Massive Eating Questions

Nutrition
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I’ve been a super fan of T-Nation for nearly 2 of my past 18 years.
Although I’ve been reading the articles here for a while now, I somehow skipped the Massvie Eating articles (oops).

No matter, because I have just finished ‘inundating’ myself with the articles.

I’ve come to this final conclusion…

Final Calorie Intake= 5708cals

6 meals per day: 951 per meal
8 meals per day: 713 per meal

Total protein intake:345g
Protein Per Meal (6): 58g
Protein Per Meal (8): 43g

Total carbs intake: 276g
Carbs Per Meal (3): 92g
Carbs Per Meal (4): 69g

Total fat intake: 115g
Fat Per Meal (3): 38g
Fat Per Meal (4): 29g

Meal 1: P+F
Meal 2: P+F
Meal 3: P+F
Meal 4: P+CHour before workout
Meal 5: P+C Post workout
Meal 6: P+C

OR

Meal 1: P+F
Meal 2: P+F
Meal 3: P+F
Meal 4: P+F
Meal 5: P+C hour before wourkout
Meal 6: P+Cpost workout
Meal 7: P+C
Meal 8: P+C

Granted I haven’t decided on my eating habits yet, but this is due to me getting a new working shcedule soon (along with a new job).

my food sources are:

Oats
Turkey breastisisisis
Spinach
Fruits
Mixed Veg
White pasta (how comez thier’s no ‘black’ huh?)
Peanuts
organic yogurt
Cottage cheese
Peanut butter
Eggs
Olive oil
Beef
supplements (the standards, GROW!, vitamns and fish oils)

But my problem is actually making my food plan itself.
i have no problem making liquid meals (atleast 2) during the day (one for post workout).

my problem is far is getting the right micronutrients with calorie intake.
i either get the right daily protein, cars and fat ratio, but less overall calorie. but full daily calorie intake but not enough macronutrient intake.

this becomes more difficult with the foods that have no accurate nutrient labels (as fresh veg and meat).

Can anyone help me with this? I can understand if you don’t have enough time to make me one (that is not what i want, but i wouldn’t mind :wink: ). but just help where you can.

also, does anyone know if a bag (as in 200g)of peanuts counts as a meal? something tells me they burn up way too quick, they don’t fill me up and i’m pretty sure they have incomplete proteins.

P.s: if anyone know of any other food sources,please state.

thank you.

2

I’m too lazy to make you a food plan, but if you need nutritional data you’ll find it here…

http://www.nal.usda.gov/...oodcomp/search/

3

Your P+F and P+C meals are backwards. You should be taking your P+C meals early in the day but your P+F meals later in the day. The postworkout meal being the exception.

4

Scottish:

The dispersement of meals is not so cut and dry.

It really depends on a) goals b) what kind of “phase” of training you are in and b) what time of day you do your resistance training and/or aerobics.

Tampa T has the expertise in this area. Maybe she can provide some imput.

Mufasa

5

Point taken Mufasa. My way is not always the best way :slight_smile:

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[quote]vroom wrote:
I’m too lazy to make you a food plan, but if you need nutritional data you’ll find it here…

http://www.nal.usda.gov/...oodcomp/search/ [/quote]

its says ‘URL cannot be found’.

damn, oh well. thank you everyone for your help.

7

Oops, will try again…

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/

8

Have your C+P meals before and after working out. Since carbs are recommended in the morning, working out in the morning makes the whole deal a heck of a lot easier since you can then have your P+F meals in the afternoon. Guess you’ll just have to quit work, eh? :slight_smile:

Even if you do work out in the afternoon, many people seem to recommend an additional C+P meal in the morning to replenish glycogen stores in the morning.

9

I would say throw in a P+C meal for breakfast to give you energy for the day. In terms of macronutrients values if thats what you want, try:

http://fitday.com/

It helps calculate meals’ macronutrients and calories.

10

[quote]Scottish 190 wrote:
Your P+F and P+C meals are backwards. You should be taking your P+C meals early in the day but your P+F meals later in the day. The postworkout meal being the exception.[/quote]

and for omega’s original question, based on john berardi’s recommendations omega is basically eating correctly to minimize fat accumulation by eating lower carbs (during the day) when the body doesn’t need them. then eating the P+C meals in the anabolic phase after training. omega has to be careful here though - if he doesn’t get enough carbs after his workout in his 2 or 3 P+C meals and then goes lower carb the next day, his recovery will suffer, ultimately not building much muscle, but not getting fat either. my point is, if omega is going for the anabolic kick while watching his waste-line he is correct.

where i differ here though, is that no matter how many carbs i had in my anablic phase after my w/o, i feel like total ass if i go too low on carbs during the next day. we each can tolerate different nutrient pairings differently. but, if omega (or anyone) is like me and can’t tolerate low-carbs all day, i have to just eat my 5 meals of 600 cals, comprised of low-GI carbs, lot’s of protein, and lower fat all the time. lower fat being around 20% of my cals total and eating a few higher-GI carbs in the anabolic PWO phase.

TopSirloin

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thenk you everyone.

i am applying everyone’s concept into my meal plan.
top sirloin, i do hate being on a low carb diet, as i always feel like shit.
i will plan on eating a P+C meal in the morning and analyze the rest of my daily meals.

thanks everyone.

this is why i love this site.