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[quote]pomofo wrote:
BarneyFife wrote:
Now that I really get to thinking about it, maybe cops should only enforce the laws that everybody agrees with! wouldn’t that be a swell idea!

Yes it would. The only just laws to enforce on a group of people are those which are assented to with unanimity. To enforce laws which do not have unanimous support is to engage in naked aggression.

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Too bad for you we live in a country where majority rules. I guess you think that since some people smoke, it should be legal in movie theaters and anywhere else people want to smoke? I bet some people would vote against laws that say you can’t steal, or beat your wife, so I guess enforcing them is naked aggression.

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[quote]Kratos wrote:
pomofo wrote:
BarneyFife wrote:
Now that I really get to thinking about it, maybe cops should only enforce the laws that everybody agrees with! wouldn’t that be a swell idea!

Yes it would. The only just laws to enforce on a group of people are those which are assented to with unanimity. To enforce laws which do not have unanimous support is to engage in naked aggression.

Too bad for you we live in a country where majority rules. I guess you think that since some people smoke, it should be legal in movie theaters and anywhere else people want to smoke? I bet some people would vote against laws that say you can’t steal, or beat your wife, so I guess enforcing them is naked aggression.[/quote]

This is two different things. I cannot always avoid having my house broken into and a wife cannot always defend herself. However, I CAN choose to not go to establishments that allow smoking. Liberty is being able to do as you wish so long as you don’t aggress upon others; it is not anarchy.

Besides, if people really had a problem with smoking in PRIVATE businesses then they would have avoided these places on their own. Instead, a minority of people are appalled by this, causing a vote, which typically has a low turnout, that turnout being people who want the law since they came up with it in the first place. This is why we have a bill of rights in the first place.

It is vitally important to remember that just because a law is democratically voted upon does not make it just. I no longer recall who said it, but it is summed up best as, “Democracy is two wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed sheep questioning the vote.”

Mike

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[quote]BarneyFife wrote:

I also beleive that what I am doing is right. Everyday that I go to work, I feel happy that I am doing my little part to uphold the laws that our elected officials passed. Every night when I go home, I feel great about the part that I did. I feel VERY good about myself, and I absolutely love my job.[/quote]

If enforcing laws that tread on our rights is something you believe in and you feel good about, then you are a very dangerous person. [quote]

Almost all of my friends are drinkers, and a handful smoke pot. I don’t report them, I only do what I am payed to do, [/quote]

Therefore, you are nothing more than a mercenary, or perhaps a prostitute.[quote]

If I can look myself in the mirror and feel good about myself, then I really don’t need to continue defending my occupation to you all. I am happ[y with myself, I am getting expereince, and I am doing my part to enforce the law.[/quote]

You’re absolutely right. And I sleep well every night knowing that our founding fathers knew your types existed and gave us the second amendment. Semper Fi

Mike

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[quote]pbody03 wrote:
Drunk drivers deserve no mercy, but if you care to check the stats I think you find that most are age of majority and not drunk minors. Let’s not mix issues.[/quote]

Mixing issues? This young man has made an inquiry about what college classes would better prepare him in his chosen profession and we’ve gone from that to the ghetto value system to the oppressiveness of seatbelt laws and alcohol regulation to the original intent of the Founding Fathers, Harriet Tubman, Randy Weaver and David Korresh. I think we should talk about how much protein we need while we’re at it. I hope the Cowboys go to the Super Bowl too! T-Nation is fun!!

I’m sure you are correct, but I’d point that underage drinkers, say age 15 to 20, are a much smaller percentage of the population than say drunk drivers age 21 to say 65.

Have a good day!

