[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
^The media is gonna have a field day with this.[/quote]
It sucks. I feel bad for the guy. I honestly would think it could have been good publicity for them and Iâ??m a bit surprised.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
^The media is gonna have a field day with this.[/quote]
It sucks. I feel bad for the guy. I honestly would think it could have been good publicity for them and Iâ??m a bit surprised. [/quote]
Ya, I agree. I won’t pretend to understand what Kroc is doing because I don’t, but I don’t understand why the company would fire him over this (assuming it is over this).
I can see this hurting sales though, which I suppose is the reason.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
^The media is gonna have a field day with this.[/quote]
It sucks. I feel bad for the guy. I honestly would think it could have been good publicity for them and Iâ??m a bit surprised. [/quote]
It made me sad, too.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
^The media is gonna have a field day with this.[/quote]
It sucks. I feel bad for the guy. I honestly would think it could have been good publicity for them and I�¢??m a bit surprised. [/quote]
It made me sad, too.[/quote]
Even if you consider it a mental health issue, it’s pretty shitty to fire someone over a medical condition.
If I was in their position I would have kept Kroc on. It may actually benefit their image to embrace a transgender and show that within the lifting world people are tolerant. It also comes down to respect and treating everybody with common decency. That is a shit move to do to some one.
I have stopped using m-tech.
So I am one against a Multi-million dollar company.
If you want to hurt them, and those of them not yet born…tell the truth always.
Or knock them in their nutsack.
[quote]Jlabs wrote:
It may actually benefit their image to embrace a transgender and show that within the lifting world people are tolerant.[/quote]
Fixed for you: SOME are tolerant of and want to pal around with transgenders. I am not sure what other forums you visit, but forums serve for anonymity of posters in all hobbies and interests, and there are quite a few people on other fitness forums who are not fond of Kroc’s move and have showed their “intolerance” liberally.
I actually think the average gym goer of the meat head variety does not care much about the plights of transgenders, nor do they prefer them as an ideal image they want to see on a bodybuilding flier or in a supplemet ad. Actually, I believe a great deal of men these days use bodybuilding, powerlifting, rap, heavy metal, hardcore, and the like, as formulaic expressions of some type of badass masculinity. I don’t see transgenders meshing well with this.
Kroc also said that he was dropped from the brand before he came out, if I recall correctly from info I read this morning.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Kroc also said that he was dropped from the brand before he came out, if I recall correctly from info I read this morning. [/quote]
He said it was before it all came out, but after MT found out.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Jlabs wrote:
It may actually benefit their image to embrace a transgender and show that within the lifting world people are tolerant.[/quote]
Fixed for you: SOME are tolerant of and want to pal around with transgenders. I am not sure what other forums you visit, but forums serve for anonymity of posters in all hobbies and interests, and there are quite a few people on other fitness forums who are not fond of Kroc’s move and have showed their “intolerance” liberally.
I actually think the average gym goer of the meat head variety does not care much about the plights of transgenders, nor do they prefer them as an ideal image they want to see on a bodybuilding flier or in a supplemet ad. Actually, I believe a great deal of men these days use bodybuilding, powerlifting, rap, heavy metal, hardcore, and the like, as formulaic expressions of some type of badass masculinity. I don’t see transgenders meshing well with this. [/quote]
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out -
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out -
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out -
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me.
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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Jlabs wrote:
It may actually benefit their image to embrace a transgender and show that within the lifting world people are tolerant.[/quote]
Fixed for you: SOME are tolerant of and want to pal around with transgenders. I am not sure what other forums you visit, but forums serve for anonymity of posters in all hobbies and interests, and there are quite a few people on other fitness forums who are not fond of Kroc’s move and have showed their “intolerance” liberally.
I actually think the average gym goer of the meat head variety does not care much about the plights of transgenders, nor do they prefer them as an ideal image they want to see on a bodybuilding flier or in a supplemet ad. Actually, I believe a great deal of men these days use bodybuilding, powerlifting, rap, heavy metal, hardcore, and the like, as formulaic expressions of some type of badass masculinity. I don’t see transgenders meshing well with this. [/quote]
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out -
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out -
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out -
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me.[/quote]
I’ve seen this several times, and though I see the implication of it, I don’t see how it fits with my post. Care to elaborate?
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out -
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out -
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out -
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me.[/quote]
Are you really comparing a private company’s choice to drop an endorsed athlete who they feel no longer embodies their brand to the purging of minority groups in Nazi Germany?
Edit: Not meant to be snarky, just incredulous.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Jlabs wrote:
It may actually benefit their image to embrace a transgender and show that within the lifting world people are tolerant.[/quote]
Fixed for you: SOME are tolerant of and want to pal around with transgenders. I am not sure what other forums you visit, but forums serve for anonymity of posters in all hobbies and interests, and there are quite a few people on other fitness forums who are not fond of Kroc’s move and have showed their “intolerance” liberally.
I actually think the average gym goer of the meat head variety does not care much about the plights of transgenders, nor do they prefer them as an ideal image they want to see on a bodybuilding flier or in a supplemet ad. Actually, I believe a great deal of men these days use bodybuilding, powerlifting, rap, heavy metal, hardcore, and the like, as formulaic expressions of some type of badass masculinity. I don’t see transgenders meshing well with this. [/quote]
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out -
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out -
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out -
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me.[/quote]
i hope you are kidding with this post.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Jlabs wrote:
It may actually benefit their image to embrace a transgender and show that within the lifting world people are tolerant.[/quote]
Fixed for you: SOME are tolerant of and want to pal around with transgenders. I am not sure what other forums you visit, but forums serve for anonymity of posters in all hobbies and interests, and there are quite a few people on other fitness forums who are not fond of Kroc’s move and have showed their “intolerance” liberally.
