How do you deal with somebody like this dude.
What’s stopping some pervo from using the co-ed bathrooms just to get his jollies?
Clearly within his rights…right?
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It’s a dilemma, as I said. I don’t have the answers.
My point was merely that transgender is often a biological condition that is as valid as Down’s syndrome or any other genetic abnormality that occurs during gestational development.
I don’t know if ‘often’ fits, considering approximately .0006% of babies are born transgender.
I oversee K-12 construction and every new (remodeled) school, regardless of grade, has to have a unisex restroom.
To clarify the way her sentence structure works, she was saying that, when transgenderism occurs, it is often the result of a biological condition. Your statement would be refuting her if she said “transgenderism is a biological condition that occurs often”.
Understood, I admittedly could be wrong, but I would assume, of the total transgender population a greater portion choose/identify to be transgender vs. are born this way.
Hmm. .0006%? My (highly sophisticated Internet) research says ambiguous genetalia occurs in 1/4,500 births.
I don’t have a horse in this race, but I prefer to approach these situations with compassion. There was a time when anyone with genetic abnormalities was essentially considered a freak and institutionalized.
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Kind of a tangent because this isn’t the case with Janae Kroc, or most of the people we’re taking about here -
A close friend of mine had a baby born with ambiguous genitalia. In her case, the little guy had a very small penis that looked almost like an enlarged clitoris, hypospadius (urethra opening was on the underside), and testes that weren’t descended. The pediatrician at his birth made his best guess that they had a little boy. Genetic tests showed that indeed, he had XY chromosomes. The worst part was knowing what to say when he was born. Friends and family know you’re in the hospital delivering a baby. The first thing they ask is, “Is it a girl or a boy?” They didn’t want to say, “We’re not sure,” so they just said they had a boy and fortunately they were right. They were sweating it out a bit until the tests came back.
Because of the availability of genetic testing, most of these things get sorted out in the first few days or weeks of life. Their son is now a teenager and he has all the typically masculine traits. No gender confusion or issues. In the few other cases I’ve seen over the years in reviewing medical records for kids with disabilities, this has been the case. I know there are cases where the genitals don’t match the chromosomes, but fortunately in places like the US, we’re able to test and sort out genetics pretty quickly on kids that are born with some kind visible deformity.
@ compassion. I agree. We don’t have to have the political, or public policy stuff all sorted out in order to be kind to people on an individual level. “Always be humble and kind.” The issue becomes more complicated if you’re talking about public policy decisions, or if you’re a parent who is trying to decide the best thing to do for your individual kid.
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Take either of those factors, 1/4500 (.0002) or .0006, of approximately 3.5 million live births per year (I only looked back to about 1970) and you get quite a few possible cases of that condition.
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Legitimate question, Chushin. I guess I’m assuming that perhaps at least some of the people who experience gender confusion (or whatever it’s called) may have a biological/genetic etiology for those feelings.
Because America has become a pussified, overly progressive nation.
Even liberals are feeling the Bern of having to triple check everything they say, so as not to offend somebody with a Twitter account and too much time on their hands.
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Yes. It’s off the topic, but some of my liberal professor friends are really disappointed with the idea that they have to be so careful about what they say in the classroom, for fear of “triggering” someone. If you have to censor your history lesson to not discuss anything that might be violent or offensive to any group…
Back to the topic, there are people who advocate that all public schools be gender neutral. For example, they don’t want teachers to say, “Boys and girls, listen up!” In their view, that’s discriminatory to kids who don’t associate with either. There are college students who demand that neither male or female pronouns can be used when talking to them. In terms of public policy, you’ve got practical issues like bathrooms, insurance coverage for reassignment surgeries, and there are people who advocate gender education like this - Genderbread Person. IMO, advocates for some of these policy shifts use the child born with a genital deformity example because it’s very sympathetic, even though most of those cases don’t have anything to do with the adult who becomes transgender.
http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2011/11/breaking-through-the-binary-gender-explained-using-continuums/
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Agree.
For me, its really not about keeping the transgender person out. If someone is living their life as a woman, I don’t have a deal with that. I have no idea if they have had reassignment surgery, or what’s going on with them. Those people are often already using those restroom that matches their appearance. This is more about how an attempt at “anti-discrimination” effectively allows ALL MEN access to the women’s restroom/ locker room.
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I was recently in the Dominican Republic and I thought this was interesting:
In one particular village, nearly 2% of the population are Guevodoces (meaning, “penis at twelve”).
"Another thing that Imperato-McGinley discovered, which would have profound implications for many men around the world, was that the Guevedoces tend to have small prostates.
This observation, made in 1974, was picked up by Roy Vagelos, head of research at the multinational pharmaceutical giant, Merck. He thought this was extremely interesting and set in progress research which led to the development of what has become a best-selling drug, finasteride, which blocks the action of 5-alpha-reductase, mimicking the lack of dihydro-testosterone seen in the Guevedoces.
My wife, who is a GP, routinely prescribes finasteride as it is an effective way to treat benign enlargement of the prostate, a real curse for many men as they get older. Finasteride is also used to treat male pattern baldness."
And, finally, “A final interesting observation that Imperato-McGinley made was that these boys, despite being brought up as girls, almost all showed strong heterosexual preferences. She concluded in her seminal paper that hormones in the womb matter more than rearing when it comes to your sexual orientation.”
Lastly, does anyone know the relationship (if there is one) between transgenderism and sexuality?
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Many restaurants I’ve been in over the last 20 years provide individual stalls with real doors (great for bumps off the toilet paper holder) and an often times non-gendered, communal sink/mirror area. Seems like the best solution moving forward.
I’m a little stunned that your aunt disrobed in the public area of a restroom of that sort, and would honestly be surprised (and possibly would stare as I processed what I was seeing) if I encountered her. The place to rinse your bikini is in the showers she’d just left if private (some beaches have shower stalls, some don’t) or at home. This is not the gym, where nudity may be expected.
To me her behavior seems exhibitionist enough that I somewhat question the veracity of her report. Although of course weird creepy men may be expected to do their thing regardless of people taking tops off or not.
I laughed at the Scotland pic.
As for the fear expressed by UtahLama concerning a dude strolling into the ladies room shouting “It’s fine, I’m a transgender,” well…either he is a trans male, in which case he sports a vagina and is in the prescribed restroom according to the people who believe you are as you were born, or he is transing to female, in which case no one will be the wiser since there are no urinals in women’s rooms. I would guess that female-to-male in the men’s room would use the stalls, too, as urinals are not optimal for female genitalia.
I agree with Clunk; much ado about nothing, bathroom-wise.
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I agree. I like to do my blow in private. I shouldn’t have to wait until I get home.
