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I will never know what it’s like to be a man, or to be Chinese, or to have a great squat, or to be addicted to meth, or a million other things.

That inability to “know” everything is part of this mortal coil. Some things I’m really happy to never “know.” Put another way, I hope I never get to “know” chronic pain, or blindness, or a long list of other things.

I’m not sure where I’m going with this, except it seems kind of silly to get on a soap box about it. Part of our humanity is to try be able to see things from another point of view. That’s the basis of compassion. Sure, sometimes being a woman is a disadvantage, but I’m not sure being a man is always so great either. I have no idea what it’s like to feel conflicted about my gender, but I can hopefully have some empathy and basic kindness towards people who’s issues I don’t “know.”

That woman who went on the FB rant about Bruce Jenner seems like she’s so focused in defending her femaleness, that she’s a bit blind to the things she doesn’t “know.” She’s seems to have inflated her experience to being harder or somehow MORE than any other experience.

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[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
I will never know what it’s like to be a man, or to be Chinese, or to have a great squat, or to be addicted to meth, or a million other things.

That inability to “know” everything is part of this mortal coil. Some things I’m really happy to never “know.” Put another way, I hope I never get to “know” chronic pain, or blindness, or a long list of other things.

I’m not sure where I’m going with this, except it seems kind of silly to get on a soap box about it. Part of our humanity is to try be able to see things from another point of view. That’s the basis of compassion. Sure, sometimes being a woman is a disadvantage, but I’m not sure being a man is always so great either. I have no idea what it’s like to feel conflicted about my gender, but I can hopefully have some empathy and basic kindness towards people who’s issues I don’t “know.”

That woman who went on the FB rant about Bruce Jenner seems like she’s so focused in defending her femaleness, that she’s a bit blind to the things she doesn’t “know.” She’s seems to have inflated her experience to being harder or somehow MORE than any other experience. [/quote]

I would say that having severe psycosis about your gender is far more difficult to endure than what the average man or woman will endure. However, the same could be said about most mental disorders. However, the compassionate thing to do is not to promote further psychotic behavior.

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[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

That woman who went on the FB rant about Bruce Jenner seems like she’s so focused in defending her femaleness… [/quote]

I think this defense is warranted considering over-the-top sexual objectification of women and wannabe-women these days. There’s something special and functional about being a woman or a man, as nature intended.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

That woman who went on the FB rant about Bruce Jenner seems like she’s so focused in defending her femaleness… [/quote]

I think this defense is warranted considering over-the-top sexual objectification of women and wannabe-women these days. There’s something special and functional about being a woman or a man, as nature intended.[/quote]

It’s interesting to me that three female posters have come in expressing distaste for the way the woman went about her “defense” of womanhood and yet you still find it an appropriate representation of women.

She is, to me, the equivalent of a particularly whiny men’s right’s activist who is jealously guarding his little fief. I don’t even think she’s guarding against transgendered people, necessarily, but against all people who dare to imagine that being a woman is easy or knowable unless you are one, and have suffered.

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

That woman who went on the FB rant about Bruce Jenner seems like she’s so focused in defending her femaleness… [/quote]

I think this defense is warranted considering over-the-top sexual objectification of women and wannabe-women these days. There’s something special and functional about being a woman or a man, as nature intended.[/quote]

It’s interesting to me that three female posters have come in expressing distaste for the way the woman went about her “defense” of womanhood and yet you still find it an appropriate representation of women.

She is, to me, the equivalent of a particularly whiny men’s right’s activist who is jealously guarding his little fief. I don’t even think she’s guarding against transgendered people, necessarily, but against all people who dare to imagine that being a woman is easy or knowable unless you are one, and have suffered.

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You’re three women.

Yes, she was a bit whiny and her talk of suffering was a bit odd. She might have expressed herself in a low-brow way, but to me, her point was plausible.

Don’t get me started with MRA and MGTOW. Over maybe we can get into it and have some laughs. :slight_smile:

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
but against all people who dare to imagine that being a woman is easy or knowable unless you are one, and have suffered.

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I’m just going to come out and say, without question, being a woman is more difficult, generally speaking, than being a man.

Yes some women will have a much easier time, than some men, but painting with a broad brush, much easier being a man.

Even just trivial shit:
We have to shave much less surface area, or not at all
Makeup? lol
We can piss anyfuckingwhere and it won’t run down our leg.
Periods? I honestly and truly feel bad for women with this, that shit has to be a pain in the ass.
Hair dye, lol
eyebrows? lol again
The fact I can wear the same 3 pare of pants for 6 years and no one bats an eye, and women have 386,419 outfits…

I don’t know, I’m being flippant at this point, but I still contend, just on the pissing anywhere factor it’s easier being a man.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
but against all people who dare to imagine that being a woman is easy or knowable unless you are one, and have suffered.

[/quote]

I’m just going to come out and say, without question, being a woman is more difficult, generally speaking, than being a man.

