@Polar-Bear That’s my point though. Very few people in this thread answered as eating 1.5lb or more, certainly not the majority or even close to it. And we’re just talking semantics now but I’m not sure I agree with your math. I think even the leanest cuts of meat would struggle to get 180-200 grams of protein out of 1.5lb. I think a general rule is 100 grams of protein per lb of meat. 150 grams of protein is hardly some astronomical number for a hard training individual.
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- 200-300grams of meat per day
- 2-3 eggs daily
- No milk, but Greek yoguart
- No protein shakes.
Never found high / super high protein diets agreed me, lead to digestive problems and constipation.
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@DORITO If you’re getting 1.5lb of meat along with milk and protein powder you’re probably fine whether you’re bulking or cutting. Doing better than most, certainly. No sympathies on not liking eggs though, I have a limitless appetite for those in all forms.
@twojarslave It’s actually eggs, not milk, that give me the “what weirdo discovered that?” thought. Milk makes sense - we “milk” our own species so why not try it on those animals we domesticated? Eggs on the other hand - who thought it was a good idea to take that little shell the chicken shot out of it’s butt, crack it open, and fry it in a pan?
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Meat: 1.5-3lbs
Eggs: 5-8
Milk: none
Protein scoops: none, but that’s because I’m sacrificing cost for convenience and drinking two molks or fairlife 42g protein shakes a day.
Today, so far is a good example:
Breakfast: 5 eggs, 4 pieces of pork belly
Lunch: 12oz steak and 6oz chicken
Dinner (to be consumed): 1lb of Wagyu ground beef
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You’ll find very few proteins that equate to more than 100g/lb.
They’re out there, but infrequent.
16oz chicken breast has about 106g protein.
Same for 96% lean beef.
Same for flank steak.
Eye of round might be a bit higher, same goes for tuna.
But for the most part, lean protein is about 100g per lb - assuming it is weighed raw.
Maybe you’ve got different data?
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Measurement Systems Analysis requested!
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A bodyweight comparison would help add clarity to these numbers too. Me at sub 150lbs compared to bigger dudes at say 300lbs - can defo skew the numbers without a ‘relative to BW’ factor. 2c and all…
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That much insulin secretion has drawbacks too… seems the perfect balance will never be found
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I’m not sure how you mean.
The benefit of smaller meals was that you get more stable insulin levels, which is better for nutrient uptake and muscle growth.
A lot of bigger dudes i know run berberine when bulking to help with this.
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Has anyone here ever tried eating mostly fish for protein? We all know about convenience foods like canned tuna, but does anyone know how many largemouth bass someone needs to be eating per day to sustain gains? Or perch?
I know I am answering a question that you did not ask, I ate two cans of tuna every day. I was so well known for eating tuna that at work I was known as Tunaman.
I ate cans of tuna because it was inexpensive. And I much preferred animal flesh as my protein source.
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Meaning we aren’t meant to be having multiple insulin secretions throughout the day… it might be beneficial in some regards towards MPS w / amino acids present but will have drawbacks, too.
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Is there a determined optimal number of insulin secretions per day?
Does the magnitude of those insulin secretions have any significance?
I’ve got 10-15lbs of salmon frozen. I could give it a run for week.
80P per lb… 2 lbs a day plus protein shakes and I’d be good. Just need to find alternatives for fats.
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Physiologically… likely 1 or 2 I’d wager given our endocrine systems design.
So what would you suggest we do with that information?
I did six meals a day for all three decades that I competed. What ill effects might I have experienced between 49 years old through 76 years old?
Yes. I did tilapia in a pinch… it was not filling enough in a deficit to help with compliance.
I also tried using shrimp as a primary protein source for a bit, and that didn’t go well.
*was eating 250g protein daily, tried getting half from shrimp. That’s actually like a lot of fuckin shrimp, lol.
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It’s a give / take paradigm. Multiple meals “might” be a bit better for MPS…but the multiple insulin secretions will have drawbacks. 2 larger meals with the same amount of protein might have less MPS efficiency but also less insulin production in the long run.
Makes sense to frame the possible outcomes through human physiology / biology not bodybuilding style diets, nutrition, etc…
This forum it makes the most sense to frame it around the optimal bodybuilder diet with some deviations from “optimal.”
In the 1980’s when asked why frequent meals worked better than calorie count. I would explain. If you haven’t eaten anything for a long period of time, your blood sugar is very low. Your body believes that you are starving. When you do eat, your insulin follows the spike in blood sugar which forces all carbohydrates above those necessary to replenish muscle glycogen are stored as fat. (Because your body has no idea when it will be fed again) In other words, a person with sufficient funds to eat fairly large quantities of food will store fat.
With frequent meals your blood sugar doesn’t drop near as low, then when you eat a “clean” meal your blood sugar doesn’t spike and therefore much less insulin is released. Far few nutrients are stored as fat. One of the secrets of frequent small meals is that if you eat a large meal you are too full to eat the next meal on time.
Is it possible that less daily insulin is released with frequent meals than meals spaced far apart?
When I competed there was no science available. All I had was word of mouth and a logical process of information and experience. Plus, knowing that medical science’s initial attempts of various subjects has a pretty poor track record, therefore I would consider their advice as worthless.
AM Shake: It’s easy to get in with breakfast immediately after I get back from the gym. A shake gives me a medium for the psylium husk and creatine that would otherwise be mixed with water. I could eat eggs with breakfast but that would require cooking which I really don’t want to do right after a workout and when I have to get showered and drive a kid to school.
PM Shake: It’s easy to pound casein right before bed so I’ve got a slow digesting protein in my system while I sleep. I could eat a few ounces of chicken but I just get sick of eating meat and fish and I’d rather just spend thirty seconds shaking a bottle and guzzling a protein shake.
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