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[quote]KBCThird wrote:
its already been mentioned, but dont try to confuse the issue by bringing in drunk driving. Police resources OUGHT to be focused on drunk drivers, not catching people selling to underage kids.

and really, what was it that the founding fathers rebelled against. They didnt WANT representation in the english govt - they may’ve said they did, but what they wanted was not to be taxed. As always, it’s all about the $$$

my feelings on the executive branch? that it has overstepped its bounds from time to time - sometimes by a great deal.

what this thread is about is whether a law is Right With a Capital R just because it is a law.

i dont know why im debating this with a guy who is so blindly obedient that he has already posted that he woulda “slapped the handcuffs on” or prosecuted harriet tubman.

You would’ve been one of those guys at nuremburg indgnantly stating that you were only following orders.[/quote]

Actually the issue of the thread was what would be a good major for a young man interested in federal law enforcement.

I suspect the Founding Fathers wanted something more than freedom from taxes, something like religious freedom maybe?

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[quote]t officer wrote:
BarneyFife wrote:
If I can swing things right, then I will have my bachelors when the spring of 07 ends. At least I hope so. That puts me at a month shy of twenty, and I can’t become a certified law enforcment officer until I am 21. That gives me a year, so I am going to get a job at the prison here in topeka until I hit 21.

I So, I want to give myself on all the other Puddin` Heads coming out of college with a bachelors in Criminal Justice. I was wondering if some of the policemen on here would reccomend a good masters or a good second bachelors to work on for someone who aspires to become a federal law enforcement officer. To some, it may seem like the answer is just to get a masters in criminal justice, but I have heard that it doesn’t help you if you have already got a bachelors in Criminal Justice.

This is what I would do but not sure if it’s something you’d be interested in. I’d go for a masters in education. I’d like to teach when I retire. I really look up to some of the instructors that are contracted at my academy during in-service.

There’s one in particular who was a Chicago Police Officer (best around IMO) for 34 years. Did 7 in patrol, 11 in bomb and arson and the rest of his career as a detective and retired as a detective sgt. He had been teaching part time for his last 12 years of his career.

Again, this is something that would seem nice for me to do. I think if someone is teaching me about law enforcement it should be a guy that’s worked for a big city dept not someone who hasn’t put their life on the line. [/quote]

Good point!!!
Sooner or later you’re going to get sick of bad weather, funky shifts/days off etc. Most places have some type of training academy. Day shift/weekends/holidays/no more crackheads sounds better n better. Also, remember the feds make you retire at 57. If you go local, a lot of agencies, atleast around here, have way better retirements than salaries so in effect once you’ve been there so long you’ve basically topped out professionally and you are better off retiring to get that money. Anyway good luck!!

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Mike,

You’ve been in the military, marines I presume? First of all thank you for your service. If it weren’t for the freedoms you guys have protected we wouldn’t be having this discussion. One or both of our opinions would be silenced by an oppressive government.

Back to your military service. Did you not have a command/rank structure? Did you have policy and procedures, general orders, rules of engagement, and daily orders from higher raking personnel? Did you agree with all of them? Did you not follow the rules or orders you didn’t agree with?

What happened at Ruby Ridge and Waco pisses me off too but what am I to do about it? Heck Waco is only about 90 minutes south of me, I was there about a month ago. Should I take up arms and start a revolution?

You keep referring to the second amendment everytime the subject of a law you don’t agree with comes up. That’s kinda scary considering the thread was originally referring to a low level misdemeanor. Are you going to start shooting people over our jacked up alcohol laws? I realize we’re talking about principal but don’t you have to pick your fights?

I gotta get on the cardio machine, have a good one!

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Hey barney, in all honesty I glanced over most of the responses but I am curious as to what your states police force recommends in the way of eduction? Start from there. Here in Canada, at least Ontario but probably all, to get on the force “requires” an education but nothing so specific as a BA in criminology, etc. It’s what you do with yourself after college.

Do you volunteer? With children? In your community? Do you give blood? What awards/citations have you received. The schooling is fine but a show of your character and ethics/values is the intangible you need to be able to represent.

If you want to further your education while you are waiting to get older that’s great. You will have time to learn on your own once you are on the force as well though.

