He will not allow anyone but lion to be discussed.

It’s about money - to pretend it is about anything else is just being a fucking liar.

AG is trying the same thing. It has only worked for them on one board - which was a board ChemOne was about to drop anyhow. They have left at least one board because of ChemOne’s presence there.

Lion and AG hate competition. They run from it, or try and force it out. Who would blame them? Lion’s products are packaged like shit and AG charges 4 times what ChemOne does on most items.

Who wants to be standing side by side with a company that has professional packaging and low prices? Certainly not Lion or AG. They have proven it.

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I don’t really think those smaller boards are much of a concern, to anyone, to be honest.

When you look at the biggest steroid based boards, with the most google hits and/or members ('Bolex, Steroid.com, EliteFitness, 'ology, Meso, etc…) they are exclusively the domain of either Lion or AG.

Those two companies have, by the best estimates, about 80% of the research chem market- I don’t think they are worried about the boards ChemOne (or IBE) is involved with.

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[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
Those two companies have, by the best estimates, about 80% of the research chem market- I don’t think they are worried about the boards ChemOne (or IBE) is involved with.
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That’s why you are not hired as a business guy. Your ignorance of the market is astounding for one that proposes to be an expert in the research chem field.

AG has tried at least twice to run Chemone off. This is not a guess. This is the truth. One site was not even a site we wanted that badly, the other - AG left because ChemOne was there. I have correspondence that proves this.

Not an estimate. Real proof. But please keep bashing ChemOne. Keep insulting its owner and the staff. Everytime you open your mouth about ChemOne, sales increase.

And whose estimates are you using?

It’s all about money. You

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Anthony,

you can keep your pm’s to your self bro.

i want this out on the open board.

no way in hell am i going to stand for you calling out IBE as a scammer on the open board like this.

i checked out your story and spoke with the IBE owners just now.

i guess you are the real Anthony Roberts unless you stole his avatar off elitefitness. right now we are getting to the bottom of your accusations.

one thing that erks the ibe owners is that you wrote a considerate article on IBE’s MGF. Now you are here calling us out as scammers?

Honestly i dont think you are Anthony Roberts but we are investigating this right now.

youre right IBE was on m&m for a day then was pulled but the admin said because they were direct competitors with the AG guys they couldnt be up. I doubt he pulled it because of you.

Also, i talk to the owner of steroid.com to. I dont think you have your story straight about that. I am also directly reponsible for the banner programs and negotiate them myself. I know exactly what is going on with Lion and steroid.com

if that is you on elitefitness the ibe owners are about to contact you.

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Anthony,

what degree do you have? is it in writing or bio-chemistry. Honestly, you have a degree in chemistry, tried all our products, and had them lab tested I’d put weight in your accusations but if you havn’t. Your word doesn’t hold water brotha.

in fact, i think these accusations are about to get you in a lot of trouble. The ibe owners screen saved this whole thread. You have no right to come here and say these things about a company that loves the bodybuilding community and dedicates such time to the members.

I myself dedicate an incredible amount of free time away from my life to be contributional. To boot, i would never bash another chem company even though they are my competitor.

not AG Guys, not lion, and in fact, one of my mods just created his own research company and we support this man fully. He still is my mod. I invite his competition. I would love to have the AG guys, Lion, or any other research owners on my board for conversations and interest. Plenty of room for business on the net and no need for hating if you ask me.

i always check out the other competitors sites and keep up on them. AG guys and Lion may be more pricy but they have just as good as products as we do. When im on a site the AG guys sponsor i direct my PCT advice to there site for items a user may need. That’s what makes me and IBE the greater.

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This is owner of IBE here to respond to the absolute ignorance being reflected here in your response/arguments against my company.
First, I would like to comment on what I previously thought to be respectible, Anthony Roberts…you are supposed to be highly educated and a serious researcher but you have given us nothing more than opinion, nothing remotely scientific or factual.

