If any company keeps selling ephedra-based products they will have quite a following.
I agree with TEK in that I don’t believe the FDA has officially banned ephedra (yet) just made it so expensive and so much of a hassle to produce products containing ephedra that it’s really not worth it for certain companies.
In my opinion, while Biotest is without question the fastest growing supplement company on the planet, it is still somewhat unknown compared to others. Also, it has a host of other great products to provide to it's customers, so the loss of MD6, while great, is not the end of the world, because it's not cost effective for Biotest to keep producing it under these conditions.
I feel that certain other companies will likely continue producing their E/C products. Cytodyne, for example, basically dominates the market with Xenadrine. It's not only the best selling Cytodyne product, but also the number one sell supplement in the country. Chances are they're making enough money off of Xenadrine alone to make it worth their while to keep producing it. Especially considering that without it, the company would likely go out of business. Yes, they have an ephedra free version, but the original hasn't left yet.
I could be completely wrong, but it's a working theory. If it's true, then at least we'll be able to buy an E/C product, and then stack it with whatever Biotest is going to come out with; assuming there are no dangerous interactions that will, um, kill us. But, since ephedra is going to kill us anyway....
Unbeleivable. Someone else has read Hayek. Combine his work with Atlas Shrugged’s world and you can see not just where we are, but how we got here. What a fucking nightmare. Gov’t by polls, the press, and interest groups. Make and stash your cash, protect your ass, and wait for the crash.
That’s a point I’d never considered and is somewhat alarming… it was certainly never intended, and hopefully will not come to pass. So far as I know there’s no issue with it.
Let’s all say it together now… fuck… the…government. Ahhh, don’t we feel better? -D
Trev: My father and mother has some magazines laying around that have at least a little to do with fitness. Cytodyne is really pushing their new Xenadrine EFX (Ephedra Free Xenadrine). It’s everywhere. So even the big boys might be cutting their stuff soon too.
And about Biotest not being all that well known. I personally think about Biotest like i would a good band that isn’t that big. I want to be selfish and not have everyone know about them, but at the same time they deserve to be famous (aka rich).
Hayek was too moderate. Read Rothbard!
Yes Im rather Libertarian
When someone says “there is nothing we can do about it” remember that they have been trying to pull ephedrine off the market for a long time and have always been defeated, the big difference now I see is they are emboldened by the grotesque monstrous level of media manipulation they can produce now, as everyone is distracted because of the WOT, the people are in sort of “Government can do no wrong” mentality
If we the people lobbyed petitioned and protested like we are supposed to, we could stop this, but you know we wont.
They haev tryed the same thing wiht vitamins for decades and so far have been unsuccessful
I KNOW this pressure is coming from certain congressmen who have pharm industrys in their districts that contribute to thier campains, and those self same pharm industrys just HAPPEN to COINCIDENTLY have prescription fat loss products coming to market soon as the competition “natural food suppliments” diet aids are coersed and bullied and hammered off the market.
pedophiles
Besides physically going out and collecting signatures is there any other way to get a petition going? My main thought would be is there any way we could do it over the internet. Verifing I.P. addresses electronic signatures etc…? I really hate to see the government winning on this one. The many suffering for the mistakes of the few.
you know how you really have to blame? it’s not the media or the government… it’s uninformed people who want to lose weight FAST. they see a fat burner and figure “hey, if 2 pills a day will make me lose 5 pounds a week, i bet 100 pills right now will get me slim by the weekend!!!” those are the people to blame… but yah, the government and the media do still lick donkey balls
I dont know anything about HOW to protest or petition or whatever, but I do know one thing, If we the people cant stand all this crap, and dont do anything about it, then what would a T-Man Do is a load of CP, If we dont do something about it, were a bunch of whipped fcking pussies taking it up the Arse arent we?
Please master may I have another?
Mike life isnt safe, its not SUPPOSED to be safe, nothing is perfectly safe, so if some bozo off himself pulling a darwin award, its a gift from God
Why is is my f*cking problem if some dork is ejected from the Gene pool?
Do you realy want to live in a rubber room?
Wouldn’t this be a swell occasion to notify your faithful folling as to the shipping date of GROW bars?
MBE: “Got a friggin’ fever on his last week of 5x5 since tuesday night.”
-Eric
The fact is is that the shitheads in the medical industry DO NOT want healthy people. They HATE anything that works. If they can keep the population sick thne they can make money off of us. I’m telling you I suspect all hell will break loose in this country one day at this rate with all the nazism that is prevailing in the governemnt these days. Soon “voting” will do absolutely nothing. The old saying, “if it owrks don’t fix it”, has become, “if it works, get rid of it!” cause some of these SS troopers want dictitorial control. Some constitition we have. The founding fathers would be HORRIFIED at today’s US. “Land of the free (yea right) and home of the brave.”
I agree with you man. That’s my reasoning for letting drugs be legalized. Let all the morons kill themselves off.
cloakmanor: You’ve basically nailed it. Except
voting already pretty much does nothing. Too
many brainwashed masses. Too many special
interests. Democracy has fatal flaws…
huck: you and coyote are not the only ones
who’ve read Hayek and Rand. I have too, and
I suspect a lot of people around here have.
Can’t you tell?
Coyote wrote:
“If we the people cant stand all this
crap, and dont do anything about it, then
what would a T-Man Do is a load of CP, If we
dont do something about it, were a bunch of
whipped fcking pussies taking it up the Arse
arent we?”
My sentiments exactly. I would suggest "in the system activism," such as voting and communicating with pols. But that is proving to be an ever more futile approach. Personally, my solution is to withdraw any and all power possible given to the gov mafiosos. For example, I structure my affairs so almost none of my money goes to support the government mafia. Without the funds, they can't do shit. Let the facist welfare-warfare state collapse and implode from its own weight by withdrawing power/support from below. This is what it deserves. Of course, there are other strategies that can work too...
Can you at least keep the current MD6 around
until the new fat burner product hits the
market. It IS summer after all…
Free Ex.
One last comment for Coyote: In another thread
about test replacement therapy you were
critical of my suggestion to “break” the so-
called “law” and self medicate, saying you
had too much to lose.
But at this point in the evolution of US political tyranny, I would argue just the opposite. At this point we have too much to lose by NOT "breaking" the "law". All of our freedom to live our lives as we choose (so long as not harming others...). You're concern was getting caught and being kidnapped (going to prison) and losing your freedom. Well, as the tyranny progresses, you aren't going to have any freedom left anyway, so what's the dif? Living in an area that has descended into a police state tyranny, it has come to the point were *EVERYTHING* is fucking "illegal" so one *has* to "break" the so-called "law" just to FUNCTION. I run my own business in the IT sector and I speak from experience. If I jumped through all the horse shit hoops and obstacles these irrational megalomanics put up, I would be out of business because I COULD NOT FUNCTION. Really, it has come to that point. It's like the government mafiosos have the unintentional desire to destroy western civilization through dysfunctional bureaucracy.
Since you like quotes, here is a relevant one for you:
"Whenever legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience."
-- John Locke
I could go on, but that will suffice.