[quote]jsbrook wrote:
I mispoke. [/quote]
Thanks for your candor.
Sure it is. Who said it wasn’t?
Syria is in talks with Israel as we speak. Damascus gave sanctuary to Hamas leaders, but to say that “its mission is supported by the government of Syria” is disinformation at its finest.
No argument there.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
frederickson wrote:
well said therower… i can’t believe anyone still believes the “they hate our way of life” bullshit.
i happen to have had a couple iraqi friends (us army translators) and dated an iranian girl for over a year and got to know most of her friends. they all laughed at this juvenile sentiment.
they said most of their friends and family don’t hate the american lifestyle - what little they really know about it - and would like to enjoy such a lifestyle and/or be a part of ours if they could.
pure and simple, they hate israel. and our support of israel.
anyone still playing the company line about the middle east “hating freedom” should actually get to know some of these people before professing so boldly why they dislike the united states.
I think I see what you mean…you know 5 or 10 of them and they’ve told you that they don’t hate us at all. I get it…Gee…I never looked at it like that before.
Thanks for clearing up that whole “they hate us” thing.
Oh by the way…why is it that they chant “death to America” and blew up those buildings?
I just want to fully understand so I’m not in the dark.
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i didn’t say no middle easterners hate us. many of them do. the reason, from my experience actually dealing with some of these people (can you say the same?) is our support and sustenance of israel.
i realize the people i know don’t represent everyone, but what are you basing your opinion on? the portrayal of extremists on tv? whose motivations for their hatred of us are not made clear on tv.
of course, many in the governments over there hate us as well. maybe they just “hate our lifestyle” but that is an incredibly simplistic and narrow-minded stance.
the jewish influence in the media would lead you to believe that a.) almost all middle easterners hate us and b.) that it has nothing to do with israel. neither one is true.
the situation over there is obviously a mess and neither side is completely without fault. but trying to ram this whole notion of american hatred is because of our lifestyle, and has nothing to do with sustaining their mortal enemy israel, really chaps my ass. we’re not stupid and we shouldn’t be treated as such.
[quote]lixy wrote:
I don’t think there’s any doubt about how racist it was. You speak of “hate […] that is in their blood”.
Might be a figure of speech where you come from, but it’s a racist one nonetheless.
[quote]therover wrote:
Ok…so what ? Isn’t that part of our ‘freedom’… freedom of speech ?
If I am a misinformed person writing my point of view without malice, is it racism ? Just because the words ‘hate’ and ‘blood’ are in the same sentence, it means it’s a racist remark ?
You need to relax, have some hot chocolate and cookies or something. My main point was that I don’t think the Arabs hate us (ohhhhh…racist remark) for our freedom as much as for our support of Israel. Shit, a homeless person in this country is free. Do you think the Arabs hate us because that homeless person is free ?
[quote]lixy wrote:
What are you saying? That having antisemitic relatives give you a free pass on racist talk?
[quote]therover wrote:
First off, don’t try to figure out what I am saying. You may hurt yourself.
But…you are off base here pal…do you know what a Semite is ?
Isn’t a Semite, in the purest sense, encompass both Hebrews and Arabs, based on culture and language from one origin ? So, in that case, an Anti-Semite in the purest sense hates both Hebrews and Arabs.
Don’t use the modern day usage of the phrase Anti-Semite as one that just hates Hebrews. Please don’t use that word at all unless it encompasses BOTH Arabs and Hebrews.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Jews may be an ethnoreligious group, but they sure aren’t a race.
[quote]therover wrote:
Then based on that, my grandparents weren’t racist because they hated Jews…which isn’t a race !! They are exonorated !! BUT…I think they hated Hebrews !!!
[quote]lixy wrote:
Intellectual laziness and/or complacency is, in my view, the cause of most man-made problems today.
[quote]therover wrote:
Fuck that…my point is that my intellect is NOT going to be wasted on something that I cannot comprehend and that is too gray of an area. I have more important things to think about as opposed to whether a point of view or post is racist or not.