[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:

IBE sponsored MindAndMuscle, for about a day, and I had them removed. I wasn’t aware that they would be coming on board as sponsors; I don’t believe in their products, and think them to be a terrible company (with terrible products) and abysmal customer service.
[/quote]

You know what, we NEVER presented an offer to advertise…Justin contact us about putting a banner up period. After the day we were up, we were told by Justin that we were stepping on AGs turf and unfortunately we were being pulled. Get you facts straight.

[quote]They were also denied advertising on Steroid.com, but for other reasons.

You can’t even type their name in on that board, as it comes up as a censored word, and appears as: “***”
Soon, if it hasn’t happened already, this will be the case with ChemOne, also.

I speak to the owner of S.com almost daily, and this is what he told me. [/quote]

We were highly respected on steriod.com prior to the deal Lion Nutrition offered the owner…as a matter of fact we were going to be the sponsor of steriod .com until Lion Nutrition outbid us. And the classy response of Lion Nutriton was to have us banned as well as start the infamous *** reference required for any member even to hint to to talk about us.

When the recent contraversies started up about Lion we once again were contacted by owner of steroid.com about filling in Lion shoes…we were told to be the next in line if more proof surfaced about the integrity of Lion’s services continuing to decline.

We are used to having any positive posts about our company being deleted or us being banned because Lion and AG Guys are nothing but cowards and ARE scared of our competition. If you think our client base is in any way small and that we are not a threat than think again. And as with the case of ChemOne, all the negative posting draws even more attention to us so thank you so much for doing us a favor.

[quote]Anyway, as regards their advertising on M&M, I presented my case to the Admin (Justin), and he removed them within hours of their banner and link going up.

These are the facts as I know them, firsthand.
[/quote]
You know so many facts firsthand because you obviously have an invested interest to this such as our friend Mr. X on elite who is so sold out for AG Guys or is actually AG Guys it is pathetic. Bro you are making yourself look really bad here. Any valid reputation you may have had in the past is now a big joke if you are sold out and on AG payroll.

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[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
WideGuy wrote:
Well do you know anyone who’s used the oral igf1 personally and got nothing from it? I know why you feel it’s a scam, and that does make sense. However, I’d be way more convinced by you showing me a good number of links where people used it and it sucked. As for the MGF,I’m speaking too soon as I hear (but haven’t read myself) that you have a good paper on it.

Howevr, to say something is a scam is like saying that ibe knew the product was either NOT going to workor that it’s not real product. They made it pretty clear that they/and not really anyone is positive on how to run it best. No scamming there bro. Yes there was a little bit of “so and so, who works for me, has been on it for x amount of time and blah blah blah” but that’s it.

So which are you saying, it’s completely useless or that their product (and not just the mgf or questionable delivery system on the oral igf1) is not pure/straight up fake/or severly underdosed.

I’m talking about the questionable oral delivery system they “developed” for IGF-1…

I believe IGF-I is rendered useless after oral ingestion and certainly not capable of doin anything we want it to do if we take it orally. It’s mainly destroyed by chymotrypsin and trypsin and is subject to flushing from jejunum, ileum, and colon.

Orally ingested IGF would, in any case, have a half life of Minutes…and that’s regardless of their “delivery system”.

It’s just shoddy science.
[/quote]

Shaddy science, huh…more like shady commentary. For someone who spends so much time researching, you may want to spend a little time researching the significance of vector viruses and IGF…may give you an a little bit of an idea as to how IGF could even possibly be orally delivered…of course any person with half a brain can see that evidence of oral injestion of IGF would prove to be worthless, but in a delivery system as effective as IV injection, then that wouldn’t be so worthless now would it. A researcher of your nature should be able to leave bias behind and explore the latest areas of scientific advancement especially when relative to body enhancement since you are so renowned in research of AAS.

Oh and I would like to scratch my previous statement about being on AG Guys payroll…it is actually Lion payroll. I guess when Justin made comment about competitors turf it must have been Lion in this case…either way it is commercialized bullshit.

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let me tell you something else Mr. Roberts.

one thing you should have learned by now from hanging out on these boards. It is easy to get hung and to hang your self.

always be careful what you say.