And as for all who think you are a snitch, etc. and say that you deserve “stitches for snitches” well, that’s just the type of white boy wannabe gansta who never amount to much and bog down the court system and their revolving door policies.

Best of luck in your future endeavours in Law Enforcement.

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Give 'em hell Barney.

Fuck these goddamned canadians and austrians that have IQ’s slightly lower than their shoe size. How hard is it to understand that the law is to card? How else does one enforce this law without sending in undercover folks to have it tested? Fucking foreign damn morons.

You are 19 and getting a college degree, and lookiing to add another in the next year or so. Kudo’s.

I’d say go the accounting route - but I am a little biased.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Give 'em hell Barney.

Fuck these goddamned canadians and austrians that have IQ’s slightly lower than their shoe size. How hard is it to understand that the law is to card? How else does one enforce this law without sending in undercover folks to have it tested? Fucking foreign damn morons.
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And remember that when they knock on your door, Mr. " I?ve been on roids one year straight and yet I have no idea what these crazy foreigners talk about".

The law is the law remember?

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Give 'em hell Barney.

Fuck these goddamned canadians and austrians that have IQ’s slightly lower than their shoe size. How hard is it to understand that the law is to card? How else does one enforce this law without sending in undercover folks to have it tested? Fucking foreign damn morons.

You are 19 and getting a college degree, and lookiing to add another in the next year or so. Kudo’s.

I’d say go the accounting route - but I am a little biased. [/quote]

Well us Candaians and Australians can’t be a smart as you Rainjack, I mean whoever doesn’t agree with you is stoopid right? Speaking of morons how about the US Air Force killing Canadian soldiers for the second time? Talk about low IQ. Guess that means all Americans are idiots, eh Rainjack?

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[quote]Spike9726 wrote:
Mike,

You’ve been in the military, marines I presume? First of all thank you for your service. If it weren’t for the freedoms you guys have protected we wouldn’t be having this discussion. One or both of our opinions would be silenced by an oppressive government.

Back to your military service. Did you not have a command/rank structure? Did you have policy and procedures, general orders, rules of engagement, and daily orders from higher raking personnel? Did you agree with all of them? Did you not follow the rules or orders you didn’t agree with? [/quote]

Good point. In the end though, a military man takes an oath to uphold the constitution of the United States. At no point in time would I violate that oath. Sometimes this means going against the orders given to you.

This is why those National Guard troops seizing guns during Katrina should be court-martialed. There were plenty of orders I didn’t like, but there is a difference between following orders and violating rights, something I would refuse to do. [quote]

What happened at Ruby Ridge and Waco pisses me off too but what am I to do about it? Heck Waco is only about 90 minutes south of me, I was there about a month ago. Should I take up arms and start a revolution?

You keep referring to the second amendment everytime the subject of a law you don’t agree with comes up. That’s kinda scary considering the thread was originally referring to a low level misdemeanor. Are you going to start shooting people over our jacked up alcohol laws? I realize we’re talking about principal but don’t you have to pick your fights?[/quote]

No, of course I am not advocating a revolution. I believe we can save this country peacefully. I am merely stating that the right to keep and bear arms is not there to help me against criminals; it was there to protect me against an oppressive government. We are a long way from needing to start shooting the bastards, but it might not be a bad idea for good Americans to hit the range from time to time for when that day does come if it hits in our lifetime.

It has been said that the price of freedom is eternal vigiliance. Actually Ronald Reagon said it best, “Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.” Odds are we aren’t going to march lockstep into tyranny, but rather complacently slide there, the whole while telling ourselves that we can’t complain because we aren’t as bad as ______.

I get rather riled up obviously when I see people pissing our country away, but I am a remarkably peaceful guy. I’ve been in lots of fights in my life and a few wars and I really really hate violence. It’s all fun and games when I used to box or when I used to train in the corps, but it loses its cool when it’s for real.

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I gotta get on the cardio machine, have a good one![/quote]

Good points, guys like you make the forum educational.

