Master Thief Caught at Supermarket

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[quote]nephorm wrote:
Fullback33 wrote:
btw neph, maybe you have heard about how america imprisoned japanese people in america, for being japanese, IN AMERICA?

I have. I am also aware of the eugenics movement that thrived in America, and that the illustrious Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes felt no qualms about forced sterilization.

I am, however, unaware of any genocides committed by the United States, much less against her own citizens. But that is neither here nor there.

I never maintained that the United States had an unblemished record, nor have I argued that abuses of power are impossible in our system.

Rather, Schwarzfahrer took on that burden. So to point fingers at me and scream that “America isn’t perfect!” is a non sequitur. [/quote]

And the main point remains, stuff like that does not happen in Germany.

You also get not tazed when you do not sign a ticket a cop gives you, you are not arrested when you leave your kids in the car for 2 minutes.

It does not happen. Period.

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[quote]nephorm wrote:
Fullback33 wrote:
btw neph, maybe you have heard about how america imprisoned japanese people in america, for being japanese, IN AMERICA?

I have. I am also aware of the eugenics movement that thrived in America, and that the illustrious Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes felt no qualms about forced sterilization.

I am, however, unaware of any genocides committed by the United States, much less against her own citizens. But that is neither here nor there.

I never maintained that the United States had an unblemished record, nor have I argued that abuses of power are impossible in our system.

Rather, Schwarzfahrer took on that burden. So to point fingers at me and scream that “America isn’t perfect!” is a non sequitur. [/quote]

I have to be honest, you’re raping.

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Plenty of insane bollocks happen in Germany, …not necessarily with regard to shoplifting perhaps, but…suddenly…

This thread is making me want to play…Germany or Florida!

There is a test to see if you can figure out how adept you are at choosing between the two, might make you rethink your ‘only in America’ attitudes.

http://www.okcupid.com/tests/take

This one was funny:

In an attempt to force himself into a healthy routine of exercise, a man hired a hit man to kill him if he failed to show up to any of his 3 weekly workouts for the past 5 years.

"At first I thought the ridiculous membership fees and that ludicrous up front joining fee would make me workout so I wouldn’t waste the money - but that didn’t work. Within weeks I was coming up with all sorts of lame pathetic excuses not to go. So I decided that if money wouldn’t promote me to go, losing my life would. The hit man idea has worked like a charm, maybe even too good.

There were some times that I truly would have preferred not to go, like that time I had bronchial asthmatic pneumonia. I’ve never had so much dark green mucus running down my face in my life, you should have seen that treadmill afterwards. But with all its ups and downs, my only complaint lately is that what I originally thought were expensive gym fees have been over shadowed by the high cost of the hit man.

Now that I want to stop, I can’t because I told him to shoot me if I told him I wanted to give up."

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[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:
Now that I want to stop, I can’t because I told him to shoot me if I told him I wanted to give up."[/quote]

totally fake, right?

…right?

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[quote]orion wrote:
nephorm wrote:
Fullback33 wrote:
btw neph, maybe you have heard about how america imprisoned japanese people in america, for being japanese, IN AMERICA?

I have. I am also aware of the eugenics movement that thrived in America, and that the illustrious Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes felt no qualms about forced sterilization.

I am, however, unaware of any genocides committed by the United States, much less against her own citizens. But that is neither here nor there.

I never maintained that the United States had an unblemished record, nor have I argued that abuses of power are impossible in our system.

Rather, Schwarzfahrer took on that burden. So to point fingers at me and scream that “America isn’t perfect!” is a non sequitur.

And the main point remains, stuff like that does not happen in Germany.

You also get not tazed when you do not sign a ticket a cop gives you, you are not arrested when you leave your kids in the car for 2 minutes.

It does not happen. Period.

[/quote]

Nonesense. You are delusional.

Non-Lethal weapons. Preventive imprisonment. Abuse of minorities. Police brutality. All are well known features of the German Police. Germany isn’t utopia and the police have the same problems in every developed nation and deal with them basically the same way.

Do you actually live in Europe?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/europe/amnesty-accuses-german-police-of-brutality-against-foreigners-573212.html

http://migration.ucdavis.edu/mn/more.php?id=667_0_4_0

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/europe/news/article_1315252.php/German_police_defend_detention_of_1057_at_G8__Extra_

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Molotov_Coktease wrote:
Now that I want to stop, I can’t because I told him to shoot me if I told him I wanted to give up."

totally fake, right?

…right?[/quote]

Nope, it’s real. You are supposed to guess whether it happened in Germany or Florida …it’s one of the stories from the quiz.

Man Never Misses Trip To Gym For 5 Years
July 29, 2002 - Florida, USA

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[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Molotov_Coktease wrote:
Now that I want to stop, I can’t because I told him to shoot me if I told him I wanted to give up."

totally fake, right?

