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Now here’s a Hindu that knows what he’s talking about:

[quote]CAIR is a direct manifestation of Mohammed’s Sunna and jihad. CAIR is actually just one part of Islam’s strategy to annihilate the Western culture. It is far more dangerous than any Mohammed Atta or any other jihadists.

Lies and deceit are CAIR’s stock-in-trade. They claim to be akin to a “Muslim NAACP,” but everyone from the Department of Homeland Security, to FBI counterterrorism chiefs, to moderate American Muslims recognizes the extreme rhetoric that CAIR endorses. At least five of CAIR’s board members and employees have been linked to terrorism-related activities. They are fifth columnists, preying upon our values of tolerance and multiculturalism. [/quote]

http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=53EDA97A-4626-4866-80A2-6694936F101B

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From the link: "Ultimately, then, this is a struggle over whether the nations of this world will be ruled under Sharia law or not. As Omar Ahmad, founder of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said: �??Islam isn�??t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant.�??

Hope he wins. He sounds like the real deal.

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There is no way I’m the only one who thought you meant this Kunar.

What so many politicians do not seem to realize is that our struggle is against more than just �??terror.�?? Terrorism is simply a method, not an end itself. Terrorism is just one tactic being used by Islamic extremists in their effort to force their way of life on the rest of the world.

He’s got the right idea, but what does he propose we change to combat the ideas behind terrorism instead of just terrorism?

I did not read the entire article (have to run to a doctors appointment) so pardon me if it is mentioned.

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[quote]Magnate wrote:
There is no way I’m the only one who thought you meant this Kunar.

What so many politicians do not seem to realize is that our struggle is against more than just �??terror.�?? Terrorism is simply a method, not an end itself. Terrorism is just one tactic being used by Islamic extremists in their effort to force their way of life on the rest of the world.

He’s got the right idea, but what does he propose we change to combat the ideas behind terrorism instead of just terrorism?

I did not read the entire article (have to run to a doctors appointment) so pardon me if it is mentioned. [/quote]

Stop Muslim immigration etc.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Magnate wrote:
There is no way I’m the only one who thought you meant this Kunar.

What so many politicians do not seem to realize is that our struggle is against more than just �??terror.�?? Terrorism is simply a method, not an end itself. Terrorism is just one tactic being used by Islamic extremists in their effort to force their way of life on the rest of the world.

He’s got the right idea, but what does he propose we change to combat the ideas behind terrorism instead of just terrorism?

I did not read the entire article (have to run to a doctors appointment) so pardon me if it is mentioned.

Stop Muslim immigration etc.[/quote]

Yep.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Magnate wrote:
There is no way I’m the only one who thought you meant this Kunar.

What so many politicians do not seem to realize is that our struggle is against more than just �??terror.�?? Terrorism is simply a method, not an end itself. Terrorism is just one tactic being used by Islamic extremists in their effort to force their way of life on the rest of the world.

He’s got the right idea, but what does he propose we change to combat the ideas behind terrorism instead of just terrorism?

I did not read the entire article (have to run to a doctors appointment) so pardon me if it is mentioned.

Stop Muslim immigration etc.[/quote]

Gosh that’ll certainly end all of the poverty and tribal-structure in Muslim society that’s the root of terrorist activity. Yes-sir-ee!

How about we stop giving the rich, crazy fuckers money (no oil dependence) as a start? Then how about the Brits and some of the American states start smacking down the fucktarded lawsuits brought up by Muslim crazies?

Shutting down immigration will prevent good people from immigrating quietly from a terrible place to a good place. It will do nothing, zero, zip, nada, to fix the root of the problem. It is equivalent of plugging our ears and hoping it goes away.

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You should read “Sleeping with the Devil.” It contains your answer.

How do we know they’re good?

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Shutting down immigration will prevent good people from immigrating quietly from a terrible place to a good place. It will do nothing, zero, zip, nada, to fix the root of the problem. It is equivalent of plugging our ears and hoping it goes away.

How do we know they’re good?[/quote]

Did I say they were all good? No. So I assume you’re saying they’re all bad. Which is ridiculous, as I know plenty of Muslims who’s immigrant parents are perfectly awesome people, contributing more to America than many, many white home-growns.

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[quote]Beowolf wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Shutting down immigration will prevent good people from immigrating quietly from a terrible place to a good place. It will do nothing, zero, zip, nada, to fix the root of the problem. It is equivalent of plugging our ears and hoping it goes away.

How do we know they’re good?