I actually think the average gym goer of the meat head variety does not care much about the plights of transgenders, nor do they prefer them as an ideal image they want to see on a bodybuilding flier or in a supplemet ad. Actually, I believe a great deal of men these days use bodybuilding, powerlifting, rap, heavy metal, hardcore, and the like, as formulaic expressions of some type of badass masculinity. I don’t see transgenders meshing well with this. [/quote]
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out -
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out -
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out -
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me.[/quote]
OMG, Em, surely this was said in jest? If not, you’ve now got some shark-jumpin’ experience under your belt.
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If not, then they apparently came for me first because they never gave me a contract.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
If not, then they apparently came for me first because they never gave me a contract.[/quote]
I can see now that I should have spoken out when you didn’t get a contract.
Because now, I too am contractless.
[quote]debraD wrote:
It’s not about suffering and it never has been. That’s moronic. It’s about freedom. If someone doesn’t get that then it’s a waste of breath trying to convince whatever fucknut thinks he knows is the pinnacle of my existence. LOL seriously are you guys high when you come up with this shit?
Carry on with your doomsaying. I’m going to pop bonbons that I bought with my own hard earned money.
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But you wont pop children that will make it possible for the next generation to do the same.
We had this discussion.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Jlabs wrote:
It may actually benefit their image to embrace a transgender and show that within the lifting world people are tolerant.[/quote]
Fixed for you: SOME are tolerant of and want to pal around with transgenders. I am not sure what other forums you visit, but forums serve for anonymity of posters in all hobbies and interests, and there are quite a few people on other fitness forums who are not fond of Kroc’s move and have showed their “intolerance” liberally.
I actually think the average gym goer of the meat head variety does not care much about the plights of transgenders, nor do they prefer them as an ideal image they want to see on a bodybuilding flier or in a supplemet ad. Actually, I believe a great deal of men these days use bodybuilding, powerlifting, rap, heavy metal, hardcore, and the like, as formulaic expressions of some type of badass masculinity. I don’t see transgenders meshing well with this. [/quote]
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out -
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out -
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out -
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me.[/quote]
I’ve seen this several times, and though I see the implication of it, I don’t see how it fits with my post. Care to elaborate?
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Heading out camping and was at work reading earlier, so not a lot of thought has gone into this or the above - it was just a reaction to “don’t care much about the plight of.” Probably knee-jerk.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Jlabs wrote:
It may actually benefit their image to embrace a transgender and show that within the lifting world people are tolerant.[/quote]
Fixed for you: SOME are tolerant of and want to pal around with transgenders. I am not sure what other forums you visit, but forums serve for anonymity of posters in all hobbies and interests, and there are quite a few people on other fitness forums who are not fond of Kroc’s move and have showed their “intolerance” liberally.
I actually think the average gym goer of the meat head variety does not care much about the plights of transgenders, nor do they prefer them as an ideal image they want to see on a bodybuilding flier or in a supplemet ad. Actually, I believe a great deal of men these days use bodybuilding, powerlifting, rap, heavy metal, hardcore, and the like, as formulaic expressions of some type of badass masculinity. I don’t see transgenders meshing well with this. [/quote]
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out -
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out -
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out -
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me.[/quote]
I’ve seen this several times, and though I see the implication of it, I don’t see how it fits with my post. Care to elaborate?
[/quote]
Heading out camping and was at work reading earlier, so not a lot of thought has gone into this or the above - it was just a reaction to “don’t care much about the plight of.” Probably knee-jerk.
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Problem is, they are coming for cissex, heteropatriarchynormativeshitlords right now, and I don´t see the LGBTwhatthefuckever community piping up…
I’m actually cynical to the point at which I don’t think the average meat head born post-1985 even knows what National Socialist Germany was about or any of the details of World War II. I really don’t think they are that intellectual or interested. Does anyone hang out in any of the fitness-oriented forums on Facebook? Ever consider the intellect and depth of the average poster? Most of us indulge a bit here with selfies and progress updates, but do you think people who are providing on-the-hour updates of their every waking moments are interested in much else? “Hey guys, here’s breakfast.” “Hey guys, I have 20 more grams of carbs and 3 grams of fat left for the day. What should I eat?” “Hey guys, there’s this person at the gym I want to speak to. How do I do that?” “Hey guys, here’s me after eating pizza.” Some of these are near verbatim of what I’ve read. I assume these are not the type of folks who empathize much or are concerned with right versus wrong in any qualifying way.
I am not an advertising executive, but I assume–perhaps wrongfully so–that a company would use symbols that hit home with a majority of people in a field or models that they would like to look or be like or whose looks they admire, especially in an image-driven niche like fitness. Considering almost no men lifting feel like a woman or want to be a woman or would look at a transvestite as a sex object, I can’t picture a transvestite’s image being the impetus to buy nutrition or fitness products. At 36 years old I don’t idolize anyone or aspire to look like someone else or so seriously admire another man’s looks.,But when I was in my teens and early 20’s I was a bit starstruck by my favorite good-looking bodybuilders (Dennis Newman, Chris Duffy, Gary Strydom, Mike Francois, and Mike O’hearn, for example) and that compelled me to buy bodybuilding magazines. (I was never a huge supplement user, but for the past few years I do love my Flameout, Finibars, and Plazma, which I use almost daily). Transvestites don’t strike this chord with sixteen to thirty-five year old men. This doesn’t mean they can’t respectfully treat one.
My feelings here, flawed as they might be. And again, I share some here because, again, I think we have some mature people here.
(And no, I don’t have a problem as a straight man recognizing who’s good looking.)