…right?

Nope, it’s real. You are supposed to guess whether it happened in Germany or Florida …it’s one of the stories from the quiz.

Man Never Misses Trip To Gym For 5 Years
July 29, 2002 - Florida, USA

[/quote]

Having all my relatives live in FL I know precisely how fucked up that state is but that is just plain nuts.

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Thanks Hedo, you made me laugh today.

As to your links, they are mostly garbage, especially “freedom magazine”.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Thanks Hedo, you made me laugh today.

As to your links, they are mostly garbage, especially “freedom magazine”.
[/quote]

Tell that to this guy from the Amnesty link.

Germany: New report into police ill-treatment and excessive use of force
Posted: 14 January 2004

The report includes allegations
of officers punching, kicking and beating detainees, in one case allegedly
kneeling on the head of a 62-year-old man and breaking his nose against
the floor.

The report highlights the case of 31-year-old Stephan Neisus, who died in
hospital in May 2002 after being beaten and kicked by police officers at
Cologne’s First Police Inspectorate 13 days earlier. Stephan’s mother
described the treatment her son received when he was arrested at their
home:

Or these guys:
Amnesty accuses German police of brutality against foreigners

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Change font size: A | A | ABy Tony Paterson in Berlin
Thursday, 15 January 2004

The German police have been accused of ill treating scores of mainly foreign citizens and using disproportionate violence against those they detained in a report published yesterday by the human rights organisation Amnesty International.

The German police have been accused of ill treating scores of mainly foreign citizens and using disproportionate violence against those they detained in a report published yesterday by the human rights organisation Amnesty International.

The 77-page document, entitled “Back in the spotlight - allegations of police ill-treatment and excessive use of force in Germany”, highlighted 20 cases of police brutality investigated by the organisation over the past two years.

The report cited at least 12 cases of detainees being punched, kicked and racially abused by police, one incident in which a man died in hospital as a result of a beating sustained in custody, and several cases of unarmed individuals being shot dead by police.

Barbara Lochbihler, the general secretary of Amnesty’s German branch, said: “The 20 cases were those specifically investigated, but there were many other incidents drawn to our attention. A significant proportion of allegations have continued to come from foreign nationals and members of ethnic minorities in Germany.”

Amnesty singled out Germany for failing to set up an independent complaints body to monitor cases of police violence. It criticised the country’s legal authorities for habitually investigating such incidents in a “reluctant and at times partisan” fashion, and noted that the standard reaction of police to complaints against them was to bring legal action against the complainant.

It seems Germany doesn’t like to take complaints or record the instances of abuse so in Schwarz’s mind it must not be happening.

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Schwarz and Orion,

How can you guys honestly believe that there is no police abuse in Germany?

That’s about as ignorant a statement as Ahmedinejad saying there are no gays in Iran.

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[quote]tedro wrote:
Intentional or not, it was obviously theft. [/quote]

Whether it was intentional goes directly to whether it was theft. “Actus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea”, the act does not make a person guilty unless the mind is also guilty.

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Well, it is hard to imagine such thing happen in Germany. But then again, I wouldn’t have thought it happens in the US either. So two things should be considered here to understand Schwarz’s comment: 1) The German police doesn’t deal with the violence the American cops do, 2) Property seems a lot more sacred in the US, and the wealthier you are, the more chances the cops and judicial system will side with you. Something that is not as obvious in Europe. At least, not yet…

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And Neph, that cheap shot about ethnicity was totally uncalled for. We’ve come to expect more from you than that. Leave the Nazi references to RJ, HH and the others.

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Why do you guys hate my german freedom so much?

Tgunslinger: nobody implied there is no abuse at all. Sweet Satan, can nobody read between the lines today anymore?
In this very forum, you see threads upon threads where for example guys getting their asses tasered for bullshit invoke little to no disgust.
Some guy posts about a man who has to sit behind bars for a period of time because he forgot a soda case underneath his cart.
And if I raise my voice in that thread It must be okay to show how awful I do find that.
But no, apperently the anti freedom league must chime in:
“Ahm… Hitler anyone?”
"look up this bullshit link in (sic) “freedom magazine” "
“Ahmedinejad, is that you?”

Germany is not the US, a discussion which nation might be freer is nonsense (although both parties here have a favorite, I guess).
But our policemen are 16 year old emos compared to your guys- for what it’s worth.

If our policeman were so tasertriggerhappy like yours or so quick with their cell-keys, they’d get into big trouble, along with their superiors.

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[quote]Petedacook wrote:
theft is normally a specific intent crime. From memory the crim is: The taking of the personal property of another with the intent of permanently depriving the owner of it’s use.