Yes some women will have a much easier time, than some men, but painting with a broad brush, much easier being a man.

Even just trivial shit:
We have to shave much less surface area, or not at all
Makeup? lol
We can piss anyfuckingwhere and it won’t run down our leg.
Periods? I honestly and truly feel bad for women with this, that shit has to be a pain in the ass.
Hair dye, lol
eyebrows? lol again
The fact I can wear the same 3 pare of pants for 6 years and no one bats an eye, and women have 386,419 outfits…

I don’t know, I’m being flippant at this point, but I still contend, just on the pissing anywhere factor it’s easier being a man. [/quote]

I don’t necessarily disagree - not sure I agree, either, I just don’t have enough information. For example, it looks like a drag, literally, to have testicles hanging between your legs all the time. The expectation on the part of women that you will lift however much weight she can cram into a suitcase (all 386,419 outfits) and carry it all over the world along with your own smaller, lighter one seems like another giant bummer.

But it’s more that I don’t like that someone stated “here is what it is to be a woman” and then let out a territorial blast of negativity (“always with the negative waves, Moriarty”). If someone asked me what it’s like to be a woman, I cannot imagine thinking “oh, hormonal breakouts,” which many women suffer monthly (along with the also-female tendency to pick at it until it looks like you’ve got a gunshot wound to the chin).

Why not talk about what it feels like to have a man you love moving inside of you? What it feels like to know that it’s okay and welcome for that movement to become a child? What it feels like when that child kicks for the first time? How about what it feels like when the man who gave you that child is willing to support you so you can stay home and sing with it?

Why does it have to be “my tired eyes”? Why can’t it be “eyes sparkling with fun” as the man who outweighs you by more than half picks you up and tosses you on the bed while you giggle and shriek?

That’s all I’m saying.

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Why not talk about what it feels like to have a man you love moving inside of you? What it feels like to know that it’s okay and welcome for that movement to become a child? What it feels like when that child kicks for the first time? How about what it feels like when the man who gave you that child is willing to support you so you can stay home and sing with it?

Why does it have to be “my tired eyes”? [/quote]

Because all the world’s wonders in art, literature, invention came from need. It all came from a desperate place, maybe not always pain and suffering, but it came from some place where fulfillment wasn’t.

It’s the same reason people love to do drugs… Why people cry about how bad America is, even though, due to her influence, the world is a better and more prosperous place than it’s ever been in the history of human civilization. (No that doesn’t mean it’s perfect, and yes, plenty still suffer, but sheer number wise, it’s exponentially better than even 150 year ago.)

Humanity has a hard time enjoying the good parts of life without knowing, and almost celebrating the bad. Shit, some people never move out of bad town even though they have the good surrounding them.

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[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
I will never know what it’s like to be a man, or to be Chinese, or to have a great squat, or to be addicted to meth, or a million other things.

That inability to “know” everything is part of this mortal coil. Some things I’m really happy to never “know.” Put another way, I hope I never get to “know” chronic pain, or blindness, or a long list of other things.

I’m not sure where I’m going with this, except it seems kind of silly to get on a soap box about it. Part of our humanity is to try be able to see things from another point of view. That’s the basis of compassion. Sure, sometimes being a woman is a disadvantage, but I’m not sure being a man is always so great either. I have no idea what it’s like to feel conflicted about my gender, but I can hopefully have some empathy and basic kindness towards people who’s issues I don’t “know.”

That woman who went on the FB rant about Bruce Jenner seems like she’s so focused in defending her femaleness, that she’s a bit blind to the things she doesn’t “know.” She’s seems to have inflated her experience to being harder or somehow MORE than any other experience. [/quote]

I would say that having severe psycosis about your gender is far more difficult to endure than what the average man or woman will endure. However, the same could be said about most mental disorders. However, the compassionate thing to do is not to promote further psychotic behavior. [/quote]

You’re saying Klinger should have gotten a Section 8 then? I’m glad that didn’t happen because he was one of my favorite characters.

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Admit it. Klinger was kinda hot.

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We would never want to forget patriarchal suffering and all of its manifestations in the western world int he past century–child raising, running a household, cleaning, cooking, all that married and family life entails–now would we?

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
but against all people who dare to imagine that being a woman is easy or knowable unless you are one, and have suffered.

[/quote]

I’m just going to come out and say, without question, being a woman is more difficult, generally speaking, than being a man.

Yes some women will have a much easier time, than some men, but painting with a broad brush, much easier being a man.

Even just trivial shit:
We have to shave much less surface area, or not at all
Makeup? lol
We can piss anyfuckingwhere and it won’t run down our leg.
Periods? I honestly and truly feel bad for women with this, that shit has to be a pain in the ass.
Hair dye, lol
eyebrows? lol again
The fact I can wear the same 3 pare of pants for 6 years and no one bats an eye, and women have 386,419 outfits…

I don’t know, I’m being flippant at this point, but I still contend, just on the pissing anywhere factor it’s easier being a man. [/quote]

Na…

As long as you are held responsible for shit and need to pay for sex and are taxed like a motherfucker so that you have to pay even more for sex…

Na!

