And ye, Ortiz was getting beaten soundly. His eyes were closing, he was getting beaten to the punch, and it was only going to get worse. I personally doubt it would have made the 9th. I reckon Mayweather would only have needed another round or two before he broke Ortiz down entirely, but maybe that is because I think his spirit and limited heart had already gone at the end of the fourth round.
LondonBoxer123,
Well stated.
I would be interested to see how Ortiz used his head in past fights. If he never did, or was always obvious than he may have been doing it in earnest. If was less obvious than it makes me think it was an “I don’t want to play anymore.” kind of deal. Fouling that obvious reminds me of Gollata.
Regards,
Robert A
By the way, for those gettin on Floyd for doing what he did…
Can you honestly imagine what would have happened to Ortiz if he had been fighting Roberto Duran and he pulled a move like that?
They’d still be waiting for him to regain consciousness.
As far as I’m concerned it was a legal shot, and Ortiz has no one to blame but himself for the L on his record. That headbutt was a bitch move, he should have known payback was coming anyway.
Not a fan of Mayweather either, but I don’t know if there’s anyone out there who can land good solid shots on him. Pac might be able to go the distance with him, and I don’t see Mayweather KOing Pac, but I don’t think Pac can land enough solid shots on Mayweather to drop him either. I’m not sure if anyone in that weight class can.
It’s very funny how dissimilar the conversations are on the two correlating threads about this - one which has people in the game speakin on the fight, and the other has regular people commenting.
just watched the fight and Mayweather has a new fan. that guy is insanely awesome.
[quote]devildog_jim wrote:
As far as I’m concerned it was a legal shot, and Ortiz has no one to blame but himself for the L on his record. That headbutt was a bitch move, he should have known payback was coming anyway.
Not a fan of Mayweather either, but I don’t know if there’s anyone out there who can land good solid shots on him. Pac might be able to go the distance with him, and I don’t see Mayweather KOing Pac, but I don’t think Pac can land enough solid shots on Mayweather to drop him either. I’m not sure if anyone in that weight class can.[/quote]
Agreed. I think Pac is the closest to an answer for Mayweather that is out there, but he could easily come up short. I am really doubtful that he could hurt Floyd early enough to win rounds, force Mayweather to engage, and then get the KO or a decision. He certainly stands a chance, but I think he has to be considered the underdog.
Regards,
Robert A
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
It’s very funny how dissimilar the conversations are on the two correlating threads about this - one which has people in the game speakin on the fight, and the other has regular people commenting.
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x2. Most sport writers I’ve seen thus far haven’t made an issue out of it.
All the hate comes from people like me on forums lol.
Seriously, though, you make a very good point with that long post of yours. I guess I, like a lot of people who watched the fight, get caught up in the whole ‘sportsmanship’ thing. Still, it would have been nice to see Floyd do his thing.
And you’re right about people thinking Ortiz was winning. As with the Delahoya fight, they see a guy backing up while another throws an ineffective flurry and figure the latter is always winning.
rundymc,
No, you aknowledged that you were a bit hazy on the rules. The hate is coming from the people yelling “I don’t care about the agreed to rules. I think he should have done________!” You were never in that catagory.
Note: There are a ton of legitimate reasons to critisize Mayweather and call him everything from a dick to a fool. None of them involve his conduct inside a ring.
Regards,
Robert A
Not true, I called it a suckerpunch a few posts back. I’m a hater 
I liked bloodyelbow’s breakdown about the situation
Fuck me, Larry merchant is 80 years old!?
Get this dude to a retirement home already, before he has a heart attack mid vodka tainted rants.
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The headbutt might have annoyed Mayweather but I don’t think that pissed him off. I don’t think anybody saw the hook Ortiz threw after the headbutt while Mayweather was looking at the Ref. I think that really pissed Mayweather off.
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THEY TOUCHED GLOVES. Then Mayweather chin checked him to let him know he didn’t like the headbutt. Who in boxing looks at the ref after getting punched in the face at the start of a fight? Why are you looking at the ref? he didn’t punch him the nuts or anywhere else. This goes for any sport, football, basketball, what would a player do if another player is looking at the ref?
There is such thing as a legal hit that can also be construed as a “cheap shot” - it happens in football all the time (during returns). That’s why you have to always be aware of what’s going on and protect yourself. It’s not necessarily the fault of the hitter.
I suppose if I was in the ring with Mayweather or anyone else and dropped my hands and looked away after touching gloves, I would immediately get knocked the fuck out, and it would probably look less-than-sporting to spectators. Too bad for me, though.
I’m just a casual boxing fan and don’t like Mayweather at all. But Ortiz deserved what he got.
yeah ortiz was losing anyway, but was still trying to make a fight of it. he should have known payback was coming after such a silly headbutt. if there one thing you should know about mayweather its that you never let your guard down against him, he will make you pay bad.
i just wonder what would have happen if it was the other way around and mayweather got dropped after touching gloves, his head would have probably exploded after that cheap shot,lol. on a sidenote mayweather is really damn strong at welter, it would take a big jr middleweight to impose themsevles on mayweather imo.
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
Fuck me, Larry merchant is 80 years old!?
Get this dude to a retirement home already, before he has a heart attack mid vodka tainted rants.[/quote]
Hahaha!
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[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
And ye, Ortiz was getting beaten soundly. His eyes were closing, he was getting beaten to the punch, and it was only going to get worse. I personally doubt it would have made the 9th. I reckon Mayweather would only have needed another round or two before he broke Ortiz down entirely, but maybe that is because I think his spirit and limited heart had already gone at the end of the fourth round. [/quote]
I agree with this. I actually expected him to last till the 6th round. He looked to me like someone who knew he was going to lose the fight anyway. He was getting his ass whooped and making a fool of himself. I’m sure he was so glad when the fight ended.
And despite his many headbutts, he’s seen as the good guy. He was even smiling at the end of the fight, lol. Don’t know if those were nerves or that he was glad that embarrassing himself in the ring was all over.
He was trying to play the good guy and make a name for himself.
I’m what you would call a casual boxing fan. I don’t really follow the sport. The only reason I know who Paul Williams and Martinez are is because I come to forums like this. I watch a lot of old footage and docus, but more as a fight fan.
I didn’t know who the fuck Victor Ortiz was until he signed to fight Floyd.
So the way I see it, the guy had a golden opportunity in front of him. Sure he was probably going to lose, but at least he’d get some name recognition.
When he was KOed, I bet the first thing that went through his head was ‘damage control’. Smile, take the loss well. Don’t look pissed, shake Floyd’s hand. Mayweather is already a giant dick, if you act like one now the world will forget you.
He seems like a nice guy, docile almost. Probably came naturally to him.
Karma’s a bitch…
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Karma’s a bitch…
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That clip is gold.
So this kid was always dirty, and in the retarded get caught way. Not the Hopkins/Holyfield dark side of the moon(Gene LeBell ref in case anyone cares) way.
Seeing that really reinforces my assertion that letting Ortiz get close enough to “hug” would have been a huge mistake.
Regards,
Robert A