2-3 years for the hormones? Really? I could be wrong but this is certainly not the impression I have gotten.
That was my quote actually, and it appears I was off. I believe I was confusing amount of time it takes from start to operation with time it takes to get the hormones.
My understanding was 2-3 years for the irreversible surgeries, and considerably less for the hormones. But even so, a 2-3 year wait is still a legal path to get hormones to reshape your body the way you want. The comparison is no path and possible prison for doing it yourself.
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So if you want to take test legally, you could claim to be making a male to male transexual transition.
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Can’t you get TRT? I feel like it seems to be where the cut off is.
You can get medically prescribed hormones to have the hormonal levels of an average female or an average male, but once you start trying to go into superhuman territories, the law gets involved.
Of course, there are also folks using TRT and blasting past the normal levels, and folks getting prescribed test who don’t actually have hormone issues, so the whole system is pretty screwy.
Female to male uses supraphysiological doses of male hormones (for a female). Male to female uses supraphysiological doses of female hormones (for a male). Both in a way that radically alters physiology from normal. HRT, replacing normal amounts the person would or did have to maintain normal physiology is not equivalent.
I guess in the one case you are focusing on the means and I am focusing on the ends, which would be where the difference lies. I am seeing it as cases wherein it is approved to have the hormone levels associate with an average male or female, whereas you are noting that in one case you are allowed to utilize an exceptional amount of hormones legally whereas in another case you are not.
Am I understanding correctly?
Yes. It is not medically or ethically equivalent to elevate a male to normal male levels as it is to elevate a female to normal male levels.
And I don’t mean to argue one is right or wrong, but I find bodybuilder usage and transgender usage fairly morally equivalent, but the 2 are treated very differently by society and the law. Both are using well beyond normal levels of hormones to radically alter their bodies and change them into how they want them to be.
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It’s an interesting thing to think about for sure. For those that are claiming that transgenderism is a mental condition, it begs the question of if wanting to be some sort of superhuman male is also a mental condition (a desire to have a radically altered body as a result of well beyond normal levels of hormones), or if instead both decisions are ones made of sound mind and should be given the same degree of autonomy.
I imagine there aren’t a lot of people that are willing to agree to either premise.
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Has anybody else ever heard of cases of people being genetically male and physically female, and vice-versa? I saw a show on on the discovery channel some years back that examined the subject pretty thoroughly. People were swearing up and down that they have always felt like members of the opposite sex, then after some testing, it turns out that they were right.
Ya gotta figure with 7.4 billion people on earth that this is going to happen. I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the case with any, but not necessarily every transgender.
Regardless of all of that, happiness and peace of mind can be hard enough to findfind. I wish Janae the best of luck with that.
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Actually not true P. After a three month period of psychological counciling which must be continued for a minimum of a year, you are allowed to start hormones.
Remember though, that a male transitioning to female is going to lose strength and mass., due to the fact that they are now on estrogen and progesterone.
A female to male will increase strength and mass being on test.
As far as the reassignment surgery, you are not allowed to pursue that venue until you have been cleared, which is usually one year after you have started hormones and have lived 24/7 as female.
Now the other Wachowski “brother”, too, “transitioned” and became a … “woman”.
Gosh this culture “revolution” makes typing weird with all the extra ".
Hopefully more and more youngsters realize by now that this is driven largely by some kind of fashion.
Now contrary to popular (read: leftist drivel-driven) opinion, nature came up, by and large, with only two fine-tuned hormonal systems.
If culture does their utmost to denigrate one, the other kinda rises.
Of course, hormones are excreted naturally and we all know that although being homo is a choice, a transsexual is "born in the wrong body.
But culture can totally influence hormones and vice versa.
(extreme examples: two twins, Bob and Jim get seperated- one is in prison lifting and fighting, the other one gets a job at Gawker. Three years later, Bob votes Trump while Jaylin punches a horse)
Some people get totally caught up in this, especially individuals that may be already under some kind of pressure.
The most effeminate will “transition” opportunistically. Take the Wachowskis:
How does it feel to betray your masculinity for money? These “guys” would know. All their movies but Matrix were pink shit but in contrast to Michael Bay they also tanked.
So you play a fabulous victimcard and get hugs and free PR from everyone.
The other way is even more tragic:
The swirl of culture will literally tear personalities of some hormonally deficient men apart.
Bruce was juicing like crazy. “Another lifter” was, -allegedly- injecting -maybe- some hormones that destroyed his fragile internal composition.
Here, the result is a cultural nudge done through endless clapping “ugogirl” “fempower” etc.
Whats also sad:
A site with its name literally advocating the hormonal side of masculism turns and sings this virtue-signaling serenade.
You guys should HAVE OUR BACKS!?
In my pharmacology class, a prof mentioned that during gestation there were certain chemicals that a fetus could be exposed to that resulted in greater risk of transgenderism.
The American College of Pediatricians is a very small splinter group formed to oppose pro-Gay and pro-TG activities. It has an estimated 200 members. It has been identified as a hate group by the SPLC:
The ACP are not to be confused with the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), which is the mainstream organization representing pediatricians. The AAP has about 60,000 members. The AAP’s take on TG youth represents the current mainstream scientific consensus on the subject:
You would know by now everything that guy post is from groups and websites like that. That’s just his thing.
I name the SPLC a hategroup, now what?
What can you do to oppose an ideology in a nice, democratic way?
You band together and start informing people, trying to discuss the issues.
Of course, the ideology will smear you with feces and scream at strawmen.
Some ideologies have entrenched themselves so deep into our cultures, most people automatically respond with pavlovian barks of conformity.
“Hey isn’t that hatespeech/racist /abelist/islamophobia?”
So the AAP is mainstream and (surprise) gay.
The ACP is small.
The have a different opinion.
Deal with it.
Not an accurate characterization of the situation. As a genuine medical organization, the AAP relies on research when generating its policies and recommendations. OTOH, the sole purpose of the ACP is to promote a specific ideology. It masquerades as a medical organization to give its positions the patina of scientific legitimacy, as well as to confuse the public. It is not simply a matter of ‘differing opinions.’
Edited for a spelling error
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I can probably find 200 individuals with “Dr.” in their name who tell you that vaccines cause autism. 50 of them will tell you that chemtrails exist to make the vaccines even better at making people autistic.
Like the ACP, they eschew scientific consensus when it doesn’t fit their emotion-based agenda. Both groups are perfectly entitled to their opinions.
They just aren’t entitled to be taken seriously.
Deal with it.