I wasn’t sure if my light cream was considered milk so I took a risk and mentioned it. I am sure that cheese is not milk, so I left that off. I’m even more sure that onions aren’t meat, eggs, milk or protein powder, so I didn’t mention those at all.
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I assumed since @BrandonCrawford defined meat like this -
That means any product that was milk at one point is game.
Them’s the rules.
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I used to drink milk regularly… I’d go through 2gals a week easily.
Within a few weeks of actually counting macros, i saw how hard it was to fit even a measly 8oz in, and stopped it entirely.
After going nearly 2 years without, i tried it again and honestly idk why i used to like it so much.
Sorry, rambling.
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I am genuinely curious what other possible definition of meat is out there…
If we are including all dairy, my answer radically changes. I consume a fair amount of ghee, cottage cheese and sour cream
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I dunno, I’ve met some people who insist eggs are dairy (I guess since they are in the same section in grocery stores?)
I also knew a “vegetarian” who insisted oysters weren’t meat, since they didn’t have teeth, but figs are meat since they eat bees.
I define meat as anything with a nervous system.
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Yeah, I’m pretty sure this is the only reason. In general, relying on average people to define nutrition is a poor strategy. Looking back, I realized how much of my nutritional “education” growing up came from television, so I knew that milk did a body good and that Poptarts were (part of a complete) breakfast.
I still loved that Kellogs did a study that demonstrated that kid’s who ate Poptarts for breakfast did better in school compared to kids who didn’t eat breakfast…
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Where did chicken line up on their system?
I loled at this btw
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Meat - I have no idea, probably under a pound.
Eggs- on average 4-6 whole eggs 5-6 days out of the week.
Milk - zero , although lately I’ve been eating cottage cheese with nuts a few days out of the week.
Protein powder or bars - zero
IRON- I pump that stuff every day, every chance I get!!!
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I saw others specify yogurt in the place of milk and went with it 
I’m generally fairly poor at following rules anyway.
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@T3hPwnisher Definitely telephone game but I’m ok with the diversion. Most seemed genuine by including things like greek yogurt or cottage cheese that are known for being protein heavy. Only a few mentioned things like cheese or coffee creamer or almond water. I’m moreso just surprised at how little everyone is eating in general. Very few people eating more than a lb of meat and not many people eating an amount of eggs that might scare an average person.
@Andrewgen_Receptors Disclaimer that I don’t drink beer either, but anytime someone talks about drinking milk, I think of this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXOGS9cilKM
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My takeaways from this thread:
- I need to eat more meat as do most of us compared to the ladies
- I need to find a way to include eggs
- There’s apparently some confusion as to what constitutes meat
- There’s even more confusion as to what milk is
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Almost every time I have spoken to local guys about lifting and diet I get scoffed at when I suggest aiming to eat at least a pound of meat per day minimum. Some even act like that’s somehow out-of-reach or would cause them to explode or something.
A guy I used to work with is in his early 40’s, father of 2 with a pretty normal story of wanting to slim down, get stronger, etc. He owns two smokers and probably fed me an average of 1lb of smoked meat per week just bringing massive containers of brisket, pulled pork and chicken wings for everyone to eat. Great guy to work with.
Diet and exercise would come up often and I never stopped being surprised by his ability to talk himself out of just eating more meat and doing basic lifting.
Nothing was as perplexing as the ladies who had to give me grief every time I said no to ice cream or other treats being offered. Or wonder aloud why I would snack on pulled pork but not fruit salad. I’m 44 now, so I guess it isn’t really all that perplexing, anymore.
People are weird. We never would have figured milk out in the first place if we weren’t.
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I’m surprised that people think eating 1.5lbs of meat per day is undereating. Chicken and beef are about 25 - 30 grams of protein per 100 grams, so 1.5lbs is about 650 grams of meat which translates to about 180-200 grams of protein.
If you’re getting 180+ grams a day of protein from meat alone, plus whatever you’re getting from eggs/cheese/nuts/milk/protein powders etc, that’s plenty for a maintenance diet for most trained individuals (obviously going to be very different for anyone on a bulk).
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I’m only considering it under eating when a lot of the girls on here are saying they are eating a lb a day. But I agree with what you’re saying about it should provide plenty of protein with all your other food on top
I may be wrong but do you not actually need less protein on a bulk than you would on say a cut?
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Its worth appreciating that meat brings more than just protein into the diet. Same with eggs.
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The main reason I want to get eggs in my diet. Are they not considered the most complete single food?
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Them and beef liver.
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Just remember to stay away from polar bear liver if anyone offers you some. Even the Liver King’s reign would get cut short from that stuff.
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My approach was that on a bulk you are getting “fat” on protein storage in the form of muscles and letting other energy sources like fat and carbs keep the engine running, and stop protein from being used. When you’re cutting you want to keep the protein stored from not being used, so it always needs to be topped off via diet.
Does anyone remember Caveman? He had some great ideas about this. I remember he did 2 6-week cycles per year when he was cutting, just to drop protein and calories, but protecting mass.
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I take extra vitamin a to cancel it out.
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