Did I say they were all good? No. So I assume you’re saying they’re all bad. Which is ridiculous, as I know plenty of Muslims who’s immigrant parents are perfectly awesome people, contributing more to America than many, many white home-growns. [/quote]

I’m suggesting that we have no way of telling a priori what their stance is on jihad against infidels and shari’ah, both of which go against our Constitution. We’ve seen polls here that said that 30% of Muslim youths in this country support such a thing. Do we need more 9/11s? It’s just a foolish policy to bring more of them here. Britain has a huge problem on its hands now with terror cells. Canada recently arrested a group of terrorists (several of whom had gone to college in the US) who were planning on attacking the Canadian parliament and beheading the prime minister. I’m suggesting our own positive personal anecdotes, whatever those may be, are not solid grounds upon which to base national immigration policy.

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So we should ban a group of people who practice a particular religion because some of what they may or may not believe conflicts with our constitution… which protects the rights of all peoples to practice their religion. Right. Makes perfect sense…

Are you, perhaps, the bizzaro version of Thomas Jefferson?

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[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Magnate wrote:
There is no way I’m the only one who thought you meant this Kunar.

What so many politicians do not seem to realize is that our struggle is against more than just �??terror.�?? Terrorism is simply a method, not an end itself. Terrorism is just one tactic being used by Islamic extremists in their effort to force their way of life on the rest of the world.

He’s got the right idea, but what does he propose we change to combat the ideas behind terrorism instead of just terrorism?

I did not read the entire article (have to run to a doctors appointment) so pardon me if it is mentioned.

Stop Muslim immigration etc.

Gosh that’ll certainly end all of the poverty and tribal-structure in Muslim society that’s the root of terrorist activity. Yes-sir-ee!

How about we stop giving the rich, crazy fuckers money (no oil dependence) as a start? Then how about the Brits and some of the American states start smacking down the fucktarded lawsuits brought up by Muslim crazies?

Shutting down immigration will prevent good people from immigrating quietly from a terrible place to a good place. It will do nothing, zero, zip, nada, to fix the root of the problem. It is equivalent of plugging our ears and hoping it goes away.[/quote]

Bin Laden is rich. The 9/11 scum were not poor tribal people.

Many people think the root of the problem is Islam itself. This stuff is built into the basics of the religion. Muhammed himself practiced them.

Not all Muslims are jihadists because they ignore those parts of their religion.

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Bin Laden was rich. His supporters? The ones who actually blow the crap out of themselves? You think they have money? Really?

Rich people don’t suicide bomb, they entice other people to suicide bomb with promises of glory. If you honestly believe poverty doesn’t create a culture of violence, you’ve never been to a slum.

As for Islam itself, there are terrible things built into every religion. Islam needs reform just like Christianity did not-so-many centuries ago, and Hinduism did up until just recently. You are correct in saying that not all Muslims are jihadists because they ignore that part of their religion. Similar to how not all Christians are wife beaters, not all Hindu’s support the caste system, and not all Buddhists are vegetarians.

Islam isn’t the problem. Those who currently LEAD Islam are the problem.

(And, making sure you noted this, I’ve already suggested we stop giving so much money to their oil barons. I’m pretty sure we’re on the same page for that, at least.)

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[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Bin Laden was rich. His supporters? The ones who actually blow the crap out of themselves? You think they have money? Really?

[/quote]

They are not poor. The 9/11 hijackers were westernized educated men. they were not rock sucking poor guys caught up in tribal feuds.

What about those doctors that suicide attacked the airport in Britain?

All the way back to Muhammed.

I would love to but oil is still the most practical energy source and we have to deal with it.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
Bin Laden was rich. His supporters? The ones who actually blow the crap out of themselves? You think they have money? Really?

They are not poor. The 9/11 hijackers were westernized educated men. they were not rock sucking poor guys caught up in tribal feuds.[/quote]

I was more talking about the ones that blow themselves up in the Middle East itself.

Exceptions shall exist. Just like many rich men went out on the crusades… because they were bored.

Yep. And Christianity has been fucked up since Peter, Judaism since Abraham. What of it?

[quote]
(And, making sure you noted this, I’ve already suggested we stop giving so much money to their oil barons. I’m pretty sure we’re on the same page for that, at least.)

I would love to but oil is still the most practical energy source and we have to deal with it.[/quote]

We’re kind of sitting on a pretty little oil reserve right here on American soil… or under it rather. Had you forgotten?

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[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
Bin Laden was rich. His supporters? The ones who actually blow the crap out of themselves? You think they have money? Really?

They are not poor. The 9/11 hijackers were westernized educated men. they were not rock sucking poor guys caught up in tribal feuds.

I was more talking about the ones that blow themselves up in the Middle East itself.

Rich people don’t suicide bomb, they entice other people to suicide bomb with promises of glory. If you honestly believe poverty doesn’t create a culture of violence, you’ve never been to a slum.