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[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
Admit it. Klinger was kinda hot. [/quote]

Na!

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:
We would never want to forget patriarchal suffering and all of its manifestations in the western world int he past century–child raising, running a household, cleaning, cooking, all that married and family life entails–now would we? [/quote]

Let’s assume that picture portrays the late 1940s/early 1950s. It will still be another 15 years before women are admitted to Harvard, nearly 20 before they’re admitted to Yale. They weren’t allowed to run the Boston Marathon until 1967, and it would be another 30 years before a woman served on the USSC. It would be another 50 years until we got a female Sec of State or CEO of a F50 company (Carly, coincidentally).

For every woman who didn’t think pushing out babies, wiping snotty noses, and taking care of a husband is the pinnacle of fulfillment, the suffering under patriarchy in the US was very real.

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[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
We would never want to forget patriarchal suffering and all of its manifestations in the western world int he past century–child raising, running a household, cleaning, cooking, all that married and family life entails–now would we? [/quote]

Let’s assume that picture portrays the late 1940s/early 1950s. It will still be another 15 years before women are admitted to Harvard, nearly 20 before they’re admitted to Yale. They weren’t allowed to run the Boston Marathon until 1967, and it would be another 30 years before a woman served on the USSC. It would be another 50 years until we got a female Sec of State or CEO of a F50 company (Carly, coincidentally).

For every woman who didn’t think pushing out babies, wiping snotty noses, and taking care of a husband is the pinnacle of fulfillment, the suffering under patriarchy in the US was very real.
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These women weren’t suffering, they were just wrong. Motherhood is the pinnacle of fulfillment for women because they have an insurmountable biological advantage in this task. Notable exceptions would be the father taking over full time stay at home dad duties after infancy. 2 parents working and abandoning your child to a babysitter is bad for everyone. Since women are infinitely more capable of bearing and nourishing children than men, women being the overwhelming majority of stay at home parents is a biologically motivated phenomena. Of course never marrying and never having children isn’t immoral, but the idea of the working(obviously being a mother a stay at home mother is incredibly hard work unto itself) mom in the vast majority of circumstances is bad for society.

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[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
We would never want to forget patriarchal suffering and all of its manifestations in the western world int he past century–child raising, running a household, cleaning, cooking, all that married and family life entails–now would we? [/quote]

Let’s assume that picture portrays the late 1940s/early 1950s. It will still be another 15 years before women are admitted to Harvard, nearly 20 before they’re admitted to Yale. They weren’t allowed to run the Boston Marathon until 1967, and it would be another 30 years before a woman served on the USSC. It would be another 50 years until we got a female Sec of State or CEO of a F50 company (Carly, coincidentally).

For every woman who didn’t think pushing out babies, wiping snotty noses, and taking care of a husband is the pinnacle of fulfillment, the suffering under patriarchy in the US was very real.
[/quote]

These women weren’t suffering, they were just wrong. Motherhood is the pinnacle of fulfillment for women because they have an insurmountable biological advantage in this task. Notable exceptions would be the father taking over full time stay at home dad duties after infancy. 2 parents working and abandoning your child to a babysitter is bad for everyone. Since women are infinitely more capable of bearing and nourishing children than men, women being the overwhelming majority of stay at home parents is a biologically motivated phenomena. Of course never marrying and never having children isn’t immoral, but the idea of the working(obviously being a mother a stay at home mother is incredibly hard work unto itself) mom in the vast majority of circumstances is bad for society.[/quote]

I’m going to guess that most of the moms you’ve met were on television. Many women are poor housekeepers and disinterested mothers at best. Children run feral while mother plays the Facebook game du jour.

I would say, based on my observed experience, that it shakes out similarly to the numbers found everywhere else. How many McDonald’s workers greet you with the cheery “Hi there! What would you like today?” and instead say a bored “Next?”

I will also say that having grown up in the time of working mothers, my smart, dedicated mother friends seem to have mixed reviews of work vs stay-at-home moms. Mine worked, and I felt neglected. But then, my mother chose to wait until I started kindergarten to return to work - and then worked the hours I was home (3-11). She left the family altogether when I was 12, and died when I was 21.

Friends with SAHMs often say that they felt suffocated by their bright, energetic mothers. Perhaps that would have been different back when there was more to running a household and a school, and more women were available for friendship, more opportunities for volunteer work, etc.

I’m not against staying home with kids - just the opposite, though I find it finically risky. But let’s not pretend that women are stellar mothers by nature. Many kids are better off in daycare, where at least there are structured meals and someone is likely to expose them to the ABCs.

Some dads suck, too, by the way. In case anyone is assuming they all play catch and give humorous-but-on-point talks about decency and the miracle of compound interest.