In this case it would seem difficult to prove intent. [/quote]

“The state of a man’s mind is as much a fact as the state of his digestion,” Edgington v. Fitzmaurice (1885), 29 Ch.D. 459, 493. The fact that he paid $157 for a cart full of groceries strongly suggests that he had no intent to deprive the store of the value of a $4 case of soda.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Why do you guys hate my german freedom so much?

Tgunslinger: nobody implied there is no abuse at all. Sweet Satan, can nobody read between the lines today anymore?
In this very forum, you see threads upon threads where for example guys getting their asses tasered for bullshit invoke little to no disgust.
Some guy posts about a man who has to sit behind bars for a period of time because he forgot a soda case underneath his cart.
And if I raise my voice in that thread It must be okay to show how awful I do find that.
But no, apperently the anti freedom league must chime in:
“Ahm… Hitler anyone?”
"look up this bullshit link in (sic) “freedom magazine” "
“Ahmedinejad, is that you?”

Germany is not the US, a discussion which nation might be freer is nonsense (although both parties here have a favorite, I guess).
But our policemen are 16 year old emos compared to your guys- for what it’s worth.

If our policeman were so tasertriggerhappy like yours or so quick with their cell-keys, they’d get into big trouble, along with their superiors. [/quote]

Did you read the links? It seems Germany covers up their police brutality while the US puts it on the front page.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Why do you guys hate my german freedom so much?

Tgunslinger: nobody implied there is no abuse at all. Sweet Satan, can nobody read between the lines today anymore?
In this very forum, you see threads upon threads where for example guys getting their asses tasered for bullshit invoke little to no disgust.
Some guy posts about a man who has to sit behind bars for a period of time because he forgot a soda case underneath his cart.
And if I raise my voice in that thread It must be okay to show how awful I do find that.
But no, apperently the anti freedom league must chime in:
“Ahm… Hitler anyone?”
"look up this bullshit link in (sic) “freedom magazine” "
“Ahmedinejad, is that you?”

Germany is not the US, a discussion which nation might be freer is nonsense (although both parties here have a favorite, I guess).
But our policemen are 16 year old emos compared to your guys- for what it’s worth.

If our policeman were so tasertriggerhappy like yours or so quick with their cell-keys, they’d get into big trouble, along with their superiors. [/quote]

Stop your fucking whining. You made a dumb-ass statement. Deal with it.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Why do you guys hate my german freedom so much?

Tgunslinger: nobody implied there is no abuse at all. Sweet Satan, can nobody read between the lines today anymore?
In this very forum, you see threads upon threads where for example guys getting their asses tasered for bullshit invoke little to no disgust.
Some guy posts about a man who has to sit behind bars for a period of time because he forgot a soda case underneath his cart.
And if I raise my voice in that thread It must be okay to show how awful I do find that.
But no, apperently the anti freedom league must chime in:
“Ahm… Hitler anyone?”
"look up this bullshit link in (sic) “freedom magazine” "
“Ahmedinejad, is that you?”

Germany is not the US, a discussion which nation might be freer is nonsense (although both parties here have a favorite, I guess).
But our policemen are 16 year old emos compared to your guys- for what it’s worth.

If our policeman were so tasertriggerhappy like yours or so quick with their cell-keys, they’d get into big trouble, along with their superiors. [/quote]

Schwarz, you wrote

Why don’t you just admit that you stuck your foot in your mouth and move on down the road.

What appears to have “happened” in this story (without having heard the other side of the story, of course) was a dopey cop making a poor judgment call. It is possible for that to happen in Germany. It’s possible for it happen on every nation on the planet that uses a human police force.

You made a dumb statement, and we’re busting your balls for it. We will continue to do so until you admit that it was a dumb statement or we get bored with it, whichever comes first.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
And Neph, that cheap shot about ethnicity was totally uncalled for. We’ve come to expect more from you than that. Leave the Nazi references to RJ, HH and the others.[/quote]

Vienna was one of the most liberal cities in Europe prior to the Nazis. Yet, the Nazis still abused their authority in Vienna. It is simply silly to say that any country or regime is immune to poor judgment or outright malice on the part of those who have power. When one makes such a statement, one ought to expect scrutiny; is what he said true? Has it always been true? Will it always be, and if so, how do we know that? Virtually every country has examples that we may choose. Schwarzfahrer just happens to be German. And honestly, I had originally intended to finish with my first statement, because I thought it might be possible that he was being intentionally ironic.

Anyone making the argument would probably say the same thing, but I think this example is justified. But if it makes you feel any better, whichever country he (or another) had chosen, I would have done my utmost to produce as extreme a counter-example as I could find.

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[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
Schwarz and Orion,

How can you guys honestly believe that there is no police abuse in Germany?

[/quote]

Sure there is police abuse in germany but in United States that shit is not police abuse it’s just perfectly legal…