What about those doctors that suicide attacked the airport in Britain?

Exceptions shall exist. Just like many rich men went out on the crusades… because they were bored.

As for Islam itself, there are terrible things built into every religion. Islam needs reform just like Christianity did not-so-many centuries ago, and Hinduism did up until just recently. You are correct in saying that not all Muslims are jihadists because they ignore that part of their religion. Similar to how not all Christians are wife beaters, not all Hindu’s support the caste system, and not all Buddhists are vegetarians.

Islam isn’t the problem. Those who currently LEAD Islam are the problem.

All the way back to Muhammed.

Yep. And Christianity has been fucked up since Peter, Judaism since Abraham. What of it?

(And, making sure you noted this, I’ve already suggested we stop giving so much money to their oil barons. I’m pretty sure we’re on the same page for that, at least.)

I would love to but oil is still the most practical energy source and we have to deal with it.

We’re kind of sitting on a pretty little oil reserve right here on American soil… or under it rather. Had you forgotten?

[/quote]

You really don’t understand the nature of these jihadists and how deep it is rooted in Islam.

Islam means submission. Do you want to submit?

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Err… no. I don’t.

The concept that women should never, in any capacity, hold the same stations as men is rooted pretty deep in the Bible too… and yet there are plenty of Christians who know that shit is retarded.

If being “deeply rooted in Islam” really meant anything, than all Muslims would be Jihadists. As few Muslims actually support a unified Islamic state, I’m thinking that’s not exactly right.

Remember, hatred for the US and Israel a Jihadist does not make.

If you’re talking about those who believe they need to spread Islam across the globe… I again point to Christianity five to four centuries ago.

Islam is just as intrinsically fucked-up as the other Monotheist religions it shares a majority of its stories with. The culture is allowing Muslims to take advantage of Islam, using the worst parts of it to make the culture even worse. Un cycle vicieux that has been perpetuating itself for centuries.

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[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Err… no. I don’t.

The concept that women should never, in any capacity, hold the same stations as men is rooted pretty deep in the Bible too… and yet there are plenty of Christians who know that shit is retarded.

If being “deeply rooted in Islam” really meant anything, than all Muslims would be Jihadists. As few Muslims actually support a unified Islamic state, I’m thinking that’s not exactly right.

Remember, hatred for the US and Israel a Jihadist does not make.

If you’re talking about those who believe they need to spread Islam across the globe… I again point to Christianity five to four centuries ago.

Islam is just as intrinsically fucked-up as the other Monotheist religions it shares a majority of its stories with. The culture is allowing Muslims to take advantage of Islam, using the worst parts of it to make the culture even worse. Un cycle vicieux that has been perpetuating itself for centuries. [/quote]

Can you point me to where Jesus and Peter et al said to spread Christianity by the point of the sword?

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[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Err… no. I don’t.

The concept that women should never, in any capacity, hold the same stations as men is rooted pretty deep in the Bible too… and yet there are plenty of Christians who know that shit is retarded. [/quote]

Err… what are you referring to when you say “too”? The Quran contains nothing of the sort.

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If someone wants to migrate to a radically different culture/climate, I have to wonder why. For example, I would never have let Lixy into Sweden because he’s young and wants to move to a radically different place and culture. Why?

If we prevent 100 innocent people from entering but in so doing exclude a mad bomber who would kill hundreds or thousands, then I’m all for it.

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[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Err… no. I don’t.

The concept that women should never, in any capacity, hold the same stations as men is rooted pretty deep in the Bible too… and yet there are plenty of Christians who know that shit is retarded.

If being “deeply rooted in Islam” really meant anything, than all Muslims would be Jihadists. As few Muslims actually support a unified Islamic state, I’m thinking that’s not exactly right.

Remember, hatred for the US and Israel a Jihadist does not make.

If you’re talking about those who believe they need to spread Islam across the globe… I again point to Christianity five to four centuries ago.

Islam is just as intrinsically fucked-up as the other Monotheist religions it shares a majority of its stories with. The culture is allowing Muslims to take advantage of Islam, using the worst parts of it to make the culture even worse. Un cycle vicieux that has been perpetuating itself for centuries. [/quote]

Why do you defend Islam? Don’t you understand that “moderate” Islamic charities are funding terrorism?

Don’t you understand that the recent decision in Britian to allow Sharia law legalizes the abusive natire of Islam towards women? The Muslim women that need the protection of the law the most just lost it.

How many thousands upon thosands of jihadists terrorist attacks have occured around the world in the last few years that have NOTHING to do with Iraq, Israel, Afghanistan?

Open your eyes!