[quote]frederickson wrote:
seriously, you sound like the kind of dope that thinks the videos shown on american tv broadcasts on 9/11 were actually palestinians celebrating the terrorist attacks. [/quote]
There is no doubt that a bunch of Palestinians were celebrating something that day. What? It’s hard to say with certainty. There’s evidence that an agent provocateur was present.
And subsequent clarifications with the woman seen cheering the most on the video revealed that she was offered cake to celebrate in front of the camera. She stated her disgust after seeing the context in which the images were used.
[quote]therover wrote:
Ok…so what ? Isn’t that part of our ‘freedom’… freedom of speech ? [/quote]
Oh…but it is.
I just didn’t realize it was acceptable enough on this board to go by unnoticed. Hence, my original question.
[quote]But…you are off base here pal…do you know what a Semite is ?
Isn’t a Semite, in the purest sense, encompass both Hebrews and Arabs, based on culture and language from one origin ? So, in that case, an Anti-Semite in the purest sense hates both Hebrews and Arabs.
Don’t use the modern day usage of the phrase Anti-Semite as one that just hates Hebrews. Please don’t use that word at all unless it encompasses BOTH Arabs and Hebrews. [/quote]
You got me on this one.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Jews may be an ethnoreligious group, but they sure aren’t a race.
therover wrote:
Then based on that, my grandparents weren’t racist because they hated Jews…which isn’t a race !! They are exonorated !! BUT…I think they hated Hebrews !!! [/quote]
I don’t know. I’ve never met them.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Intellectual laziness and/or complacency is, in my view, the cause of most man-made problems today.
therover wrote:
Fuck that…my point is that my intellect is NOT going to be wasted on something that I cannot comprehend and that is too gray of an area. I have more important things to think about as opposed to whether a point of view or post is racist or not. [/quote]
In that case, you probably may want to reconsider what you’re doing on this forum in the first place.
Talk about they “hate us for our freedoms” is stupid alright. But saying that hate is in their blood takes it to a whole new level. Of course Israel is a key factor in the way the USA are perceived in the region (and beyond).
But it’s by no means the whole picture. Take Iranians for example; they wouldn’t give a rat’s ass had it not been for the overthrow of their democratically elected leader and shoving the Shah in their faces. In fact, what could have been a much-needed natural ally for Tel-Aviv was indirectly turned into a theocracy by Washington. But I digress…
Bottomline: if no good deed goes unpunished, just imagine what you get for bad deeds. And the US stuck its nose up the butt of the whole region for a long time now. Payback was a matter of when.
Lixy, and anyone else that may have been offended.
I again apologize.
All I wanted to do is voice my opinion on why I think the reason of ‘they hate us for our freedom’ and ‘its due to our way of life’ is trivial compared to other reasons like USA occupation in the region, support for Israel, and a ‘perceived’, in my eyes, true dislike towards Hebrews.
Lixy…as far as reconsidering being on the board for voicing an opinion, maybe you should too.
Come on…isn’t that what forums are about. I stated this before. I learn much more, and get much more enlightened reading posts on this site then almost anywhere. And not being afraid to state something for fear of being lambasted is a good thing. But for people to say one should not be on here due to a post they made, or how they want to spend their time thinking about things, is childish.
[quote]lixy wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
lixy wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
But they just want to exist.
We are way past that point.
And much of the Arab leadership is willing to accept nothing less than their extermination.
I’m curious. Besides Hamas (which rules as it can over an open-air prison), who do you have in mind when you say “much of Arab leadership”?
Many. And they’re none too quiet about it. Ahmadinejad for one. As recently as last month, he vowed to continue to support Hamas until the collapse of Israel. Iran also writes “Death to Israel” and “Death to the United States” on missiles exhibited on parade.
Look, I’m really interested in getting to this bottom of this “many”. So please indulge me. I personally can’t think of anyone in “the Arab leadership” besides Hamas arguing that position. People who did, got overthrown, died or sacked.
And at the risk of pointing out the obvious, Ahmadinejad is an “Arab leader” as much as Angela Merkel is a Kurdish one.[/quote]
Don’t be fucking stupid. You know the game. Don’t asks questions you already know the anwswer to.