[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]mertdawg wrote:<<< “Omnipotent” is just a nice way of saying STFU[/quote]Now that is a vast juvenile oversimplification if you’re serious. And frankly beneath you.
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I don’t know how to make the smiley face.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
I hope Osamas death has more good repercussions here on earth than bad. [/quote]
It will, and I believe that. And, about the omnipotent comment: freewill. The difference between Tirib and Catholics is that Catholics believe in freewill.
G-d’s will was that we would freely love him (otherwise we wouldn’t actually love him if we had no choice), with freedom to love or not brought the chance of not loving G-d and sinning. And, that is why things can go against his will. It may not go against his plan, but that is what string theory is for. 
[quote]mertdawg wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:I find it hard to believe in a universe ruled by a perfect, omnipotent deity where things can happen that are not part of that deities plan. >>>[/quote]I almost fell off my chair when I read this.
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You mean God almost pushed you out of your chair. Careful. [/quote]
G-d predetermined that Tirib would almost fall off his chair and you would make this comment. Careful, you might fall off your chair.
Just remember that the exact activity of every wind blown grain of sand in all the deserts of the world obey Him completely. Every molecule of water in every ocean
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
I’m still not sure I understand. You are hoping that Osama does not spend eternity being tortured, but that justice is served?
What specific circumstance would fill that?
This isn’t a trick or some “You want Osama in heaven?!” ploy, btw. I’m honestly curious.[/quote]
A little difficult I know. I want all of G-d’s creatures in Heaven. However, justice can’t go unserved, either.
No, I am not a fan of Osama at all, the man is a mass murder and a terrorist and even if he had repented and became a Catholic the man should be put to death.[/quote]
You’re still avoiding the question, Chris.
What exact circumstance are you hoping for? Do you hope Osama is allowed into heaven, since justice has been fulfulled on earth? That Osama be punished for some determined amount of time (or until he repents) and eventually allowed into heaven?
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Just remember that the exact activity of every wind blown grain of sand in all the deserts of the world obey Him completely. Every molecule of water in every ocean[/quote]
And every letter of every word of every post by every Atheist who slanders His holy name and denies his very existence.
Given that, how can you not accept and, in fact, rejoice at each of those posts?
Doesn’t everyone, and everything, honor Him in the highest simply by being part of His creation (which exists to honor Him)?
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
What exact circumstance are you hoping for? [/quote]
Why must he have any? Where’s the requirement that he must present how or what the mercy must be, to you? Whose theology is this, after all?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
What exact circumstance are you hoping for? [/quote]
Why must he have any? Where’s the requirement that he must present how or what the mercy must be, to you? Whose theology is this, after all?[/quote]
He doesn’t have to have any, and there is no such requirement. If he doesn’t know exactly what Gods mercy would be, ok. But he was repeating the same vague thing in response to my question.
I wasn’t attacking him. Promise.
A friend happened to send me this quotation a few minutes ago:
“Even here I rest in Christ and with Christ; how, then, can I do otherwise than to believe that eternal rest in Him awaits me after death, and after the struggle against earthly enemies? Here without Christ I feel oppressed and in pain; how can I do otherwise than believe that it will be still more grievous to be without Christ there…, when He will finally cast me away from before His face? Thus the present state of our souls foreshadows the future. The future will be a continuation of the present inward condition, only in a modified form as to its degree: for the righteous it will be turned into the fullness of eternal glory; for sinners, into the fullness of everlasting torment.”
St. John of Kronstadt.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
What exact circumstance are you hoping for? [/quote]
Why must he have any? Where’s the requirement that he must present how or what the mercy must be, to you? Whose theology is this, after all?[/quote]
He doesn’t have to have any, and there is no such requirement. If he doesn’t know exactly what Gods mercy would be, ok. But he was repeating the same vague thing in response to my question.
I wasn’t attacking him. Promise.[/quote]
Ah, ok. I understand.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
I’m still not sure I understand. You are hoping that Osama does not spend eternity being tortured, but that justice is served?
What specific circumstance would fill that?
This isn’t a trick or some “You want Osama in heaven?!” ploy, btw. I’m honestly curious.[/quote]
A little difficult I know. I want all of G-d’s creatures in Heaven. However, justice can’t go unserved, either.
No, I am not a fan of Osama at all, the man is a mass murder and a terrorist and even if he had repented and became a Catholic the man should be put to death.[/quote]
You’re still avoiding the question, Chris.
What exact circumstance are you hoping for? Do you hope Osama is allowed into heaven, since justice has been fulfulled on earth? That Osama be punished for some determined amount of time (or until he repents) and eventually allowed into heaven?
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I don’t have any exact circumstances that I am hoping for except that justice is done. I already said I don’t make such judgments.
And, no I don’t think justice was done on earth, even if he was to have converted he’d need to deal with the temporal punishment in purgatory. I don’t understand your fourth sentence.