IBE has a huge faithful following and that is how i found out about this thread. I have over 2000 IBE members on my forum in less than a few months.

that speaks for itself. soon as you started sputtering your ibe bashing i got swamped with emails and pm’s.

never never throw rocks from a glass house brotha. i have never read your book and with the reviews from board members i dont want to. you write a good book and get a degree in chemistry if you cant do that then keep your comments and unfounded accusations to your self.

you are more than welcomed to the ibe forum to bro you think you can be contributional instead of empty bashing.

door and my pm’s are open to you on my board.

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I don’t particularly have the time to respond, but the idea of stepping on AG-guys turf is secondary. I saw the link to IBE and asked for it to be removed, because I don’t believe in the products.

There is a reason, I would think, that the 5 largest AAS boards on the internet do not feature IBE, but rather feather Lion or AG.

I make 0 dollars from the sales of Ancillaries, and never have. I’m presenting what I know to be facts to the members of T-Nation. They can do what they wish with those facts-

They can believe me, or they can believe people who sell the products.

Also, interestingly, an IBE board (Conversion Board)used to have a moderator who is now the owner of ChemOne, and who also told me he did not believe IBE’s Oral IGF was actually a valid product.

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[quote]LuvMuhRoids wrote:

you are more than welcomed to the ibe forum to bro you think you can be contributional instead of empty bashing.

door and my pm’s are open to you on my board.

[/quote]

I don’t really bother posting on boards like that. Sorry.

In the end, with regards to thinking I produce good work, LMR, there are articles and pieces of my work posted and reposted on every board you are a staff member on, when last I checked.

Every single one.

Here’s the story:

The small vocal minority of AAS board Mods and Vets seem to think they run the whole internet, and everything associated with it- and often, they get very annoyed when I prove otherwise.

This is why most of the people in the industry, who produce good work, don’t even post on the forums. It’s typically a waste of our time to fight with the Vetocracy and the Brobots.

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What of Labrada Nutrition Humanofort Growth Factor Formula? I have been taking this in hopes that it actually works, even though I’m a bit skeptical. (Embryonic peptide matrix derrived from fertilised chicken eggs?) :-/

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[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
LuvMuhRoids wrote:

you are more than welcomed to the ibe forum to bro you think you can be contributional instead of empty bashing.

door and my pm’s are open to you on my board.

I don’t really bother posting on boards like that. Sorry.

In the end, with regards to thinking I produce good work, LMR, there are articles and pieces of my work posted and reposted on every board you are a staff member on, when last I checked.

Every single one.

Here’s the story:

The small vocal minority of AAS board Mods and Vets seem to think they run the whole internet, and everything associated with it- and often, they get very annoyed when I prove otherwise.

This is why most of the people in the industry, who produce good work, don’t even post on the forums. It’s typically a waste of our time to fight with the Vetocracy and the Brobots.[/quote]

That’s it…that’s all we get in response. You don’t have time to respond, what kind of chicken shit answer is that. You surely had time enough to bash us in previous posts and multiple threads. Why exactly is it that you don’t believe in our products.

Have you ever even tried Oratropin-1 and did you take my advice and even do a simple google on vector virus delivery and its relevance to IGF, Mr. Expert researcher? I don’t think you want to step into my turf as far as research in ADVANCED science goes because you will be made to look like the poser you really are. You keep bringing up the big boards, what does that prove…they have their own proclaimed research companies on each board which in reality is a partnership with Lion and/or AG Guys and of course they would not want to represent competition that looks better and is cheaper. You keep trying to hide behind your degree or you writings, why don’t you come to this thread with your real reason [fact based] as to why our products are no good. We sell the same things as your buddy and we have been around just as long…we just were not in a position at the time to drop $20,000/month on steroid.com to advertise. You say you do not get paid to represent ancillaries, but you admitted openly in this thread that you did indeed used to work for Lion…well enough said.
Oh and by the way, just the fact that you do juice does not qualify you as an expert in the field.