Mike

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Anybody remember the CSI where this 19 year old girl was in a club, and she was actually there to report guys who bought her drinks illegally, and this kind of shy guy tried to pick her up and buy her a drink, but she said no, and it was really because she liked him and didn’t want him to get in trouble, but he took it as a rejection and killed her?

Yeah, that was awesome, except for the whole CSI thing.

I’m sorry, were we discussing something?

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Give 'em hell Barney.

Fuck these goddamned canadians and austrians that have IQ’s slightly lower than their shoe size. How hard is it to understand that the law is to card? How else does one enforce this law without sending in undercover folks to have it tested? Fucking foreign damn morons.

You are 19 and getting a college degree, and lookiing to add another in the next year or so. Kudo’s. [/quote]

I know! That is rather impressive. It’s also why I really want to like this guy. A motived guy like Fife with his priorities a little more in line could be a great asset to his country.

Mike

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[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
Bootsie wrote:
Spike9726 wrote:
Again, if you don’t agree with these laws, you have recourse through the political and judicial process.

Not only that, im sick of people whining and bitching about laws in this country and wanting to revolt. You think the laws and cops here suck so much, then you can move to another country. But youd only be so lucky to live in another country where you can say half of the things said here, about their government and not have to worry about being executed for it.

Sir, don’t tell me about how life is outside of this land. I have actually fought for freedom and made it through 2 wars. But as I said earlier you think that being a slave is okay so long as they don’t make the shackles too tight. The U.S. is one of the last bastions of freedom left in the world.

Freedom’s enemies, both foreign and domestic must be battled every time they poke their heads up be it a genocidal despot across the ocean or a million minor socialists in our own country trying to push a new “law” upon us that infringes on our life liberty and pursuit of happiness.

Mike[/quote]

First, let me thankyou for your service to this country. Its truly appreciated. Second, i’m simply saying that if having to wear a seatbelt, or wait till im 21 to drink or any other stupid little things like that are the “laws” that are being pushed on us; i think its just a small price to pay for the many other, larger freedoms we are afforded each day.

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[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Give 'em hell Barney.

Fuck these goddamned canadians and austrians that have IQ’s slightly lower than their shoe size. How hard is it to understand that the law is to card? How else does one enforce this law without sending in undercover folks to have it tested? Fucking foreign damn morons.

You are 19 and getting a college degree, and lookiing to add another in the next year or so. Kudo’s.

I know! That is rather impressive. It’s also why I really want to like this guy. A motived guy like Fife with his priorities a little more in line could be a great asset to his country.

Mike
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couldnt agree more. I think once u get in whatever agency u go to, youll get ur priorities straightened out.

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[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
I know! That is rather impressive. It’s also why I really want to like this guy. A motived guy like Fife with his priorities a little more in line could be a great asset to his country.

Mike
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Nothing wrong with his priorities. None at all. In fact - most 19 year-olds would do well to find something they are this passionate about.

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[quote]pbody03 wrote:
Well us Candaians and Australians can’t be a smart as you Rainjack, I mean whoever doesn’t agree with you is stoopid right? Speaking of morons how about the US Air Force killing Canadian soldiers for the second time? Talk about low IQ. Guess that means all Americans are idiots, eh Rainjack? [/quote]

No you can’t be as smart as me. Ask around.

And at the very least I can say that I am not Canadian. Especially if you are a representative citizen.

I think you could get your ass kicked for being such a pussy if you were from Texas.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
I know! That is rather impressive. It’s also why I really want to like this guy. A motived guy like Fife with his priorities a little more in line could be a great asset to his country.

Mike

Nothing wrong with his priorities. None at all. In fact - most 19 year-olds would do well to find something they are this passionate about. [/quote]

Yup is all about passion, we had hundreds of thousands of them…

And disciplined! And well behaved! Most of them had no problems ratting out their own parents!

Last but not least they looked sooo cute in those uniforms…

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But why stop at boys? Girls can be indoctrinated too, just get them when their young enough…